Police Shooting Investigation Continues

Jul 21, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WSET

It could be a matter of just a few weeks that we learn if there was any wrongdoing on the part of South Boston Police earlier this month.

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linda

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Jul 22, 2008
 
Sure there was wrong doing. Since when did buying a pack of rolling papers become a death sentence. The cops seem to think just because they have on a badge they can do anything.It seems like the law is above the law it self. Everything they do is always ok. If you rush a car without saying police in today times you do think someone is trying to rob you or worse. No way you or I would just sit there and let harm to come to you if you could get away.The police have to cover their tracks and they can because they are the law.This young man lost his life and his friend a memory that will never leave her because the law is the law no matter what. To commit crimes and get away with it just get a badge.May God bless this family and know that that the people will never believe anything but the law murdered your son and that they can never make people think he was at fault in anyway
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Jul 22, 2008
 
linda wrote:
Sure there was wrong doing. Since when did buying a pack of rolling papers become a death sentence. The cops seem to think just because they have on a badge they can do anything.It seems like the law is above the law it self. Everything they do is always ok. If you rush a car without saying police in today times you do think someone is trying to rob you or worse. No way you or I would just sit there and let harm to come to you if you could get away.The police have to cover their tracks and they can because they are the law.This young man lost his life and his friend a memory that will never leave her because the law is the law no matter what. To commit crimes and get away with it just get a badge.May God bless this family and know that that the people will never believe anything but the law murdered your son and that they can never make people think he was at fault in anyway
thanks for the truth again!
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Jul 22, 2008
 
linda wrote:
Sure there was wrong doing. Since when did buying a pack of rolling papers become a death sentence. The cops seem to think just because they have on a badge they can do anything.It seems like the law is above the law it self. Everything they do is always ok. If you rush a car without saying police in today times you do think someone is trying to rob you or worse. No way you or I would just sit there and let harm to come to you if you could get away.The police have to cover their tracks and they can because they are the law.This young man lost his life and his friend a memory that will never leave her because the law is the law no matter what. To commit crimes and get away with it just get a badge.May God bless this family and know that that the people will never believe anything but the law murdered your son and that they can never make people think he was at fault in anyway
Bullshiat. You just proved yourself to be as retarded as your little friend, Shadow. How dare you berate the very people whose job and commitment is to protect you? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

I will make the same wager with you that I offered up to someone else on here - which, by the way, has still gone unanswered....

Let's wait until the investigation is complete and the facts come out. If the independent investigation and/or video reveals that the officer was justified in his actions then YOU can come back on here and tell everyone how wrong you are.

If it is not justified, I will do the same.

Deal?
linda

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Jul 22, 2008
 
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Bullshiat. You just proved yourself to be as retarded as your little friend, Shadow. How dare you berate the very people whose job and commitment is to protect you? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
I will make the same wager with you that I offered up to someone else on here - which, by the way, has still gone unanswered....
Let's wait until the investigation is complete and the facts come out. If the independent investigation and/or video reveals that the officer was justified in his actions then YOU can come back on here and tell everyone how wrong you are.
If it is not justified, I will do the same.
Deal?
I would almost bet the shooting will be justified.There are very few times you will see that it wasn't when the police did the killing.As far as police go you seem to think they do no wrong.I too have seen people get killed by the police when there should be other means than just kill.They have the weapons on them to use instead of a gun sometimes.A life is something that should betaken when all else fells.My uncle is a VSP officer and I hope he would think before he shot a human being in a case like this.It seems like the police put themselves in a place that force like this had to be taken.If they saw a young girl in that car and this was what they had in mind to take place with this guy why in the world would they wait for him to get in a car that could be used as a weapon in the first place.Let alone shoot into a car with that girl inside and their own in the back of the car,must thought he was a very good shooter to risk so many lives.I too think some police are not on the force to protect the people but like the power and use the badge to slide around and get by with alot thats not always right.Just say no matter what a young man is dead and the real reason is why,what did he do in the first place other than buy rolling papers. I read what some wrote but I have read all that has came out in the papers and can't find why they pushed so hard to get this guy in the first place.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
First, forgive me for assailing you then. My past experiences with posts on this site is that people who are defening the late Mr. Seamster are doing so without any knowledge or any facts and are simply bashing the police.

Tell me, though, if a vehicle is heading towards you - what other weapon, that police may carry, could stop this threat? As well, I don't think you can make a conclusive statement about the officer's actions without the facts of the case. By the way, it seems, from the reports in the media, that he was approached while in the car.

Buying rolling papers is not illegal. Buying rolling papers, though, is not what got him killed. It might have been the act of buying the rolling papers that drew the attention of police, but an officer uses his/her weapon to nuetralize a threat. I am guessing that the actions of Mr. Seamster posed a perceived threat to the officer and the officer did what he thought was necessary to protect his own life or that of another.

As I suggested in the thread to which you did not respond, let's let the facts of the matter play out and then we will see who truly made bad decisions.
Richmonder

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Jul 23, 2008
 
By the way, yes. My offer for a wager still stands.
linda

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Jul 23, 2008
 
As I've said what facts.The ones the cops are spending time to get togather to protect their own.Words and the facts can and have been twisted a many time to protect and to convict in many a case.The jails are full of the ones the cops got right with the the facts,even some have been put to death with these facts.There's no way you or me or the cops will ever tell this family how or why their son is dead from the facts.You seem to want to think your way of thinking is right,where has your head been for so long? People have seen where other facts just won't right.The cops have and will kill again without just cause.Like I say and say again nothing can or will bring Neal back and the facts may not be the answer but I believe in God and someday God will close this chapter for the man that did this.Hopefully it will be in his favor when the finally judgment is made.The life here is short and we believe what we believe and hope in the end we were right.Was this right in God's eyes,that's the real question
linda

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Jul 23, 2008
 
As far as a wager,this man lost his life by a cop,How many times have you heard a cop was unjustified in killing someone,not many if any.
Richmonder

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Jul 23, 2008
 
linda wrote:
As I've said what facts.The ones the cops are spending time to get togather to protect their own.Words and the facts can and have been twisted a many time to protect and to convict in many a case.The jails are full of the ones the cops got right with the the facts,even some have been put to death with these facts.There's no way you or me or the cops will ever tell this family how or why their son is dead from the facts.You seem to want to think your way of thinking is right,where has your head been for so long? People have seen where other facts just won't right.The cops have and will kill again without just cause.Like I say and say again nothing can or will bring Neal back and the facts may not be the answer but I believe in God and someday God will close this chapter for the man that did this.Hopefully it will be in his favor when the finally judgment is made.The life here is short and we believe what we believe and hope in the end we were right.Was this right in God's eyes,that's the real question
So then, speaking of "twisted," by your logic, no investigation should be necessary. Obviously, it's going to come out as a justified shooting, right? If that's the case, then why even spend the man hours or money on investigating something that doesn't need to be investigated? That's pretzel logic if I have ever heard it. When I read your comment, I hear, "Well -'facts' are not always right and, regardless of the facts, the officers were still wrong." Bullshitt.
First, the authorities in Halifax or SOBO could not investigate an issue involving one of their own. This is why it customarily goes to the VSP. They have the authority and responsibility to investigate these matters. As well, it stands to reason that most shootings are justified. The police are trained when and when not to use deadly force. If they follow their training, then all shootings would be justified, and there would be no such thing as "an unjustified shooting." Right?
Yes, I do think that my way of thinking is correct - leave the investigation to the people who are responsible to research it and THEN pass judgement when the time has come. I have stated over and over again on all of these threads that I AM NOT PASSING JUDGEMENT ON MR. SEAMSTER. I don't know all of the details. From what I have read, though, I have a hunch - and am willing to wager on my hunch - that the shooting was justified and was brought on by the lack of judgement shown by the deceased.
Whether or not this was "right" in God's eyes is something neither you nor I will EVER know. The only thing we can do is share our opinions. Those opinions are formed from our research, things we experience and our system of beliefs. I believe that God will judge the situation one day, but my hunch tells me that God allowed this to happen because Mr. Seamster made a series of poor decisions.
Lastly, I will remind you that I am not gleeful about the fact that Mr. Seamster is dead. It is tragic anytime anyone dies. At the same time, I am not going to blindly accuse officers of some level of conspiracy or impropriety just because they happened to be the ones to have to make that tough decision on whether to pull the trigger or not. Officers deserve our support. They have taken a solemn oath to protect society. For some people on here to bash police about the manner in which they perform their duties, their need to protect their own lives, accuse them of conspiracies and further malicious comments is reprehensible. Personally, I will stand up for them because they, by and large, are deserving of my support and are an honorable group of professionals. I will also tell anyone who states otherwise that they are wrong and/or misinformed.
I feel just as passionately about this as do those who lost a loved one and/or friend in Mr. Seamster.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
linda wrote:
As far as a wager,this man lost his life by a cop,How many times have you heard a cop was unjustified in killing someone,not many if any.
Baseless comment and weak argument. You seem to be supporting the theory that it may have been unjustified. At least this is what all of your comments allude to. If you are so convinced that the deceased lost his life because the cop was wrong then go ahead and take me up on my offer.

After all, I am not asking anyone to wager money. I just want people to step up and admit when they are disproven or were wrong about something. I have already stated that I will do it if I am wrong. Why the hesitation by so many on here?

1. Blind hatred or disdain for law enforcement,
2. Provincial-minded people.

That's why. Period.
linda

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Jul 23, 2008
 
Well you seem to think you are right no matter what and you may be.As far as you seem to believe they are right and never wrong because they are the police, sorry to bust your bubble.Just because they have another part of the law to say they were right well figure that.I have seen the good cop,bad cop all my life.We like to think everyone that puts on a badge is putting it on for the right reason but thats just not true.Take off the blinders and come into the real world.What words can they tell this family that their child was on his way for a new job and stops at a store and these cops find him doing something so bad today he is dead!.Wheres the big drug bust.Where is the big crime that he gave his life for.Maybe just maybe they put their self in the path for this to have ended this way. I'm not judging but would like alot to be answered by somebody.If this was my child the answers would need to come real quick.I will say I hope you never have a child that never ends up like this and maybe then the law will not be so prefect in your eyes.As far as your wager I would say Neal has paid that price for those that don't have blinders on!Cop hater NO! Just got my head out of the sand
linda

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Jul 23, 2008
 
One question, where is the winner in this anyway. The cop that killed this young man,the family that lost their son,me because I can't agree with you totally,or you because the cops say a cop was right in their eyes for killing this young man that was so bad he had to die to protect our street from him?Which will be the winner?If I am wrong I am not to big to say I am wrong.We all on here just want answers. A cop killed,a man is dead.WHY.This is just a vent till we get some answers because for most out there in our minds as dumb as we are we don't see as good as you can!Our life is the highest price we have to pay with,what was that great crime!You can call me what ever you like but for the most part the ones I've talked to need the same answers.Just like to ask you this.Why if what this guy did was so bad he died because of it ,why do the same cops pass drug dealers on the streets and users and they are not dead?Maybe it's not their time yet.There's noway you can't say this is not happening everyday on our streets.If the cops took a strong stand on this the world would be safer and we the people can feel like we could come out of our homes at night.I see the cops pass by the dealers and users everyday and wave at them.Some pass their drugs over while the cops are setting in their cars in front of the deals,no one died.I do know the law is very high on your list,maybe too high.Just show me and the ones that need or want answers those answers and then if I believe in my heart they had to do this I will say they had to do this.So what is your wager?The cop had to kill to protect him and his co-workers.Well after I read their reason for deadly force and it makes sense then I can say it had to be used for their own protection I will try to take my blinders off and say I was wrong.For the most I would like to say I hope you are right and Neal had to die because he was so bad that night
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Jul 23, 2008
 
SO true Linda..Cops cover for cops no matter what..we need to get them to to realize a badge is not a license to kill!!
linda wrote:
Sure there was wrong doing. Since when did buying a pack of rolling papers become a death sentence. The cops seem to think just because they have on a badge they can do anything.It seems like the law is above the law it self. Everything they do is always ok. If you rush a car without saying police in today times you do think someone is trying to rob you or worse. No way you or I would just sit there and let harm to come to you if you could get away.The police have to cover their tracks and they can because they are the law.This young man lost his life and his friend a memory that will never leave her because the law is the law no matter what. To commit crimes and get away with it just get a badge.May God bless this family and know that that the people will never believe anything but the law murdered your son and that they can never make people think he was at fault in anyway
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Jul 24, 2008
 
Taxpayer wrote:
SO true Linda..Cops cover for cops no matter what..we need to get them to to realize a badge is not a license to kill!!<quoted text>
Hey Taxpayer. GFY.
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Jul 24, 2008
 
STFU.....How's that for you?
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Hey Taxpayer. GFY.
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Jul 24, 2008
 
Back at ya, Princess....
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Jul 24, 2008
 
I have consistently held the position on here that I do not know the facts of what happened, and that I am passing absolutely NO judgement on the character of Mr. Seamster. Further, I have reiterated that what I state is my opinion about the events, or, a hunch. I base this on the fact that most police shootings are justified. The frustration I have felt is that I cannot understand when people do not support the police. I am not suggesting that we automatically assume that this was a justified shooting, but simply that officers are just as deserving of the presumtion of innocence until proven guilty - just as much as you and me. The majority of my frustration, though, comes from the fact that some people on here bash the police anonymously. That's being a coward. If you really are that pissed off about the police in general, why not lobby for the change? I have heard some of the most hateful things about cops on here that honestly infuriate and even puzzle me. I just don't think that way. Are there bad cops out there? Yes. Are most of them bad. Absolutely not. As a matter of fact, "bad cops" are the EXTREME exception and not the norm. All of my personal experiences, and my friendships with those in law enforcement tells me that I have exposure to a pretty good sampling of law enforcement officers as friends. It is because of this that I know you are wrong.

If you read carefully over all of the posts in the last two weeks, you will see that this is more about law enforcement more than it is Mr. Seamster.
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Jul 24, 2008
 
Richmonder wrote:
I have consistently held the position on here that I do not know the facts of what happened, and that I am passing absolutely NO judgement on the character of Mr. Seamster. Further, I have reiterated that what I state is my opinion about the events, or, a hunch. I base this on the fact that most police shootings are justified. The frustration I have felt is that I cannot understand when people do not support the police. I am not suggesting that we automatically assume that this was a justified shooting, but simply that officers are just as deserving of the presumtion of innocence until proven guilty - just as much as you and me. The majority of my frustration, though, comes from the fact that some people on here bash the police anonymously. That's being a coward. If you really are that pissed off about the police in general, why not lobby for the change? I have heard some of the most hateful things about cops on here that honestly infuriate and even puzzle me. I just don't think that way. Are there bad cops out there? Yes. Are most of them bad. Absolutely not. As a matter of fact, "bad cops" are the EXTREME exception and not the norm. All of my personal experiences, and my friendships with those in law enforcement tells me that I have exposure to a pretty good sampling of law enforcement officers as friends. It is because of this that I know you are wrong.
If you read carefully over all of the posts in the last two weeks, you will see that this is more about law enforcement more than it is Mr. Seamster.
Yes there is because most of the people on here just believe this was an unjust shooting and feel very deep about this.Maybe the cops don't take shooting someone lightly but like this time and[ other shootings]most think Neal's death should not have happened.We see and hear cops saying and doing things thats just not right.Let alone what we read.There was a time cops were high on my list too but as time goes on too many boasting,lying,doing drugs,stealing,covering up,you name it they are part of the same thing they are out there to catch the bad guys doing.Sorry,they are.We the tax payers are footing the bill for them to ride free,I might add while picking up girl friends,visit their family and what ever else they want to do.FREE AT TAX PAYERS COST.Yes there are some that know how and want to do a good as a cop.Once again sorry not many good ones out there.This shooting just has let's push this guy around some and the whole thing went wrong.Neal dead,cop a killer.Justified,oh yea no question.Was it right,bottom line,no way
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Jul 25, 2008
 
I'm done with this. We are going to have to agree to disagree.
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Jul 25, 2008
 
Thanks, now you agree you can't find enough answers to cover for your friends on the force.Our point in this is no matter what and at what ever cost it is the answer is going to be now and always on the side of the law because they are the law and for the the most part it goes their way.I t only matters that the law push Neal into feeling his self was at a That's our point threaten point.By the way if you so how think there people are cops because they have deep feeling and want to some how wear a gun to really protect I beg your differ.I know alot of cops and never have I hear that one. Maybe power over a person,a thrill when pushing a person around,thinking you are above the little humans on the street.Wow a bad guy,let10 cops beat him to the ground and cuff him.Hey did you see that guy buy a pack of rolling papers lets kill him quick.What about a cop using his car to sell out of at a flea market,yep our tax dollars hard at work.A cop that lives across town and his family on the other side ofe town but the car is at his moms house alot,once again tax dollars hard at work.What about the cops making passes at girls at convince stores in a cops car,just too muck flex with these cops, they cross the line so much it seems they do forget the where the line is.For the most part we feel scared of the law because the law can't be trusted any more.Look at Neal,I rest my case.For one I say the law needs to be arrested from them selfs.AGAIN FOR THOSE THAT DO THEIR JOB AND KNOW THEIR JOB. THANK YOU!FOR THOSE OUT THERE AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE LEAVE THE FORCE SO THE GOOD COPS DON"T LOOK SO BAD.Let's work on getting the police back to doing their jobs not just making a living on our tax dollars.Maybe if the cops weren't so crooked we might would see this death different but it looks crooked. If their job is to shoot to kill then why are we paying for billy sticks,maze,stun guns.It's so hard to belive this cops life was in any danger because if he was backing up and was shot then the car was already backed up and the cops were ok.Let's just get real here,no cop was in danger when Neal was shot,just a fast gun,final

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