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Aides in Columbus schools' abuse probe also accused of failing to report incident

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#1 May 11, 2012
CCS has some big Special Education problems. They have long resisted seeing students with special needs as regular education students first and special education students second. As a result there is an ongoing tension regarding ways to get them further and further away from the regular classroom. So they end up with a heavy reliance on things like seclusion rooms and the use of poorly-trained and low-paid aides to "handle" these kids outside the classroom. With predictable results.
Oliver Twist

Lewis Center, OH

#2 May 11, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
CCS has some big Special Education problems. They have long resisted seeing students with special needs as regular education students first and special education students second. As a result there is an ongoing tension regarding ways to get them further and further away from the regular classroom. So they end up with a heavy reliance on things like seclusion rooms and the use of poorly-trained and low-paid aides to "handle" these kids outside the classroom. With predictable results.
This is a first!

I'm mildly surprised that you would criticize Gene Harris (despite her incompetence)in any way since she's a liberal, Black and a Socialist who believes in entitlement, redistribution of wealth, blame Whitey for any and everything and big, bigger and biggest government.

Are you becoming a fair and balanced conservative?

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#3 May 11, 2012
Oliver Twist wrote:
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This is a first!
I'm mildly surprised that you would criticize Gene Harris (despite her incompetence)in any way since she's a liberal, Black and a Socialist who believes in entitlement, redistribution of wealth, blame Whitey for any and everything and big, bigger and biggest government.
Are you becoming a fair and balanced conservative?
Twisty, I am who I have always been--sorry it doesn't fit your pre-conception of me.

Nor does your preconception of Gene Harris match up to what I have seen of her. She may be a liberal (really don't know), but she is far from a socialist. All the rest of that caricature you can save for the comics.

As it happens I don't think much of her--although I have occasionally applauded her choices.

But the issues with Special Education predate Harris by a good many years. If anything, conditions have improved slightly--primarily because the district is held accountable for the test scores of students with disabilities.

Students with disabilities, like those who speak English as a second language or those whose parents are not together, don't have jobs or face other challenges are easily made the scapegoat in struggling systems. Gene Harris walked into a district that had a good many issues--financial, staffing and otherwise. When she came in she cracked the whip and worked at cleaning up some messes. Necessary work.

However, what she has never been able to do is to present a cohesive developmental vision to the community, let alone engage parents and the community at large in developing such a vision. As a result, when funds were available to build buildings (which were absolutely needed), a building plan was put together that did not account for population changes. Primarily it looked to replace old buildings with new buildings. Consequently when faced with population loss and the need to close buildings, it became hap-hazard. It didn't make sense to close new buildings. As a result, some buildings that showed academic growth and acheivement were disrupted.

It's about time for Gene to retire. I don't know if the current Board is up to the challenge of hiring a new Supt. with a sense of vision. Still trying to get a sense of how they work together.
Buckeye Bill Boss

Lewis Center, OH

#4 May 11, 2012
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Twisty, I am who I have always been--sorry it doesn't fit your pre-conception of me.
Nor does your preconception of Gene Harris match up to what I have seen of her. She may be a liberal (really don't know), but she is far from a socialist. All the rest of that caricature you can save for the comics.
As it happens I don't think much of her--although I have occasionally applauded her choices.
But the issues with Special Education predate Harris by a good many years. If anything, conditions have improved slightly--primarily because the district is held accountable for the test scores of students with disabilities.
Students with disabilities, like those who speak English as a second language or those whose parents are not together, don't have jobs or face other challenges are easily made the scapegoat in struggling systems. Gene Harris walked into a district that had a good many issues--financial, staffing and otherwise. When she came in she cracked the whip and worked at cleaning up some messes. Necessary work.
However, what she has never been able to do is to present a cohesive developmental vision to the community, let alone engage parents and the community at large in developing such a vision. As a result, when funds were available to build buildings (which were absolutely needed), a building plan was put together that did not account for population changes. Primarily it looked to replace old buildings with new buildings. Consequently when faced with population loss and the need to close buildings, it became hap-hazard. It didn't make sense to close new buildings. As a result, some buildings that showed academic growth and acheivement were disrupted.
It's about time for Gene to retire. I don't know if the current Board is up to the challenge of hiring a new Supt. with a sense of vision. Still trying to get a sense of how they work together.
Reader says, It's about time for Gene to retire.

OT says, "Agree".

Reader says, " Twisty, I am who I have always been--sorry it doesn't fit your pre-conception of me.

OT says, "Disagree". "You fit almost all the stereotypes of a big government liberal" in other words, "You are who I thought you were."
Oliver Twist

Lewis Center, OH

#5 May 11, 2012
Reader says, It's about time for Gene to retire.

OT says, "Agree".

Reader says, " Twisty, I am who I have always been--sorry it doesn't fit your pre-conception of me.

OT says, "Disagree". "You fit almost all the stereotypes of a big government liberal" in other words, "You are who I thought you were."

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#6 May 11, 2012
OT says, Oops, forgot to change my posting name.
hey now

Columbus, OH

#7 May 11, 2012
With all of the child rapists and pedophiles and sex criminals and batterers in the schools these days, an examination that does not include a rape kit is prima facie evidence of a cover up of a pedophile ring. Seclusion rooms? Is that progressice code for sex chamber?

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#8 May 14, 2012
hey now wrote:
Seclusion rooms? Is that progressice code for sex chamber?
Nope, conservative code for "we let the kid come to school, now you want us to educate him, too?"
hey now

Columbus, OH

#9 May 14, 2012
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Nope, conservative code for "we let the kid come to school, now you want us to educate him, too?"
Since when have you filthy progressives allowed anything remotely conservative anywhere near a school? Er, we besides the 'conservative' Islam.

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#10 May 14, 2012
hey now wrote:
<quoted text>Since when have you filthy progressives allowed anything remotely conservative anywhere near a school? Er, we besides the 'conservative' Islam.
It would seem that the "why don't people like that just stay home," school of thought regarding students with disabilities has more support on the right than the left. You know, providing more public dollars for some just because they have special needs, why should the government provide, why can't their families just accept responsibility, all that. Doesn't ring any bells?
hey now

Columbus, OH

#11 May 14, 2012
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It would seem that the "why don't people like that just stay home," school of thought regarding students with disabilities has more support on the right than the left. You know, providing more public dollars for some just because they have special needs, why should the government provide, why can't their families just accept responsibility, all that. Doesn't ring any bells?
Nice job of distracting from the beatdown the child recieved...
Nice job of distracting from the beatdown the special needs child recieved
Nice job of distracting from the beatdown the special needs child recieved in the seclusion room.

Hey are you going to start bullhorning about gay marriage and free condoms? Your filthy ilk needs to change the subject, doesn't it.

Hey did I ask, "Why are you changing the subject of a special needs student getting a beatdown in a seclusion room at school?" and "Parents are so pleased you've showed up to change the subject!"

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#12 May 14, 2012
hey now wrote:
<quoted text>Nice job of distracting from the beatdown the child recieved...
Nice job of distracting from the beatdown the special needs child recieved
Nice job of distracting from the beatdown the special needs child recieved in the seclusion room.
Hey are you going to start bullhorning about gay marriage and free condoms? Your filthy ilk needs to change the subject, doesn't it.
Hey did I ask, "Why are you changing the subject of a special needs student getting a beatdown in a seclusion room at school?" and "Parents are so pleased you've showed up to change the subject!"
In fact, I was the first responder to this thread, and bumped it up again today because I am VERY concerned about the beat-down the kid received.

However, you see the beat-down as the direct result of "progressivism" that you believe is ruling public education. Progressives are mean, bad people. Progressives run education. Therefore special education students get bet up when they go to school.

In fact, it is people who are MORE progressive who argue for that kid's right to a public education, and a right not to get beat on in school. Meanwhile there are conservative voices aplenty proclaiming that beating on kids is the best way to teach them, that if more parents beat on their kids at home they wouldn't have problems in school, that kids who have problems in school really just have bad parents who aren't raising them right, and that society has no obligation to provide adequate care for kids or adults with disabilities--their families should provide (with possible assistance from churches).

So--what are you proposing we do to ensure that kids with disabilities get an education and don't get beat on (or put into seclusion rooms)?
hey now

Columbus, OH

#13 May 14, 2012
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So--what are you proposing we do to ensure that kids with disabilities get an education and don't get beat on (or put into seclusion rooms)?
Get rid of the progressive filth.

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#14 May 14, 2012
hey now wrote:
<quoted text>Get rid of the progressive filth.
OK, hn, I'm going to stay rational with you.

By "progressive filth," I will assume, based on your previous postings, that you mean the entire teaching profession as well as anyone who has ever worked in a school.

So--we'll pretend that such a massive removal is possible. Say, tomorrow.

What next? What happens on Wednesday?
Oliver Twist

Lewis Center, OH

#15 May 14, 2012
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In fact, I was the first responder to this thread, and bumped it up again today because I am VERY concerned about the beat-down the kid received.
However, you see the beat-down as the direct result of "progressivism" that you believe is ruling public education. Progressives are mean, bad people. Progressives run education. Therefore special education students get bet up when they go to school.
In fact, it is people who are MORE progressive who argue for that kid's right to a public education, and a right not to get beat on in school. Meanwhile there are conservative voices aplenty proclaiming that beating on kids is the best way to teach them, that if more parents beat on their kids at home they wouldn't have problems in school, that kids who have problems in school really just have bad parents who aren't raising them right, and that society has no obligation to provide adequate care for kids or adults with disabilities--their families should provide (with possible assistance from churches).
So--what are you proposing we do to ensure that kids with disabilities get an education and don't get beat on (or put into seclusion rooms)?
White Flight has led to Urban Blight, Columbus City schools are becoming more "ghetto” each day where teachers are struggling to maintain order and survive.

You liberals should have never fought so hard for stupid "busing" which forced the top flight parents out to the suburbs.

Go tell Bozo the Clown Gene Harris to get busy and fix the problem. NOT!

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#16 May 14, 2012
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White Flight has led to Urban Blight, Columbus City schools are becoming more "ghetto” each day where teachers are struggling to maintain order and survive.
You liberals should have never fought so hard for stupid "busing" which forced the top flight parents out to the suburbs.
Go tell Bozo the Clown Gene Harris to get busy and fix the problem. NOT!
Racism led to white flight. Nobody forced anyone to the suburbs. People made their own choices, and they were fear-based choices, pushed by housing developers and realtors, if anyone.

But regarding students with disabilities as systemic step-children is by no means unique to urban systems. If anything, urban districts ought to be somewhat better able to respond simply because of the economies of scale.

The use of seclusion rooms for students with disabilities has recently come to national attention because it is symptomatic of pervasive beliefs that 1) certain students cannot be "dealt with" in the regular classroom; 2) non-disabled students (also sometimes referred to as the ones who "really want to learn") have a greater right to education than those who are more difficult; and 3) students cannot be effectively "disciplined" without a system of punishment, preferably corporal.
hey now

Columbus, OH

#17 May 14, 2012
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What happens on Wednesday?
Clean up. Then deprogramming. And then branding of all filthy progressives who were convicted of crimes against the Republic.
Oliver Twist

Lewis Center, OH

#18 May 14, 2012
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Racism led to white flight. Nobody forced anyone to the suburbs. People made their own choices, and they were fear-based choices, pushed by housing developers and realtors, if anyone.
But regarding students with disabilities as systemic step-children is by no means unique to urban systems. If anything, urban districts ought to be somewhat better able to respond simply because of the economies of scale.
The use of seclusion rooms for students with disabilities has recently come to national attention because it is symptomatic of pervasive beliefs that 1) certain students cannot be "dealt with" in the regular classroom; 2) non-disabled students (also sometimes referred to as the ones who "really want to learn") have a greater right to education than those who are more difficult; and 3) students cannot be effectively "disciplined" without a system of punishment, preferably corporal.
White parents fled to the suburbs to protect their children from the type of primal violence that is pervasive in inner city urban schools.

Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#19 May 14, 2012
It's a blackboard jungle out there.

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#20 May 14, 2012
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White parents fled to the suburbs to protect their children from the type of primal violence that is pervasive in inner city urban schools.
Families fled based on a fear that going to school with black children would be harmful for their children. The specifics took a a variety of forms. Some feared that educational values would be sacrified. Some feared violence--either due to your "primal" view or due to black/white agitation. Some feared loss of control if the school population changed.

Recall that the basis for school segregation to begin with was to ensure a favored status for those who had always been favored. Desegregation threatened that favored position.

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