Critics blast drug testing to get welfare

May 16, 2012 Read more: The Columbus Dispatch 65

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Sheik Yerbouti

Lambertville, NJ

#1 May 16, 2012
More class warfare rethug style! Since gop lawmakers receive taxpayer money and we pay for their health care I say test every lawmaker often especially for the lethal drug known as alcohol!
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#2 May 16, 2012
So what's wrong with taking drug tests for free money?
Reality

Bellows Falls, VT

#3 May 16, 2012
watch how they tell you that anyone who took the test passed so its not even effective...and watch them bury the stats on how many refused to take the test...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#4 May 16, 2012
That's pretty much what they did in Florida. They reported that most passed the drug tests. What they didn't tell you is that they were not random drug tests like working people have to take. They were scheduled tests giving any recipient plenty of time to clean themselves up.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#5 May 17, 2012
I am all for testing our lawmakers; or anyone else whom wants to take tax dollars for that matter. We can start with corperate welfare receipiants since they take far larger indiviual %.

Too bad a law like that has yet to be purposed anywhere yet; it is just all focus on the poor. No one asked the too big to fail banks to pee in a cup. seems to me that those are the ones you should be worried about doing drugs...
Who

Stockton, CA

#6 May 17, 2012
Of course liberals don't want drug testing to get welfare because the majority of blacks would instantly be denied, no such thing as a black person who doesn't smoke weed.

Besides liberals want as many people on drugs and welfare as possible - that's their control device.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#7 May 17, 2012
Asking politicians to make a law so they themselves have to be drug tested is like trying to tell a cop he should give himself a ticket for speeding.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#8 May 18, 2012
"Of course liberals don't want drug testing to get welfare because the majority of blacks would instantly be denied, no such thing as a black person who doesn't smoke weed.

Besides liberals want as many people on drugs and welfare as possible - that's their control device"

I would rather be a liberal then a moron like yourself.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#9 May 18, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
Asking politicians to make a law so they themselves have to be drug tested is like trying to tell a cop he should give himself a ticket for speeding.
You are correct here. But why is it just for welfare recipents they are always targeting? Why is it they (republicans) do not ever bring up drug testing corperate welfare recipients? Those indiviual entities get a much larger portion of tax dollars than a family on welfare.

And i will support drug testing for welfare once we start drug testing EVERYONE whom recieves tax payer dollars.
Who

Wyoming, MI

#10 May 18, 2012
Lamer wrote:
"Of course liberals don't want drug testing to get welfare because the majority of blacks would instantly be denied, no such thing as a black person who doesn't smoke weed.
Besides liberals want as many people on drugs and welfare as possible - that's their control device"
I would rather be a liberal then a moron like yourself.
Of course you would because being stupid is easier.

Prove me wrong then asshole. Show me proof that what I stated is false, no liberal ever can.

You're probably against drug testing to get welfare because you think the taxpayers should support you while you smoke weed and sit on your ass all day.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#11 May 18, 2012
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct here. But why is it just for welfare recipents they are always targeting? Why is it they (republicans) do not ever bring up drug testing corperate welfare recipients? Those indiviual entities get a much larger portion of tax dollars than a family on welfare.
And i will support drug testing for welfare once we start drug testing EVERYONE whom recieves tax payer dollars.
Why should we not test corporate welfare recipients? Because there are none. Government doesn't give corporations money. Corporations gives government money. All government can do is take less of their money.

Besides that, welfare people offer nothing to society. Most of them take without putting anything in. They are a burden on the taxpayer and society itself. On the other hand, where would we be without businesses? If every business left the US, the country would collapse. If every welfare recipient left the US, nobody would miss them.

If the guy who pays me to work for him makes me take random drug tests, why should the taxpayers who pay welfare people to stay home not insist on the same?

Since: Aug 11

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#12 May 18, 2012
End Corporate Welfare

http://reason.com/archives/2011/03/24/end-cor...

Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs

About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs.$92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006.

http://thinkbynumbers.org/blog/government-spe...

Since: Aug 11

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#13 May 18, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
So what's wrong with taking drug tests for free money?
I see nothing wrong with it because I would bet that a majority of the recipients would test positive for illegal drug use and that is the main reason why they cant gain employment and are living off the system at least if we drug tested recipients for illegal drug they could be denied benefits and the system would see a drop for sure.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#14 May 19, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>I see nothing wrong with it because I would bet that a majority of the recipients would test positive for illegal drug use and that is the main reason why they cant gain employment and are living off the system at least if we drug tested recipients for illegal drug they could be denied benefits and the system would see a drop for sure.
More than that, users want to continue using. If they can't use while on welfare, some might get a job where there is no drug testing to continue their habit. One of the reasons many stay on welfare and food stamps is because there is no incentive to get off the systems. I not only think that they should drug test for welfare, but for any government assistance programs such as HUD, Medicaid and food stamps.

The big difference between conservative and liberal views on public assistance is how recipients are looked at. When a liberal thinks of poor people, he or she imagines a family of five sitting at the dinner table below a light hanging from wires with a 40 watt bulb screwed in. Dad is beat from working his fingers to the bone, and mom is adding more water in the soup to make it last longer.

When conservatives think of the poor, we see a family of eight where the mother had children the entire time while living off our taxes. They are in a middle-class suburb living in a HUD home, and their heat is on 82 in the middle of winter. They never turn it down even when they leave the house because they are not paying the bill. The mother is usually fat and the kids not far behind because they are siting there playing video games all day or watching cable television.

The only way liberals and conservatives will ever see eye to eye on social programs is if they are only given to those who truly need it--and not those who are working the system. Random drug testing can help to accomplish that goal because the truly needy would never spend money on drugs.

Since: Sep 08

Placitas, NM

#15 May 19, 2012
Drug testing is smiply another example of the 'conservative', anti-science Repukes pissing away money because they believe in myths.

The Tampa Tribune did some simple math about the efforts in FL. The results demonstrated how costly the demeaning, punitive and insulting plan is to the taxpayers!.

"Cost of the tests averages about $30. Assuming that 1,000 to 1,500 applicants take the test every month, the state will owe about $28,800-$43,200 monthly in reimbursements to those who test drug-free.

"That compares with roughly $32,200-$48,200 the state may save on one month’s worth of rejected applicants.

"Net savings to the state:$3,400 to $5,000 annually on one month’s worth of rejected applicants. Over 12 months, the money saved on all rejected applicants would add up to $40,800 to $60,000 for a program that state analysts have predicted will cost $178 million this fiscal year.

http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2011/aug/24...

Since: Sep 08

Placitas, NM

#16 May 19, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>I see nothing wrong with it because I would bet that a majority of the recipients would test positive for illegal drug use and that is the main reason why they cant gain employment and are living off the system at least if we drug tested recipients for illegal drug they could be denied benefits and the system would see a drop for sure.
You'd lose your bet. There's not a study one anywhere that would support your stupid and ignorant statements. You are guilty of projection....just because you'd like to do it, doesn't mean the average person would or does.

Nor is there any studies -that I have been able to find- that demonstrates any cost savings to drug testing. And I'll bet you couldn't find one either.
Cat74

Mchenry, IL

#17 May 19, 2012
The too big to fail banks provide jobs, jobs we desperately, and the generations of welfare people do not. If they want Welfare money for the children they have had to get additional money from the government they should be ready to pee in a cup. They provide nothing. We have no money for drugs, cigarettes, and beer. Give them what they need for the children, and let them use it for drugs? No.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#18 May 19, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
More than that, users want to continue using. If they can't use while on welfare, some might get a job where there is no drug testing to continue their habit. One of the reasons many stay on welfare and food stamps is because there is no incentive to get off the systems. I not only think that they should drug test for welfare, but for any government assistance programs such as HUD, Medicaid and food stamps.
The big difference between conservative and liberal views on public assistance is how recipients are looked at. When a liberal thinks of poor people, he or she imagines a family of five sitting at the dinner table below a light hanging from wires with a 40 watt bulb screwed in. Dad is beat from working his fingers to the bone, and mom is adding more water in the soup to make it last longer.
When conservatives think of the poor, we see a family of eight where the mother had children the entire time while living off our taxes. They are in a middle-class suburb living in a HUD home, and their heat is on 82 in the middle of winter. They never turn it down even when they leave the house because they are not paying the bill. The mother is usually fat and the kids not far behind because they are siting there playing video games all day or watching cable television.
The only way liberals and conservatives will ever see eye to eye on social programs is if they are only given to those who truly need it--and not those who are working the system. Random drug testing can help to accomplish that goal because the truly needy would never spend money on drugs.
I agree, even how liberal & conservative view on how public assistance recipeient looks like in theory. Biggest problem I had with the Welfare reform with Gingrich was basically they turned the Welfare system into another Subsidized program for employers to allow and help employers so they would be able to pay lower wages to their employees and increase their bottom line at the time which I seen plenty of this around the US and that is why I have problems with those so called conservatives & liberals. I know people who call themselves conservative and live in section 8 subsidized housing for elderly and dont need it and owns a house besides but they are conservatives. but that is why I dont buy this conservative and liberal BS which has been replaced by people refering to themselves as Capitalist, Communist, & Socialist, which todays Conservatives & Liberals are the new Socialist.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#19 May 19, 2012
PlacitasRoy wrote:
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You'd lose your bet. There's not a study one anywhere that would support your stupid and ignorant statements. You are guilty of projection....just because you'd like to do it, doesn't mean the average person would or does.
Nor is there any studies -that I have been able to find- that demonstrates any cost savings to drug testing. And I'll bet you couldn't find one either.
go work around some of them and listen to talk I have overheard them tell what they do, and trust me they werent to work because they wanted too.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#20 May 19, 2012
PlacitasRoy wrote:
Drug testing is smiply another example of the 'conservative', anti-science Repukes pissing away money because they believe in myths.
The Tampa Tribune did some simple math about the efforts in FL. The results demonstrated how costly the demeaning, punitive and insulting plan is to the taxpayers!.
"Cost of the tests averages about $30. Assuming that 1,000 to 1,500 applicants take the test every month, the state will owe about $28,800-$43,200 monthly in reimbursements to those who test drug-free.
"That compares with roughly $32,200-$48,200 the state may save on one month’s worth of rejected applicants.
"Net savings to the state:$3,400 to $5,000 annually on one month’s worth of rejected applicants. Over 12 months, the money saved on all rejected applicants would add up to $40,800 to $60,000 for a program that state analysts have predicted will cost $178 million this fiscal year.
http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2011/aug/24...
That's because they are not random drug tests. I could use drugs too if I knew around what times of the year I would be tested. But when I'm tested, I get two minutes of warning to get in my car and make it to the clinic which is about ten minutes from my shop.

I'm a truck driver, and because of that, I'm under federal regulation to get tested at random. My employer doesn't even like it because he has to foot the bill for those tests. Did anybody ever do a study on truck drivers, what it costs a company or taxpayers, and what savings or loss in involved with testing truck drivers?

If the government says I have to get tested to work, why should they not say that government assistance people get tested too? If I have to take pee tests to make money, everybody who is under the government umbrella should have to do the same.

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