Donor gives $30k for alcohol enforcement

Donor gives $30k for alcohol enforcement

There are 24 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Oct 9, 2007, titled Donor gives $30k for alcohol enforcement. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

Thanks to a $30,000 gift, the Hamilton County prosecutor can stop fretting over the future of the county's Fatal Alcohol Crash Team - at least for now.

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Pork

AOL

#1 Oct 9, 2007
"The Hamilton County unit has a 100-percent conviction rate." Is that like 2 for 2? Seems like a waste of money. At least now it's not tax money.
Tommy G

AOL

#2 Oct 9, 2007
Where was FACT when the idiot COP in Muncie crashed his patrol car with three Ball State students inside while driving on Muncie city streets at 80 mph? As many have previously emphasized, if that had been some ordinary citizen they would have been examined more closely on the spot.
questions

Leesburg, FL

#3 Oct 9, 2007
wow
blady02

Houston, TX

#4 Oct 9, 2007
They need this service in these small communities, believe me I lived there and with the cold weather & snow, there are many many alcoholics and consistent drunk drivers on those small town streets. They have nothing better to do so they drink from 5 til whenever! Save your children and friends from these morons support the alcohol enforcement!
resident

Lebanon, IN

#5 Oct 9, 2007
Pork, your name fits!

Tommy G, Municie is not in Hamilton County, try harder next time.

It is too bad that the county commissioners can not do the job that they were elected to do. I can't imagine why we need an interest in an airport in Boone county, are we planning a annexation?

Hamilton County is growing and drinking and driving is a growing problem, not only with underage age drinkers but with adults too. If $ 30,000.00 dollars a year helps put one person behind bars or holds one person accountable for a fatal accident, I support it.

What life isn't worth 30K or 500K.

We need elected officials that are pro-active in and for the future of our communities and we need to eliminate the self-centered, home boys and girls and get the right people for the people in the right places. We need more of the little people who do the work and less of the stuffy " I am better than you" that we now have running Hamilton County.

This includes the people in positions that don't support the people who aren't paid squat for doing jobs that other's won't.

Congrats Joel, we need you.
sweeeeet

Noblesville, IN

#6 Oct 9, 2007
How can they have a 100% conviction rate when there were fatalities? Are they convicting the dead?
BUD

Ellettsville, IN

#7 Oct 9, 2007
resident wrote:
Pork, your name fits!
Tommy G, Municie is not in Hamilton County, try harder next time.
It is too bad that the county commissioners can not do the job that they were elected to do. I can't imagine why we need an interest in an airport in Boone county, are we planning a annexation?
Hamilton County is growing and drinking and driving is a growing problem, not only with underage age drinkers but with adults too. If $ 30,000.00 dollars a year helps put one person behind bars or holds one person accountable for a fatal accident, I support it.
What life isn't worth 30K or 500K.
We need elected officials that are pro-active in and for the future of our communities and we need to eliminate the self-centered, home boys and girls and get the right people for the people in the right places. We need more of the little people who do the work and less of the stuffy " I am better than you" that we now have running Hamilton County.
This includes the people in positions that don't support the people who aren't paid squat for doing jobs that other's won't.
Congrats Joel, we need you.
AND WHAT JOBS ARE YOU SPEAKING OF?
Interested

Carmel, IN

#10 Oct 9, 2007
sweeeeet wrote:
How can they have a 100% conviction rate when there were fatalities? Are they convicting the dead?
Wow, there is a lot of people that do not nderstand this issue. 100% of those charged (ie: living and drinking connected to the crash) have been convicted.
"2 of 2"? How many would be enough for you to justify $$$ to ensure proper, fair, and comlete prosecution of these cases. Keep in mind these people either seriously injure or kill innocent drivers. The true number for FACT cases last year was 8 for 8. We are frtunate there is not more in this County.
If it were one of your friends or family wouldnt you want specializxed trained Officers investigating the case?
Congrats FACT and keep up the good work!
Actuary

AOL

#11 Oct 9, 2007
resident wrote:
What life isn't worth 30K or 500K.
We have you assessed at 19K. Sorry.
Tired of drunks

Fishers, IN

#12 Oct 9, 2007
Come sit in a courtroom on any given day and see just how many drunk drivers are on the roads in Hamilton County. When the Hamilton County Council finally acknowledges there's a drunk driving problem in this county, I hope it's not at the expense of any members of their families. Of course, if they're some of those drunk drivers, no wonder they don't support the FACT group. Nothing but good can come from this program--why would anyone not support it? It's way past the time to get serious about drunk driving in this state.
Typical Skewed Number

United States

#13 Oct 9, 2007
sweeeeet wrote:
How can they have a 100% conviction rate when there were fatalities? Are they convicting the dead?
Oh your from Wisconsin. You wouldn't understand how we can twist numbers around down here to show any result we want.

How about $30,000 for prevention? No, that makes too much sense, let's wait until an accident happens and then investigate it thoroughly instead of trying to prevent it.
Full Support

United States

#14 Oct 9, 2007
I support this program 100% as long as it is funded with 0% tax dollars.
Tired of drunks

Fishers, IN

#15 Oct 9, 2007
How do you possibly "prevent" drunk driving accidents? Are you going to pay for police to sit outside every establishment that serves alcohol and have everyone take a PBT test before they leave? There's already a ton of "prevention" material/programs out there! Until people start taking personal responsibility, we need teams like FACT to make sure the people responsible for these kinds of tragedies are brought to justice. If it was your family member involved in an accident, I'll bet you'd be in favor of it.
MovingSouth

Arcanum, OH

#16 Oct 9, 2007
resident wrote:
What life isn't worth 30K or 500K.
Chemically speaking, a human body is worth about $6-$10. Now, if you consider something like slave labor, than that person is going to be worth more.
As ugly as it might sound, there are many, many, many 'lives' out there that aren't worth $30-$500K.
resident

Lebanon, IN

#17 Oct 9, 2007
MovingSouth wrote:
<quoted text>
Chemically speaking, a human body is worth about $6-$10. Now, if you consider something like slave labor, than that person is going to be worth more.
As ugly as it might sound, there are many, many, many 'lives' out there that aren't worth $30-$500K.
ya we know, you just proved the mentality of the majority, keep headed south, we will all be much safer.
Genius

United States

#18 Oct 9, 2007
Tired of drunks wrote:
How do you possibly "prevent" drunk driving accidents? Are you going to pay for police to sit outside every establishment that serves alcohol and have everyone take a PBT test before they leave? There's already a ton of "prevention" material/programs out there! Until people start taking personal responsibility, we need teams like FACT to make sure the people responsible for these kinds of tragedies are brought to justice. If it was your family member involved in an accident, I'll bet you'd be in favor of it.
My bad, there is no such thing as prevention. What was I thinking? So basically what this program says to the general public is: our normal police activity can't investigate these crashes; a special unit must be created to make for are incompetence?
Super X

Lebanon, IN

#19 Oct 9, 2007
Too bad more places don't have the same attitude toward drunk driving. Instead of downplaying the criminal aspect of drunk driving, Hamilton County has chosen to be tough on them.

If you need a place to drink and drive, I hear Boone County is the place to go. Zionsville pulled their officers from grant funded drunk driving patrols since their Town Marshal doesn't think drunk driving is a problem.
brent

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Oct 9, 2007
Stop wasting our tax dollars on bloated public service salaries.
INDY PRIDE

Louisville, KY

#21 Oct 9, 2007
The FACT team is not used to PREVENT DUI accidents. They respond when its a serious personal injury or a fatality. They do an outsatnding job and when a drunk kills your loved one you will appreciate that amount of time they can put into convicting who is responsible. This allows for other road officers to continue taking calls and respond to the public needs instaed of spending all day on a traffic accident. Joel is squared away and this is a good thing. Too bad Sheriff's department doesn't particapate. Doug Carter is too busy trying to spite everyone else in law enforcement that isn't a trooper or in doo doo brown. Makes no sense to have a seperate "CRASH" team that does the same thing. Waste of MONEY!!
Tired of drunks

Independence, KY

#22 Oct 9, 2007
No, it doesn't mean that the normal police are incompetent, but it does mean that every time an accident happens, AT LEAST one officer is pulled off the road to investigate instead being on patrol. If you have one group especially prepared for crashes such as these, then their expertise is used to more efficiently investigate the cause. So, what have you got against expert teams anyway? Afraid you'll get caught?

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