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PO GUEST ESSAY: Smarter corrections will save money, communities

There are 71 comments on the Public Opinion story from May 27, 2011, titled PO GUEST ESSAY: Smarter corrections will save money, communities. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

One of the more disquieting complaints about Gov. Tom Corbett's proposed state budget was on a sign carried by one of the people who came out recently to protest the cuts.

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Pete

Greencastle, PA

#1 May 28, 2011
A work program like the CCC of the 1930s that also includes training may offer a solution going forward.
The current model permits young people to dropout of school and subsequently become a burden on society because seventy percent of inmates enter the system with less than a 12th grade reading level.

Since: May 11

Fayetteville, PA

#2 May 28, 2011
Boy, that didn't take long.

Going from our local warden to Corbett's lap dog.

I guess by John's logic, public school enrollment drops 10% next year.

I wonder, how does education & prison population relate?

Well, John thinks its important as he educates those in prison to help prevents return visits.

One would think, that if this education was applied before, that some would not end up in prison in the first place.

So exactly how does this make sense? Significantly cut education while helping those in prison.

John, that sign toter was right.
Independent

Chambersburg, PA

#4 May 28, 2011
RealDave wrote:
Boy, that didn't take long.
Going from our local warden to Corbett's lap dog.
I guess by John's logic, public school enrollment drops 10% next year.
I wonder, how does education & prison population relate?
Well, John thinks its important as he educates those in prison to help prevents return visits.
One would think, that if this education was applied before, that some would not end up in prison in the first place.
So exactly how does this make sense? Significantly cut education while helping those in prison.
John, that sign toter was right.
Apparently Wetzel favors the "pound of cure" approach...
heardenough

Chambersburg, PA

#5 May 28, 2011
Hello John,

I like your statement" can we change criminal behavioral by other means"?

My wife comes up with lots of ideas and suggestions but never offers solutions.

Bro. Paul Mentzer and I have the proven solution
but sadly the State and many others do not accept our methods.

You may remember the discipleship program we started about a year ago. It has yielded some measure of success.

Helping people change their minds about certain things only have temporary success and that is why so many repeat. We have to reach the heart of man where the real living comes from. When we change the heart we change the man.

There is only one way the heart of man can be changed and we brought the answer into the Franklin County Jail. I'M not taking anything away from all the good that all the other volunteers bring, and some are very good at what they do.

However there is only one answer and it has been around for a long, long time.

E-mail me or call and we can discuss it. Maybe I'll send you an e-mail in case you do not get to read this blog.

Bro. Ed Rensch; Phil.2:5
Selena

Chambersburg, PA

#6 May 28, 2011
RealDave wrote:
Boy, that didn't take long.
Going from our local warden to Corbett's lap dog.
I guess by John's logic, public school enrollment drops 10% next year.
I wonder, how does education & prison population relate?
Well, John thinks its important as he educates those in prison to help prevents return visits.
One would think, that if this education was applied before, that some would not end up in prison in the first place.
So exactly how does this make sense? Significantly cut education while helping those in prison.
John, that sign toter was right.
Get rid of Manito. it's a useless program that teaches "troubled" kids that they don't have to do anything aka "work at your own pace", no homework, and early dismissal on Fridays.
If the kid's a trouble maker they don't need to be coddled like that, it sets them up for failure and prison term later on when "real life" hits them.
I'll many of the current residents in prison went thru such a program while in school. We need to nip the bad behavior before it really takes a hold.
More confused

Carlisle, PA

#7 May 28, 2011
The problem with society and the current Corrections system is that it is just that; a system in need of correction. Our methods create more problems than they solve. Our Legislatures create new laws at the drop of a hat to combat problems rather than taking any real steps to correct them. If an animal becomes a threat to the community it is hunted and killed. Wolves or other predators have their place in the natural order; however when they threaten our flocks or our population they must be dealt with. The same is true of violent criminals; they must be DEALT WITH. That DOES NOT mean locking them in a cell and paying someone to provide Care, Custody, and Control. We lock up ever increasing numbers of these folks in an environment that only serves to bread contempt for a corrupt system and for the society that treats them this way. We should take a very hard look at all the unnecessary laws on the books and remove the ones we don't need or are just plain wrong. Then we should expand capital crimes to include Rape, Child Molesting, Armed Robbery, Bank Robbery, along with ALL grades of Murder. If you think I'm being harsh; would you rather be locked in a cage for the rest of your natural life or put to Death? To quote Patrick Henry; "Give me Liberty or give me death." If we stop locking up people that don't need to be locked up let alone prosecuted and put down the ones that need to be put down we could go back to local jails the size of the vacant one on Franklin Farm Lane. We should stop trying to correct and start punishing them. Jail and Prison should PUNISH; then they will CORRECT their own behavior because they won't want to come back.

Return to Public Stocks and the like for non violent crimes like Public Drunkenness; DUI; Petty Theft; Harassment; and the like. Ring the Square with them and let them sit in a public venue for their crimes and be humiliated for what they have done. Shame can be a very powerful motivator; as can a good dose of humiliation. Costs the community less too.

Bottom line don't do the crime and don't spend the time.

Since: Dec 09

Chambersburg, PA

#8 May 28, 2011
If the Corbett administration gives Wetzel the power he needs to make positive changes in the corrections system, we can expect an improved DOC. However as has been pointed out, legislators make the laws.

We need new legislators....an idea that is too difficult for many Franklin County voters to comprehend.
Smart As

Mercersburg, PA

#9 May 28, 2011
More confused wrote:
The problem with society and the current Corrections system is that it is just that; a system in need of correction. Our methods create more problems than they solve. Our Legislatures create new laws at the drop of a hat to combat problems rather than taking any real steps to correct them. If an animal becomes a threat to the community it is hunted and killed. Wolves or other predators have their place in the natural order; however when they threaten our flocks or our population they must be dealt with. The same is true of violent criminals; they must be DEALT WITH. That DOES NOT mean locking them in a cell and paying someone to provide Care, Custody, and Control. We lock up ever increasing numbers of these folks in an environment that only serves to bread contempt for a corrupt system and for the society that treats them this way. We should take a very hard look at all the unnecessary laws on the books and remove the ones we don't need or are just plain wrong. Then we should expand capital crimes to include Rape, Child Molesting, Armed Robbery, Bank Robbery, along with ALL grades of Murder. If you think I'm being harsh; would you rather be locked in a cage for the rest of your natural life or put to Death? To quote Patrick Henry; "Give me Liberty or give me death." If we stop locking up people that don't need to be locked up let alone prosecuted and put down the ones that need to be put down we could go back to local jails the size of the vacant one on Franklin Farm Lane. We should stop trying to correct and start punishing them. Jail and Prison should PUNISH; then they will CORRECT their own behavior because they won't want to come back.
Return to Public Stocks and the like for non violent crimes like Public Drunkenness; DUI; Petty Theft; Harassment; and the like. Ring the Square with them and let them sit in a public venue for their crimes and be humiliated for what they have done. Shame can be a very powerful motivator; as can a good dose of humiliation. Costs the community less too.
Bottom line don't do the crime and don't spend the time.
I couldn't agree more ! Take the violent ones Fishing with Fredo !!!
Walid

Greencastle, PA

#10 May 28, 2011
The nation of Saudi Arabia deals with murderers, drug dealers, etc., by beheading them. No life in prison. Taxpayers don't support psychopathic killers while they are in prison for life. The head is taken off.
American worker

Mercersburg, PA

#11 May 28, 2011
I guess you don't refer to yourself as a right to life advocate.
LIL JOHN

Carlisle, PA

#12 May 28, 2011
American worker wrote:
I guess you don't refer to yourself as a right to life advocate.
With that , you just exposed yourself as a true idiot!
American worker

Mercersburg, PA

#13 May 28, 2011
LIL JOHN wrote:
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With that , you just exposed yourself as a true idiot!
The good thing for you is you don't have to expose yourself, we already know that you are an idiot.
BIG JOE

Williamsport, PA

#14 May 28, 2011
LIL JOHN wrote:
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With that , you just exposed yourself as a true idiot!
Really, dont all right to lifers believe that all people have a right to live regardless of what happens, Is it a forign concept to believe that all people can be saved and reform their ways? I beleive that if those prisoners turn to Jesus Christ and his teachings they can, renounce their former sinful lives, and become productive members of society, Christ is THE key
American worker

Mercersburg, PA

#16 May 28, 2011
LIL JOHN wrote:
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Tell us 'union moron' just what is the right to life movement-- you don't seem to have a clue!
Were you educated by a union teacher?
I got a great education from my union teacher. You must have been home schooled since you are too stupid to know that all life is sacred.

Still pecking up those crumbs from the richman's table?
LIL JOHN

Carlisle, PA

#17 May 28, 2011
American worker wrote:
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I got a great education from my union teacher. You must have been home schooled since you are too stupid to know that all life is sacred.
Still pecking up those crumbs from the richman's table?
Then why don't you know what 'right to life; really means?

Face it -- you've been slammed -- now quick look it up !

It just goes to show how much of an ignoramus you truly are!
American worker

Mercersburg, PA

#18 May 28, 2011
LIL JOHN wrote:
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Then why don't you know what 'right to life; really means?
Face it -- you've been slammed -- now quick look it up !
It just goes to show how much of an ignoramus you truly are!
When are you going to realize that only stupid people are Conservatives?
LIL JOHN

Carlisle, PA

#19 May 28, 2011
American worker wrote:
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When are you going to realize that only stupid people are Conservatives?
None of us made the comment that you just did !
LOLOLL
Carol

Scranton, PA

#20 May 29, 2011
American worker wrote:
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I got a great education from my union teacher. You must have been home schooled since you are too stupid to know that all life is sacred.
Still pecking up those crumbs from the richman's table?
Class warfare? Vladimir Lenin would be proud of you.

Since: May 11

Fayetteville, PA

#21 May 29, 2011
LIL JOHN wrote:
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Then why don't you know what 'right to life; really means?
Face it -- you've been slammed -- now quick look it up !
It just goes to show how much of an ignoramus you truly are!
The phrase "right to life" would not support the death penalty.

The"right to Life" organizations may use the phrase but they only adopt the aspects that fir their political agendas.
American worker

Mercersburg, PA

#22 May 29, 2011
Carol wrote:
<quoted text>Class warfare? Vladimir Lenin would be proud of you.
Class warfare is less a fact of life in Russia than it is in this country. Wake up and smell the coffee, working class America has become a disposable commodity. We pay the nations's bills, only our children fight in the nation's wars and rich people demand all of the profits.

That's not Marx or Lenin. That's just the truth.

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