Fluvanna School Board, Supervisors Wo...

Fluvanna School Board, Supervisors Work on 2014 Budget

There are 23 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Feb 17, 2013, titled Fluvanna School Board, Supervisors Work on 2014 Budget. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Wednesday night, the Fluvanna County Board of Supervisors may have had a case of dj vu, as it heard from the school board about its budget needs.

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CCC

Patrick Springs, VA

#1 Feb 21, 2013
Oh, here they go again! Where did the local economy improve to make them think that more money is available.
Fluco

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Feb 21, 2013
This is insane. The VA Department of Education needs to be called in at this point to offer mediation or offer suggestions to help the situation. The moral at the schools are low and it is affecting the children a great deal. It is about time the two boards come together and STOP all the mess! Perhaps if the two boards can not get anything resolved or done, a new board should be in place. It is time to stop or control the madness! It all boils down to this....if the good ol' boys would have planned for economic growth many years ago, then there would not be a money issue to this degree. They wanted the county to remain rural. Well, good ol boys, here is what you have delivered to the community, a mess! Not only in the schools, but it has affected all infastrctures! Look at Louisa, they sure knew what they were doing when they planned the Zions growth. Have you seen how that county's budget is?
Liberalace

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Feb 21, 2013
Fluco wrote:
This is insane. The VA Department of Education needs to be called in at this point to offer mediation or offer suggestions to help the situation. The moral at the schools are low and it is affecting the children a great deal. It is about time the two boards come together and STOP all the mess! Perhaps if the two boards can not get anything resolved or done, a new board should be in place. It is time to stop or control the madness! It all boils down to this....if the good ol' boys would have planned for economic growth many years ago, then there would not be a money issue to this degree. They wanted the county to remain rural. Well, good ol boys, here is what you have delivered to the community, a mess! Not only in the schools, but it has affected all infastrctures! Look at Louisa, they sure knew what they were doing when they planned the Zions growth. Have you seen how that county's budget is?
You are spot on. I have lived here over 14 years and I watched the "good old boys" butcher the budget and the county. Heck, a lot of the teachers who are complaining--and I am NOT one who thinks they are paid too much--are related to those good old boys. Didn't hear them complaining when water issues, Zion Crossroads issues, new high school issues and more were being decided. Now, this sleepy little county wants to be "poised for growth."

Just drive up to Zion Crossroads and look at the rural preservation on one side of Rt. 250...and the horrible commercial growth on the north. Aren't we so glad the previous BOSs protected that from that horrid commercialism?

R.I.P.: Ray Kroc
Obvious

Charlottesville, VA

#5 Feb 21, 2013
Fluco wrote:
This is insane. The VA Department of Education needs to be called in at this point to offer mediation or offer suggestions to help the situation. The moral at the schools are low and it is affecting the children a great deal. It is about time the two boards come together and STOP all the mess! Perhaps if the two boards can not get anything resolved or done, a new board should be in place. It is time to stop or control the madness! It all boils down to this....if the good ol' boys would have planned for economic growth many years ago, then there would not be a money issue to this degree. They wanted the county to remain rural. Well, good ol boys, here is what you have delivered to the community, a mess! Not only in the schools, but it has affected all infastrctures! Look at Louisa, they sure knew what they were doing when they planned the Zions growth. Have you seen how that county's budget is?
If a teacher's morale is bad, then fire them and replace them with teachers that actually are motivated to teach! The problem with the current teachers is that they are all about money! How much money they can squeeze out of the tapped out taxpayers! All I ever hear from them is more money, more money, more money! How about taking a break from the obsession with more money and actually teach for a change!

The BOS needs to cut all the excessive spending and waste in the school system and the school board needs to walk through each school and fire every teacher that does not have a big enthusiastic smile on their face!
bottom line

Alexandria, VA

#6 Feb 21, 2013
If the teachers are so unhappy, they should leave. If they don't want to teach in Fluvanna, why would we want them here.

There are hundreds of people waiting to take their place!
Flucofacts

Moneta, VA

#7 Feb 21, 2013
Fluco Reader wrote:
Three of the current Board of Supervisiors are up for re-election come November. Be sure to get them out. Our beloved Chariman, Shaun Kenney has six (or is it seven) children and they don't even attend Fluvanna public schools -- they are homeschooled. He shouldn't be allowed to vote anything on the school budget, etc. as he has no real personal interest -- he just wants to be the big guy. We need more responsible supervisors who listen to the public and do what is expected of them. The new high school was voted on by the BOS without a public referendum and they should have known better. Too little too late is all I can say right now.
Hey guess what -- on the School Board, only one has in kids in school either!(And she's the wife of the sheriff!) Does that mean they don't have personal interest?! What a ridiculous comment. Only people who have "personal interest" should vote on matters? And the high school was voted on by the prior BOS, not this one. They have had to contend with a massive debt hole.
Geezlouise

Moneta, VA

#8 Feb 21, 2013
Yeah seriously, people shouldn't be allowed to vote anything on the XXXX if they have " no real personal interest " ... so if someone is young and healthy, they shouldn't vote on EMS Stuff because they don't use an ambulance service? Police budgets if they have never been arrested?

I thought a Bos member was supposed to consider all taxpayers and requests in a fair and equitable manner, not just the things they have a "personal interest" in. Heck, if they have too much of a "personal interest", you'd have to worry about bias.

Ugh, sometimes people don't think.
Brandi

Rocky Mount, VA

#9 Feb 22, 2013
Please someone look at the raises and bonuses that are being covered up at the school board office. Teachers and students are the ones really paying for it. Someone look back over the last two to three years of payroll there.
Devan

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Feb 22, 2013
It is the teacher raises that are bankrupting the county. Someone has to say NO!
Concerned Troy Residents

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Feb 22, 2013
Liberalace wrote:
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....Just drive up to Zion Crossroads and look at the rural preservation on one side of Rt. 250...and the horrible commercial growth on the north. Aren't we so glad the previous BOSs protected that from that horrid commercialism?
R.I.P.: Ray Kroc
The only rural preservation we are aware of is on Route 15 in Louisa County not in Fluvanna County. This historic designation (not sure the name of the rural designation) is making in more difficult for Louisa to get water for further commercial growth along with no James River Water Authority between the two locales. We certainly do not see nor are aware of any rural preservation designation in Fluvanna on the Route 250 corridor in particular west of Zion. You can see the trash on the sides of the road as proof! There is no commercial growth in Fluvanna County on Route 250 east of Zion nor west of Zion. The only thing we see is industrial blight i.e. trash and recycling facilities, contractor storge yards, lumber yards, propane storage facility, the womens' prison etc.... These facilities would not be allowed in rural preservation areas. We do not even have a community grocery store where we can put money back into Fluvanna's coffers/community and would provide jobs. We have to shop outside of Fluvanna for our needs. If there is designated rural preservation and/or positive commercial growth currently there or planned for Route 250 in Fluvanna, please enlighten us because we sure do not know of any!
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#12 Feb 22, 2013
bottom line wrote:
If the teachers are so unhappy, they should leave. If they don't want to teach in Fluvanna, why would we want them here.
There are hundreds of people waiting to take their place!
No there's not, there's a teacher shortage.

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching/workforc...

Top 10 critical areas in Virginia:
1. Special Education
2. Elementary Education preK-6
3. Middle Education Grades 6-8
4. Career and Technical Education
5. Mathematics Grades 6-12 (including Algebra I)
6. School Counselor preK-12
7. Foreign Languages preK-12
8. Science Grades 6-12
9. English as a Second Language preK-12
10. Health and Physical Education preK-12

(just about every facet of education)

50% of new teachers leave the profession by year 5.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
http://www.nea.org/home/12630.htm

Three years ago they took a 6% pay cut
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching/workforc...
Two years ago they took a 5% pay cut
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching/workforc...
And last year they took a 2% pay cut
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching/workforc...
coupled with inflation over three years (6%)
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_...
They've taken a 19+% pay cut over three years.

Labor is a market, if you want the best you have to incentivize to attract them. I don't know why anyone would go into teaching. They're Saints or fools for going into it. Teachers are bogged down by bureaucracy, vilified by society, abused by students, and neglected by parents. I couldn't do it, but I sure am thankful for those that do... fools or saints, I like to believe they're the latter.
Not a Lib

United States

#13 Feb 22, 2013
bottom line wrote:
If the teachers are so unhappy, they should leave. If they don't want to teach in Fluvanna, why would we want them here.
There are hundreds of people waiting to take their place!
I agree...partly. There really is no reason to teach in Fluvanna but there sure as Hell aren't a bunch of teachers chomping at the bit to take their place. All they have to do is a very slight bit of research to learn that fluvanna is THE LAST county you would want to work for...
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#14 Feb 22, 2013
Obvious wrote:
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If a teacher's morale is bad, then fire them and replace them with teachers that actually are motivated to teach! The problem with the current teachers is that they are all about money! How much money they can squeeze out of the tapped out taxpayers! All I ever hear from them is more money, more money, more money! How about taking a break from the obsession with more money and actually teach for a change!
The BOS needs to cut all the excessive spending and waste in the school system and the school board needs to walk through each school and fire every teacher that does not have a big enthusiastic smile on their face!
What are you motivated by? Why do you go to work? You expect individuals to get degrees and certified to do charity work? How nice of you to volunteer other people.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Feb 22, 2013
Education in the south plays second fiddle to most other aspects of life. Always has. Why, priorities are skewed. Communities should be throwing every bit of money they can spare at schools for teachers pay, benefits, class ratios, whatever. What do we get? junk in place, human rights councils, non functional dams,.........
ModAmy

Moneta, VA

#16 Feb 22, 2013
Dude wrote:
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Three years ago they took a 6% pay cut
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching/workforc...
Two years ago they took a 5% pay cut
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching/workforc...
And last year they took a 2% pay cut
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching/workforc...
coupled with inflation over three years (6%)
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_...
They've taken a 19+% pay cut over three years.
Labor is a market, if you want the best you have to incentivize to attract them. I don't know why anyone would go into teaching. They're Saints or fools for going into it. Teachers are bogged down by bureaucracy, vilified by society, abused by students, and neglected by parents. I couldn't do it, but I sure am thankful for those that do... fools or saints, I like to believe they're the latter.
AND FOR THE PRIOR 10 YEARS before that, they got 3-6% raises every year. Where are those facts? AND they are still the third highest paid teachers in the region (behind Albemarle and Cville)
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#17 Feb 22, 2013
ModAmy wrote:
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AND FOR THE PRIOR 10 YEARS before that, they got 3-6% raises every year. Where are those facts? AND they are still the third highest paid teachers in the region (behind Albemarle and Cville)
Ten years ago they earned $36K/YR on average. That's not competitive; in fact, it was on the low end of 1st year college graduates.
Aaron

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Feb 22, 2013
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>Ten years ago they earned $36K/YR on average. That's not competitive; in fact, it was on the low end of 1st year college graduates.
That is because it is a part time, part of the day, part of the year job! There is nothing stopping these tax freeloaders from taking additional part time or summer jobs if they want more money....nothing but their laziness that is.

The truth is that 20% of the school budget is waste, and you could increase class size just a little and fire 20% of the teachers with little or no impact on education.

HIT AGREE IF YOU WOULD LIKE A 40%CUT ON YOUR TAXES!

Hit dissagre if you want you taxes to go up so you can finance some part time teachers lavish lifestyle that probably already makes twice what you do working hard full time!
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#19 Feb 22, 2013
Aaron wrote:
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That is because it is a part time, part of the day, part of the year job! There is nothing stopping these tax freeloaders from taking additional part time or summer jobs if they want more money....nothing but their laziness that is.
The truth is that 20% of the school budget is waste, and you could increase class size just a little and fire 20% of the teachers with little or no impact on education.
HIT AGREE IF YOU WOULD LIKE A 40%CUT ON YOUR TAXES!
Hit dissagre if you want you taxes to go up so you can finance some part time teachers lavish lifestyle that probably already makes twice what you do working hard full time!
It's not true that it's a part time job, and it's not true that they don't put in near as many hours.

http://americansocietytoday.blogspot.com/2011...

Labor is a market, if you want good teachers, you're going to have to improve working conditions and create incentives for them to work there. It doesn't appear that you care, though.

Are you really pandering for icons? That's kind of pathetic, do you have a lot of 'real' imaginary friends on facebook?
Anti Liberal

Washington, DC

#20 Feb 22, 2013
Teaching IS a part time job.

Cut em to part time pay!
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#21 Feb 22, 2013
Anti Liberal wrote:
Teaching IS a part time job.
Cut em to part time pay!
http://americansocietytoday.blogspot.com/2011...

Here's a good editorial with links to studies that dispells that myth. Again, labor is a market, and if you understood basic economics, you would understand supply and demand. Right now there is a demand, but the market hasn't adjusted for it, resulting in less qualified or lower quality teachers

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