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#81 Nov 17, 2009
I never said any such thing. IMHO, and apparently in that of the judge, this is not a free exercise issue at all.
You either read my post wrong, or you are attempting to mischaracterize my statement, or you don't understand that this is an establishment clause issue...
#82 Nov 17, 2009
Per the judge:
The defendant's prayer alienates those whose beliefs differ from Christian beliefs and divides citizens along religious lines," said Katy Parker, one of the attorneys with the ACLU.
"The government has to remain neutral on matters of religion, and that's what the Establishment Clause is all about -- that the government can't pick sides," she said.
This is not a free exercise issue.
#83 Nov 17, 2009
Oops, per the attorney - not the judge.
Nevertheless, the judge agreed. This is not a free exercise issue.
#84 Nov 17, 2009
Thank you for clearing that up. Certainly, if an ACLU lawyer says it's so, then that's the end of the debate. They know best... sarcasm intended.
Let's try a simple test of the ACLU argument....
Heavenly Father, we ask your blessing upon these elected officials as they go about the people's business. Amen.
Tell me how that alienates, divides, or isn't neutral.
#85 Nov 17, 2009
Funny how the judge agreed with the ACLU lawyer then, isn't it?
You are utterly missing the point here. Still think I am arguing against the free exercise clause?
Show me a statement I made in furtherance of this idea. I say you pulled it right out of your ass.
A sad attempt at a straw man argument.
#86 Nov 17, 2009
No Fabio, I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm not trying to argue the free exercise clause either. I only asked how the prayer I offered up is devisive, illegal, or promotes one religion over another. What would be the dire results of such a prayer before a meeting?
I read a sense of angst and anger as you respond to folks. Mellow out. Breathe. So what if folks disagree with you (that free speech thingy). Hey, you've got the ACLU to cozy up to. Life is good. Right?
#87 Nov 17, 2009
The dire result is a local government crapping all over the First Amendment. Do you really believe these people intend to be objective about this?
If I appear angry, it is because I am sick and tired of the lies and ignorance I see on this issue.
EVERY time the ACLU or anyone else tries to enforce the Establishment clause the fundamentalist loonies come out like army ants, falsely stating that it is an anti-Christian conspiracy and misreprsenting the law. None of them seem to understand the interaction between the two clauses and those that do lie about it.
These people are engaged in an organized attempt to disseminate false propaganda. If I mistook you for one of them, I apologize.
#88 Nov 17, 2009
No apology necessary. I love a spirited debate and the free exchange of ideas.
If you're totally honest about this issue, your "loonies" comment must equally extend to those on the left as well that would ruin our country by trying to insert their marxist and communist ideals into our constitution. Those individuals don't seem to understand the interaction between the two clauses and those that pretend that they do lie about it. Wouldn't you agree?
While we certainly don't agree on the issue, I respect your willingness to disseminate the cock-eye, wrong, backwards, and false propaganda that you hold so near and dear.......
....Oh lighten up! I'm just funnin' witcha!:)
#89 Nov 17, 2009
The **** part of my response was deleted by the posting police. Rest assured that it was not a foul word. The term was cockeyed (I'll try it without the hyphen). Meaning askewed or off-kilter. The sound of a rooster crowing. That sort of thing.
I didn't want you to think I would sink to vulgarities. That's just not my style.
#90 Nov 17, 2009
Plenty of loonies on the left too. In fact, if you want the looniest Left site on the Internet, here it is:
I was banned from this site for, among other "offenses", being American. So yeah, I know about the loony left.
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