Magistrate Says Forsyth Prayer Policy Unconstitutional

Nov 11, 2009 Full story: WGHP 6

A federal magistrate has recommended that prayers referencing Jesus and other sectarian deities made before meetings of the Forsyth County Commissioners are unconstitutional.

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Praying Patriot

High Point, NC

#1 Nov 12, 2009
What is wrong with these judges and others like them? Prayer before federal, state and local government proceedings has been taking place since the founding of our nation. "In God We Trust" is emblazoned on our buildings and on our money.

Those who wrote the U.S. Constitution did not have a problem with prayer at government proceedings they themselves prayed for guidance.

Nor did our founders insert some purported Constitutional restriction regarding "Separation of Church and State." That's a distorted idea found nowhere in the Constitution that has been taken out of context from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. Yet "Separation of Church and State" is held as "holy writ" (no pun intended) by those who grasp every remote thread of presumed logic and "evidence" to support their all-out assault on religious free speech.

If we don't fight this increasingly encroaching threat on prayer in the public arena and upon religious free speech in other arenas we will one day find that the tyranny of the intolerant, atheistic few has changed the United States of America into a hollow shell of a once-great and free nation.
Fabioso

Tallahassee, FL

#2 Nov 12, 2009
Praying Patriot wrote:
What is wrong with these judges and others like them? Prayer before federal, state and local government proceedings has been taking place since the founding of our nation. "In God We Trust" is emblazoned on our buildings and on our money.
Those who wrote the U.S. Constitution did not have a problem with prayer at government proceedings they themselves prayed for guidance.
Nor did our founders insert some purported Constitutional restriction regarding "Separation of Church and State." That's a distorted idea found nowhere in the Constitution that has been taken out of context from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. Yet "Separation of Church and State" is held as "holy writ" (no pun intended) by those who grasp every remote thread of presumed logic and "evidence" to support their all-out assault on religious free speech.
If we don't fight this increasingly encroaching threat on prayer in the public arena and upon religious free speech in other arenas we will one day find that the tyranny of the intolerant, atheistic few has changed the United States of America into a hollow shell of a once-great and free nation.
There is nothing at all wrong with the judges. They are following the law. Very likely, these judges are churchgoing Christians themselves.

Your diatribe above is, unfortunately, pretty typical of the Religious Right. Dishonest, misinformed and ignorant of constitutional law.

Just another thumper that cannot tell the difference between the Free Exercise and Establishment clauses...
Ripple

Eden, NC

#3 Feb 2, 2010
Anyone should have the right to pray. Whom they pray to is up to the individual. If another individual don't believe in the person the person is praying to what difference should that make. We are all individual that have different religions and beliefs we should respect that. What difference should it be to another if you don't believe in whom they are praying anyone-it shouldn't bother you if you don't believe in Jesus anyway? Think about it we all are different and to except one or two and tell the outher no? Why? We all have rights and they should be respected to believe whatever you want to-that's your given right as a person.
Patriotic Pastor

Greensboro, NC

#4 Feb 18, 2010
A simple look at history will tell us what to think about the founding of the nation and the priciples it was established on. The very earliest form of government, the Mayflower Compact, shows the original intent of this great nation: "In the name of God, Amen...for the glory of God and advancement of ye Christian faith...frame such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, Constitutions, and offices...for the general good." The Virginia Declaration of Rights (from which all governmental documents from that time established their framework) says "it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forebearance, love, and charity toward each other." The PEOPLES Bill of Rights states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof." What about delegates to the Constitutional convention? Delaware had this clause in their requirements for this monumental event: "I,______, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed forever more; and I do acknowledge the holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration." While we're talking about prayer, even the 1st prayer offered in Congress started out, "O Lord our Heavenly Father," and ended with "All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior. Amen." Even our own state Constitution states in the preamble, "We, the people of the state of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of nations..." We also have a disqualification of office to those who deny God in our state Constitution!!! What are we to do with this information? Are we to discredit it and act like it never existed or do we acknowledge it and make the proper adjustments to OUR thinking and actions as "law abiding" citizens and officers and be benficial to our community, state and nation? The choice is clear, let the poeple pray and serve Almighty God!!!
mr rodwell

Greensboro, NC

#5 Feb 28, 2010
Patriotic Pastor wrote:
A simple look at history will tell us what to think about the founding of the nation and the priciples it was established on. The very earliest form of government, the Mayflower Compact, shows the original intent of this great nation: "In the name of God, Amen...for the glory of God and advancement of ye Christian faith...frame such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, Constitutions, and offices...for the general good." The Virginia Declaration of Rights (from which all governmental documents from that time established their framework) says "it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forebearance, love, and charity toward each other." The PEOPLES Bill of Rights states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof." What about delegates to the Constitutional convention? Delaware had this clause in their requirements for this monumental event: "I,______, do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed forever more; and I do acknowledge the holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration." While we're talking about prayer, even the 1st prayer offered in Congress started out, "O Lord our Heavenly Father," and ended with "All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior. Amen." Even our own state Constitution states in the preamble, "We, the people of the state of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of nations..." We also have a disqualification of office to those who deny God in our state Constitution!!! What are we to do with this information? Are we to discredit it and act like it never existed or do we acknowledge it and make the proper adjustments to OUR thinking and actions as "law abiding" citizens and officers and be benficial to our community, state and nation? The choice is clear, let the poeple pray and serve Almighty God!!!
Idiot...the only problem was there was no just and equal laws! NO JUST OR EQUAL LAWS...YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!
Uptown Johnny

King, NC

#6 Mar 16, 2010
Blah Blah Blah......Judge Sharp is just following the law.

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