Petitioners ordered to pay legal bill

A judge Wednesday ordered the county to pay almost $125,000 in legal fees, but said $80,000 of the bill should be paid by the 40 Gloucester County residents who gathered almost 6,000 voter signatures on ... Full Story
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Enough is enough

Gloucester, VA

#1 Dec 18, 2008
Finally, a bit of balance from the Daily Press...
reality check

Gloucester, VA

#2 Dec 18, 2008
It will not be a "good day for Gloucester County" until next November when TA is replaced on the BOS. A ham sandwich could beat her at this point.

Teresa resides in Teresa World, and could care less about Gloucester County, except for how it relates to the promotion of Teresa Altemus and the power she has accrued.

I wonder who she will sue when she loses the election?
WTF

Zephyrhills, FL

#3 Dec 18, 2008
reality check wrote:
It will not be a "good day for Gloucester County" until next November when TA is replaced on the BOS. A ham sandwich could beat her at this point.
Teresa resides in Teresa World, and could care less about Gloucester County, except for how it relates to the promotion of Teresa Altemus and the power she has accrued.
I wonder who she will sue when she loses the election?
Altemus has made a chunk of money this year. School board, now this. She is on the roll. Altemus is a real hot chick or I should say, a hot babe, is she married?
What If

Jerome, PA

#4 Dec 18, 2008
I would assume that none of these people anticipate being re-elected. If so then they should seek the counsel of a Licensed Clinical Psychologist instead of a Lawyer.
Thomas Harrell

United States

#5 Dec 18, 2008
I'm wondering where the vigilante's are in Gloucester. Courts don't work, judges are bought and paid for, elected officials are more crooked than the road to Mathews. Maybe a little vigilante justice would even the tables.

Clearly this so called judge has never read either the Virginia or US Constitution's protection for "petition the government for a redress of greivances".

I suppose the "balance" the first poster yaks about, is letting the crooks off the hook for their own legal defense of their crooked actions. yep, that's real "balance". Someone has to speak up for the crooked-corrupt Gloucester politicians! Thank God the Daily Press has finally gone over to the dark side!
cuckoos nest

Gloucester, VA

#6 Dec 18, 2008
What If wrote:
I would assume that none of these people anticipate being re-elected. If so then they should seek the counsel of a Licensed Clinical Psychologist instead of a Lawyer.
They do need psychiatric help, but please don't give them any ideas! All of us who voted them into office would all have to get two jobs to foot the bill for that, since we would no doubt be ordered by some crooked judge to pay for it.
Besides, for counseling to be effective, the person must admit they need help. The foul four consider themselves to be SUPERIOR PEOPLE and do not operate within the realm of REALITY on any level.
They obviously believe that if they and a few family members/lackies post hostile comments on these boards about how stupid Gloucester citizens are, then all will be forgotten, and those of us who voted them into office will go back into sheep mode and allow them to continue to plunder our county.
They have made it abundantly clear that they view their constituents with hostility and see this latest as some sort of "victory" over the very people they are supposed to REPRESENT!!
And I voted for 2 of them, so don't anyone accuse me of trying to subvert the election or whatever that dumb idea is that they and their cronies keep posting on these boards.
Biff

Rapid City, SD

#7 Dec 18, 2008
What are you talking about? The case was thrown out of court for having no merit. They are less crooked than the democrats they replaced. It seems to be the democratic motto: if you can't win an election, then use whatever other crooked means you have to win.
Thomas Harrell wrote:
I'm wondering where the vigilante's are in Gloucester. Courts don't work, judges are bought and paid for, elected officials are more crooked than the road to Mathews. Maybe a little vigilante justice would even the tables.
Clearly this so called judge has never read either the Virginia or US Constitution's protection for "petition the government for a redress of greivances".
I suppose the "balance" the first poster yaks about, is letting the crooks off the hook for their own legal defense of their crooked actions. yep, that's real "balance". Someone has to speak up for the crooked-corrupt Gloucester politicians! Thank God the Daily Press has finally gone over to the dark side!
everyman

Gloucester, VA

#8 Dec 18, 2008
cuckoos nest wrote:
<quoted text>
They do need psychiatric help, but please don't give them any ideas! All of us who voted them into office would all have to get two jobs to foot the bill for that, since we would no doubt be ordered by some crooked judge to pay for it.
Besides, for counseling to be effective, the person must admit they need help. The foul four consider themselves to be SUPERIOR PEOPLE and do not operate within the realm of REALITY on any level.
They obviously believe that if they and a few family members/lackies post hostile comments on these boards about how stupid Gloucester citizens are, then all will be forgotten, and those of us who voted them into office will go back into sheep mode and allow them to continue to plunder our county.
They have made it abundantly clear that they view their constituents with hostility and see this latest as some sort of "victory" over the very people they are supposed to REPRESENT!!
And I voted for 2 of them, so don't anyone accuse me of trying to subvert the election or whatever that dumb idea is that they and their cronies keep posting on these boards.
Wow, after that post, noone really needs to emphasize how backwards some people are.
Not Trusting

Gloucester, VA

#9 Dec 18, 2008
We're just road kill.
Disgusted in Hayes

Gloucester, VA

#10 Dec 18, 2008
Interesting comment by ****. Perhaps she is positioning herself for Senator Obama's senate seat since she'll never get elected to another office in Virginia. She and the Illinois governor seem to have a lot of the same traits...
Disgusted in Hayes

Gloucester, VA

#11 Dec 18, 2008
Oops, she beieng TA...
Right On

Hampton, VA

#12 Dec 18, 2008
Hmmmm...no posts from Gae since yesterday's ruling. I'm dying to hear her thoughts on Judge Parker's ruling......
Jim

Williamsburg, VA

#13 Dec 18, 2008
If this judgment stands, recall is essentially dead, not only in Gloucester, but in Virginia, unless state statutes are rewritten by currently elected state representatives. Beyond the difficulty of conducting a recall under the statute, this ruling that punishes citizens economically for exercising their legal rights is sure to chill future efforts if left unchallenged. Surely this is an appropriate issue for the ACLU. As it stands, it is a cautionary note to all of us. With recall off the table, "buyer beware" at election time. Of course, with the passage of a little time, the next election cycle presents an opportunity for unchallenged, unavoidable recall. If any of them have the guts to run for reelection, these scheming scoundrels will have a public verdict on their actions that will not turn on the opinions of an outside prosecutor and a biased judge. Too bad the judge doesn't have to stand for election too, as in other states, but that is for another day.
everyman

Gloucester, VA

#14 Dec 18, 2008
Jim wrote:
If this judgment stands, recall is essentially dead, not only in Gloucester, but in Virginia, unless state statutes are rewritten by currently elected state representatives. Beyond the difficulty of conducting a recall under the statute, this ruling that punishes citizens economically for exercising their legal rights is sure to chill future efforts if left unchallenged. Surely this is an appropriate issue for the ACLU. As it stands, it is a cautionary note to all of us. With recall off the table, "buyer beware" at election time. Of course, with the passage of a little time, the next election cycle presents an opportunity for unchallenged, unavoidable recall. If any of them have the guts to run for reelection, these scheming scoundrels will have a public verdict on their actions that will not turn on the opinions of an outside prosecutor and a biased judge. Too bad the judge doesn't have to stand for election too, as in other states, but that is for another day.
Damn, some people really are stupid. This does not negate the petition process in any way. It fines people for ABUSING and MISUSEING the process. Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves at the 41 + 2 idiots. IMHO.
the time has come

Little Rock, AR

#15 Dec 18, 2008
Having the loser in a suit pay for the legal expenses of the person that wins is a great idea because 1) it would put an end to frivilous lawsuits because cases with little chance of wining would never be brought, and 2) those with a real legitiment case could spend as much money as they want knowing that, when they win, the legal fees would be reimbursed.

On the other hand, citizens should be able to take action against their government without fear of being financially ruined. Otherwise, the only way to go up against the government is in active rebellion or armed revolution as our forefathers did in 1776 and like the south did in the 19th century. With governments running amok all over America at every level (federal, state and local), maybe a little citizen action is called for.
John Saucier

Newport News, VA

#16 Dec 18, 2008
I signed the petition. Where, & to whom, do I send my money. 6000 signers can cover $ 80,000 with no problem.We will not abandon these fine people!!!
These tyrants can be removed at the Ballot Box!
what if

Hayes, VA

#17 Dec 18, 2008
can the 40 sue Hicks and the SGJ, saying they relied on them to investigate the laws before bring the charges. if the 40 can prove that they were not part of but followed the lead of. Only part of that is a X BOS was part of the 40, he should have known the rules. Some of the ole bos's were social clubs and just let Whitley do what he wanted, instead of telling Whitley what to do.
Just appeal it

Suffolk, VA

#18 Dec 18, 2008
The case needs to be appealed without question. But I think it is a mistake to align yourselves with the ACLU. Take a gander at their website and then decide if you want to jump in bed with them.

It is difficult to believe that all forty people want to just `put it behind them'. Surely there is at least one who wants to appeal this clear violation of our constitutional rights.

You can't give in to political terrorism now. There have been calls for donations to help pay the fines. This would be money better spent paying for an appeal. Surely, everyone realizes how wrong the judges decision is. All citizens of Gloucester County need to be concerned and mad as hell. As big of a problem as we may have had with corrupt Supervisors, this verdict is far more disconcerting.

The Supervisor's lawyers are depending on this verdict to scare away possible appeals. DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED! We have to push this on through the system. This is the type of story that Neal Bortz and Rush Limbaugh love to talk about on National radio. Do not give in to undue pressure. FIGHT ON!
what if

Hayes, VA

#19 Dec 18, 2008
Just appeal it wrote:
The case needs to be appealed without question. But I think it is a mistake to align yourselves with the ACLU. Take a gander at their website and then decide if you want to jump in bed with them.
It is difficult to believe that all forty people want to just `put it behind them'. Surely there is at least one who wants to appeal this clear violation of our constitutional rights.
You can't give in to political terrorism now. There have been calls for donations to help pay the fines. This would be money better spent paying for an appeal. Surely, everyone realizes how wrong the judges decision is. All citizens of Gloucester County need to be concerned and mad as hell. As big of a problem as we may have had with corrupt Supervisors, this verdict is far more disconcerting.
The Supervisor's lawyers are depending on this verdict to scare away possible appeals. DO NOT BE INTIMIDATED! We have to push this on through the system. This is the type of story that Neal Bortz and Rush Limbaugh love to talk about on National radio. Do not give in to undue pressure. FIGHT ON!
did you read what the judge said, you do understand that he said the 40 and Hicks abused the judicial system, not the FAB-4 or their lawyers, clearly you need to read it again
Jim

Williamsburg, VA

#20 Dec 18, 2008
what if wrote:
<quoted text>did you read what the judge said, you do understand that he said the 40 and Hicks abused the judicial system, not the FAB-4 or their lawyers, clearly you need to read it again
Do you understand that judges are often dead wrong in their opinions, and that the ruling of a first-level judge on matters of this magnitude are often overturned on appeal? It seems that when they lose in the legal process, this group is all about appeals, but when they win one, the verdict is final.

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