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Western Ky City Denies Group's Plan For A Mosque

There are 125 comments on the KLEX TV story from Aug 25, 2010, titled Western Ky City Denies Group's Plan For A Mosque. In it, KLEX TV reports that:

As the debate about opening a mosque near Ground Zero in New York City continues, there's a new fight brewing.

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Betsi

Nashville, TN

#1 Aug 25, 2010
Congratulations, city of Mayfield, for keeping the ideas, biases, bigotry and purposes of the Confederate States of America alive in the 21st century.

SHAME on you! Is freedom of religion a right only granted to white Ango-Saxon Protestants? Citing a parking problem where none has existed, nor should exist in the future, is simply another way of saying "We don't want anyone in our town who may think differently than we."

I would imagine that if 150 of the good citizens of Mayfield moved to Somalia and wanted to build a church, the expectation would be of approval. Cannot the Somalis who came here in search of a better life expect, and be granted, the same?
bornintheusa

Earlington, KY

#2 Aug 25, 2010
Betsi, why don't you keep your nose out of Mayfield's business?! You want to condemn people basically for judging these people, yet you have passed judgement on the whole city of Mayfield! Shame on you, you are no better!
You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been to Mayfield? Have you ever been to the building they are wanting to use? Have you ever parked in the parking lot? How do you know there has never been a parking problem? You don't! There IS absolutely a parking problem there! I get my hair done at the salon next door. Parking has been an issue at that location for more than 20 years! The vote itself was absolutely, solely based on the parking and space issue! But you are right about one thing, the majority of the people in Mayfield do have concerns when so many people come into our town who do not share the same core values. I agree that not ALL muslims are bad people, but how do we tell the difference in the good ones and the not so good ones? If you can make that clear to me, it would really help. What many people, obviously your one of them, don't know, is that federal agencies have already been in Mayfield due to terrorist ties. As if that isn't enough reason to have concerns, a Somali man is in jail right now for trying to kidnap a 12 yr old girl! American sex offenders and felons are easily tracked through court documents and registries...where are the registries for the Somalians that come here,who have committed crimes agains women and children? People fear the unknown, its human nature. My issues with these people are based more on what we don't know or can't know rather than what we do know.
Lee

Murray, KY

#3 Aug 25, 2010
bornintheusa, I do live and work in Mayfield for more than 24years so I guess I can have a little bit of a say so in this...parking is not an issue, because the owners within the shopping facility stated that if it was a Baptist church then it would not be a problem. Many (if not all) came to city hall to voice there opinion about the religion (your really delusional to think that a pack city hall was just about parking) Freedom to worship is a fundamental right, there is good reason why that is in the constitution, taking away right only leads to destruction of the "land of the free"
2bigfermydiaper

Utica, KY

#4 Aug 25, 2010
Lee, how do you know about this statement? You probably just put yourself on the line for a subpoena if this reaches the right people. Seriously, were you there?
Islam Hates Ho mos

Brownsville, TN

#5 Aug 25, 2010
Lee wrote:
bornintheusa, I do live and work in Mayfield for more than 24years so I guess I can have a little bit of a say so in this...parking is not an issue, because the owners within the shopping facility stated that if it was a Baptist church then it would not be a problem. Many (if not all) came to city hall to voice there opinion about the religion (your really delusional to think that a pack city hall was just about parking) Freedom to worship is a fundamental right, there is good reason why that is in the constitution, taking away right only leads to destruction of the "land of the free"
Your probably a progressive homosexual with mental illness Isues.
Islam Hates Ho mos

Brownsville, TN

#6 Aug 25, 2010
Betsi wrote:
Congratulations, city of Mayfield, for keeping the ideas, biases, bigotry and purposes of the Confederate States of America alive in the 21st century.
SHAME on you! Is freedom of religion a right only granted to white Ango-Saxon Protestants? Citing a parking problem where none has existed, nor should exist in the future, is simply another way of saying "We don't want anyone in our town who may think differently than we."
I would imagine that if 150 of the good citizens of Mayfield moved to Somalia and wanted to build a church, the expectation would be of approval. Cannot the Somalis who came here in search of a better life expect, and be granted, the same?
You wrote :

"I would imagine that if 150 of the good citizens of Mayfield moved to Somalia and wanted to build a church, the expectation would be of approval"

Are you as ignorant as that comment ? Somalia is a bastion of anti Christian violence. Homosexuals , women, and anyone against Islamo fascism is brutally murdered. you must be some liberal college student. No one with any knowledge of Somalie would be so ignorant as to post that falsehood.
Lee

Murray, KY

#7 Aug 25, 2010
I was going to look up the countless of articles and explain all the personal experiences Ive had with bigoted people on this issue, but I cannot justify the need to articulate an issue that is already been pressed enough. You can look up what I said and decide on the validity of it (even look at peoples comments on Topix). But it will be your time and not mine. Everyone knows this isn't an issue of a parking but rather of acceptance. You gotta ask yourself, If a Baptist church was going to be placed, do you honestly believe that people would protest saying There isn't enough parking spaces?
Lee

Murray, KY

#8 Aug 25, 2010
Islam Hates Ho mos wrote:
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Your probably a progressive homosexual with mental illness Isues.
Was that your way of asking me for a date, smooth talker?
2bigfermydiaper

Richmond, KY

#9 Aug 25, 2010
Betsi---I think if I here freedom of religion, constitutional rights, and land of the free for any excuse again, I'm going to barf!!!Do you have any idea the year this was written? I do not think our forefathers could look ahead to our world challenges and apply the liberties today that some are taking out of context. We will not be land of the free(from terror, diseases brought over, drugs, etc.) until government gets off their ass and says it is time for ammendments. Have you noticed that all those rights you sling out there should apply for all? If you work, do you get paid for praying five times a day and has your employer built you a santuary? Do you have to purchase auto ins.? Some do not and refuse to put a bright orange reflective emblem on buggies, which would be for their safety. Orange offends them, yet they buy pounds of Goop(which comes in orange containers)they visit McDonald's and drink from containers with orange. So, which is it? Orange is a demon pertaining to our law, or overlooked when thirsty or hands need to be cleaned.You can't have it both ways. Who knows, their underwear might be orange because lighter colors don't stop the draft. IT IS TIME FOR AMERICA TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN. We have homeless people and families and kids going to bed hungry. We give money to every nation, but people that bust their rumps every day, needing a little help,U.S.Citizens, get nada. I don't believe my father, grandfather, nor anyone else's fought a war and put their lives on the line to be overcomed by threats of terroism, injustice to the citizens, or to see how open and caring the United States has become, to self destruct. America is FULL!
bornintheusa

Hawesville, KY

#10 Aug 25, 2010
Lee wrote:
bornintheusa, I do live and work in Mayfield for more than 24years so I guess I can have a little bit of a say so in this...parking is not an issue, because the owners within the shopping facility stated that if it was a Baptist church then it would not be a problem. Many (if not all) came to city hall to voice there opinion about the religion (your really delusional to think that a pack city hall was just about parking) Freedom to worship is a fundamental right, there is good reason why that is in the constitution, taking away right only leads to destruction of the "land of the free"
If you have lived in Mayfield for 24 years then why are you calling it a "shopping center"? There is no shopping center there. Its a small building. The flower shop is not actually connected and the salon is on the other side, again in a separate building. They are located all close together, but it is not "shopping center". And I did not say that the city hall was packed because of parking. Did you even read my comment or did you just pick out certain words? I said the VOTE was based on parking. If you read past the word parking, you will see that I did address the opinion and concerns of some of the citizens of Mayfield and I did not say it was JUST about parking! They did NOT take away their right to worship. When they raid the mosque and tell them they can't pray, THEN you can tell me they took their right to worship. They said they couldn't operate a mosque in THAT particular location. There are plenty of empty buildings with plenty of parking in other locations, all they have to do is rent or buy one of them just like the space their in now. Will people be ok with them being here then? No, the majority won't, but that doesn't take their right to worship away! By the way, the Baptist meet on Sundays and Weds nights...when businesses are closed!
bornintheusa

Hawesville, KY

#11 Aug 25, 2010
Lee wrote:
I was going to look up the countless of articles and explain all the personal experiences Ive had with bigoted people on this issue, but I cannot justify the need to articulate an issue that is already been pressed enough. You can look up what I said and decide on the validity of it (even look at peoples comments on Topix). But it will be your time and not mine. Everyone knows this isn't an issue of a parking but rather of acceptance. You gotta ask yourself, If a Baptist church was going to be placed, do you honestly believe that people would protest saying There isn't enough parking spaces?
The Baptist meet on Sundays! The other businesses are closed then, so parking wouldnt' be an issue anyway. Please give me your reasons why we should be so accepting of a group of people with such a vast difference of world views and values? Will they give us that same acceptance? They have come to our backyard to play, why aren't they more accepting of us? Please give me some reasons why I should be rolling out the red carpet?
bornintheusa

Hawesville, KY

#12 Aug 25, 2010
2bigfermydiaper wrote:
Betsi---I think if I here freedom of religion, constitutional rights, and land of the free for any excuse again, I'm going to barf!!!Do you have any idea the year this was written? I do not think our forefathers could look ahead to our world challenges and apply the liberties today that some are taking out of context. We will not be land of the free(from terror, diseases brought over, drugs, etc.) until government gets off their ass and says it is time for ammendments. Have you noticed that all those rights you sling out there should apply for all? If you work, do you get paid for praying five times a day and has your employer built you a santuary? Do you have to purchase auto ins.? Some do not and refuse to put a bright orange reflective emblem on buggies, which would be for their safety. Orange offends them, yet they buy pounds of Goop(which comes in orange containers)they visit McDonald's and drink from containers with orange. So, which is it? Orange is a demon pertaining to our law, or overlooked when thirsty or hands need to be cleaned.You can't have it both ways. Who knows, their underwear might be orange because lighter colors don't stop the draft. IT IS TIME FOR AMERICA TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN. We have homeless people and families and kids going to bed hungry. We give money to every nation, but people that bust their rumps every day, needing a little help,U.S.Citizens, get nada. I don't believe my father, grandfather, nor anyone else's fought a war and put their lives on the line to be overcomed by threats of terroism, injustice to the citizens, or to see how open and caring the United States has become, to self destruct. America is FULL!
Ummmm? I think I agree with you, but you do understand that is the "AMISH" who dont' want to put the stickers on their buggies, not the "MUSLIMS", right? And you do know that the Amish are Americans right? Just wondering, your post is a little confusing on that part.
Just Wondering

Broken Arrow, OK

#13 Aug 25, 2010
I was wondering, if this had been another religion wanting to use the space to pray, what would the issues be? We begin with one religion that is different than another,then we will go to the next religion that has another set of beliefs and then one day we can wake up to true communismm with everyone wondering what happened to religious freedom in America?
Lee

Murray, KY

#14 Aug 25, 2010
You are not going to be filibustering me. The facts are simple...you can call it whatever you want to call it, I call it a shopping center...why in the world would I be lying about my residence? I was here when Bill Clinton gave his speech at the Blue Building, I was here when they filmed In Country with Bruce Willis, I was here when the Public Library was at the Chamber building. Church doors are never closed, they are always open...also there is something called revival, summer camp etc etc... when you wrote: When they raid the mosque and tell them they can't pray, THEN you can tell me they took their right to worship.
Your right they are not going to "raid the mosque" because they did not give them a mosque to begin with. Listen we obviously don't see eye to eye on this issue. If you are from here then you will know the bigoted and intolerance that is going around. You can say it over parking but everyone all know what it is over and I do not care to go on with replying to foolish statements
Mohammed likes Deep Anal

Brownsville, TN

#15 Aug 25, 2010
Keep ip simple. First ask why a chicken processing plant has to bring in Aliens (illegal or Legal) from Somalia 12,000 miles from here when half the Blacks here are out of work ??? If the people of mayfield are comfortable with a company bringing in people from Africa who woont hire people from Mayfield then what does that tell you ?? Dont hate the Somalians hate the liberal elites who are taking care of everyone else except the unemployed U.S taxpayer. And that is that Krak Smokin Kenyan Obama.
Lee

Murray, KY

#16 Aug 25, 2010
Just Wondering wrote:
I was wondering, if this had been another religion wanting to use the space to pray, what would the issues be? We begin with one religion that is different than another,then we will go to the next religion that has another set of beliefs and then one day we can wake up to true communismm with everyone wondering what happened to religious freedom in America?
Actually religious "Communism" is a great name for it...people in Mayfield expect everyone to believe the way they do because they have been here longer...if that was the case wouldn't we all be doing rain dances and asking our chief Indian for advise.
AutoZone CEO

Bremen, KY

#17 Aug 25, 2010
Betsi and Lee are obviously clueless. If you had any idea what you are talking about you would know that the proposed mosque is a very small 3 unit building. The 1 section that the mosque was going to be in contained 600 SF. There are 6 total parking spaces for the entire building so they had a grand total of 2 spaces. THe fire code allows 1 person for every 15 feet of space so they would have had 2 spaces and a max of 40 people. There is no on street parking on this section of Broadway. Hmm.... I wonder why neighboring business felt there was a parking issue with a total of 2 spaces. In the meeting it was reported that several Muslims from out of town contacted the city to support the mosque stating that the closest was in Carbondale, IL and they would welcome having a closer mosque. Hmmm... out of town Muslims + 300 estimated local Muslims = parking problems. The city ask the Somaili's for a firm number of users but they had no idea. The cities board cited KRS 100-243 per WPSD. The board is bound by the states laws and a quick Google will allow a review of this law that covers variances which is what the mosque had ask the city to grant. It says "KRS 100.243 Before any variance is granted that the board must find that the granting of the variance will not adversely affect public healthm safety or welfare, will not alter the essential character of the general vicinity, will not cause a hazard or a nuisance to the public, and will not allow an unreasonable circumvention of the requirements of the zoning regulations"

The board made the right decision in this case and it had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with following the law. The Somali's want a mosque they just have to meet these requirements and the city will grant it but it will never happen in this location. Lee you really need to pay more attention, 24 years is a long time to not notice the building.
Lee

Murray, KY

#18 Aug 25, 2010
AutoZone CEO wrote:
Betsi and Lee are obviously clueless. If you had any idea what you are talking about you would know that the proposed mosque is a very small 3 unit building. The 1 section that the mosque was going to be in contained 600 SF. There are 6 total parking spaces for the entire building so they had a grand total of 2 spaces. THe fire code allows 1 person for every 15 feet of space so they would have had 2 spaces and a max of 40 people. There is no on street parking on this section of Broadway. Hmm.... I wonder why neighboring business felt there was a parking issue with a total of 2 spaces. In the meeting it was reported that several Muslims from out of town contacted the city to support the mosque stating that the closest was in Carbondale, IL and they would welcome having a closer mosque. Hmmm... out of town Muslims + 300 estimated local Muslims = parking problems. The city ask the Somaili's for a firm number of users but they had no idea. The cities board cited KRS 100-243 per WPSD. The board is bound by the states laws and a quick Google will allow a review of this law that covers variances which is what the mosque had ask the city to grant. It says "KRS 100.243 Before any variance is granted that the board must find that the granting of the variance will not adversely affect public healthm safety or welfare, will not alter the essential character of the general vicinity, will not cause a hazard or a nuisance to the public, and will not allow an unreasonable circumvention of the requirements of the zoning regulations"
The board made the right decision in this case and it had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with following the law. The Somali's want a mosque they just have to meet these requirements and the city will grant it but it will never happen in this location. Lee you really need to pay more attention, 24 years is a long time to not notice the building.
I am afraid that you are the one clueless....I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE PARKING IS NOT ENOUGH!!!! HOWEVER, there are plenty of places that doesnt have enough parking...when I go to the football game I park in the Senior Citizen Building parking lot because of the packed cars...does that mean that there shouldn't be any football games? Besides lets say that someone wanted to get there hair done and had to park 5 minutes away, I am not going to feel sorrry for them, if we lived in a city walking a couple of blocks wouldnt be anything...then people wonder why there is so much obesity!
Smokin Joe

Murfreesboro, TN

#19 Aug 25, 2010
Mohammed likes Deep Anal wrote:
Keep it simple. First ask why a chicken processing plant has to bring in Aliens (illegal or Legal) from Somalia 12,000 miles from here when half the Blacks here are out of work ???
Well, the chicken plant did offer "the good 'ol people" of Mayfield a chance for employment. 46 local residents got hired. Guess how many of those showed up the next day? NINE Out of those 9, two failed their drug test and another didn't have the proper paper work. If you're not good at math, I'll help you out. A grand total of SIX people from the Mayfield area were hired. So, it seems to me that the locals were either too lazy, dumb, or incompetent to work at a chicken plant. How's that for a wake up call? At least the Somalians appreciate the opportunity to work hard and be in a better area (I use that loosely) than their war-stricken homeland.
Foghorn Leghorn

Brownsville, TN

#21 Aug 25, 2010
Smokin Joe wrote:
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Well, the chicken plant did offer "the good 'ol people" of Mayfield a chance for employment. 46 local residents got hired. Guess how many of those showed up the next day? NINE Out of those 9, two failed their drug test and another didn't have the proper paper work. If you're not good at math, I'll help you out. A grand total of SIX people from the Mayfield area were hired. So, it seems to me that the locals were either too lazy, dumb, or incompetent to work at a chicken plant. How's that for a wake up call? At least the Somalians appreciate the opportunity to work hard and be in a better area (I use that loosely) than their war-stricken homeland.
Oh so they had to go to Africa 10000 miles away ???? Gee how about going around the county dumbasses.
So they had to go to Africa

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