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Parents Protest Standarized Test for Students

There are 177 comments on the WLTX Columbia story from Apr 15, 2008, titled Parents Protest Standarized Test for Students. In it, WLTX Columbia reports that:

A group of Fairfield County parents protested Tuesday against using a standarized test to determine part of their student's final grade, saying that system is unfair.

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1 Teacher

Winnsboro, SC

#166 May 8, 2008
Higher Standards wrote:
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Let me thank you for your dedication to your students. They are very lucky to have such a caring, hard-working teacher. I can only hope you continue to model your dedication to your students by tackling new changes in the FCSD head on. What are we telling students if we leave or drop out when the going gets tough?
Before Dr. Ingram came to Fairfield County and required you to teach the state standards, the State of South Carolina required you to teach the state standards. The only difference is that the previous administration has not held teachers accountable for teaching the state standards. Why? Because student failure has not bothered the previous administration ENOUGH to actually do something about it! I have a news flash, too. Any teacher applying for a job in Richland 2 will have to teach the same state standards teachers in Fairfield County are teaching. It is required by the state!
So if you are now staying up to the wee hours of the night to prepare lessons based on state standards, what exactly were you teaching in the past? Since you are a college graduate, you do realize that required curriculum is determined by the state in which you live, not the teacher’s edition your school system has adopted?
Regarding the CRTs you said,“Use it for assessment feedback to help teachers form small group instruction.” Did this help any of the students in the first and second nine weeks? Did you see test scores fly off the charts because teachers had a newfound duty to better serve their students? No. Have you considered that many teachers are not motivated to change their instructional strategies on their own or they would have already done so? Accountability is a motivating tool. Unlike you, too many teachers only complete the minimum requirements. Most are not making great strides to increase their student achievement. Otherwise, Fairfield County’s test scores would not be in shambles. It is time to embrace change, not run from it!
I love your name. That should be my name. I am all about HIGHER STANDARDS. Just to enlighten you on State Standards and my college degree, the standards have always driven my instruction. The problem is that I stay up late writing lesson plans that meet the needs of my grade-level teachers and not my students. So... If my neighbor doesn't want to do something that I think will meet the needs of my students, I can't do it because we have to be cookie cutter teachers. STUPID!!! STUPID!!! STUPID!!! I thought I was suppose to meet the needs of my students.

As far as the CRT, I did use that info and other clssroom assessments to form small group. I don't know if my chidren's scores would be different because they were not given the opportunity to retake the 1st and 2nd CRT. BUT, as for the small groups that I formed, the improvement IS shown in my gradebook. AND, my scores for the 3rd CRT were not below 80. YIPPEE!

I am not running. I am aimimg for the best for my children who will be in school next year or so. They deserve better than all the foolishness that is going on here. I want his/her teacher to meet his/her needs and not the teachers next door. Again, I encourage you to come and see the FINE, FINE teachers at FPS and hurry because they will be gone in 17 days.
1 Teacher

Winnsboro, SC

#167 May 8, 2008
Whoa! Look at the teachers leaving. This does not include the teachers who are retiring or quite before the school year is over. Visit the county website Resignation of Certified Personnel, 2008-2009 School Year

Jacqueline Abdul-Rahman
Yvette Addison
Tawanna Alexander-Coleman
Kizzy Alston-Epps
Kamisha Anthony
Elizabeth Baggott Angela Banks
Vera Barnes
Bettye Bellamy
Christine Blackwelder
Bernice Bonaparte Randloph Bowers
Karen Bridges
Andrea Brown
Gwenevere Brown
Tiffany Brown
Callie Bushatz
April Carnes
Elinor Clarkson Letia Cooper Andrew Corbett
Mary Dawkins
Holly DeRiggs
Anna Flora LaToya Fox Tanzella Gaither
Carol Garifalon
Terry GeFellers
Pamela Glenn
Paul Guzewicz
Cynthia Haigler
LaBretta Hall-Jacobs
Susanne Harris
Sonya Harrison-Young
Tarsh Harte Recebba Harwood-Orman
Lauryn Hidalgo
Belinda Hill Caleb Hood Derek Howard
Nancy Jolly
Kathy Kendall
Cynthia Kussman Robert Lane Randy Levy Sherry Macaluso
Erica McCord
Christina Mento
Tresa Milligan
Diane Mincey
Mitchell Moton
Sarah Millner
Sonya Murphy
Louise Neal
Camice Ortiz Margaret Parrish LaTanyua Price
Cheryl Qualls
Martha Richardson Jessyca Roberts
Nicole Robinson Delores Rock
Frances Shepard
Dianne Stuck-Bennett
Sarah Tucker Natasia Walker
Brittanie Wilson
Shannon Woodard
Melissa Young
Wendy Young

Webster Anderson III
Teresa Burns-Roberts
Verna Green
Tammy Martin

6. Recommendation of Certified Release From Contract, 2007-2008 School Year

Tommy Brown Athletic Director Fairfield Central (H/S)(Approved)

7. Termination of Classified Personnel, 2007-2008 School Year

Francina Moore Bus Driver Transportation (Approved)

8. Termination of Certified Personnel, 2007-2008 School Year

Kamar Lee Administrative Assistant Fairfield Central (H/S)(Approved)
1 Teacher

Winnsboro, SC

#168 May 8, 2008
1 Teacher wrote:
Whoa! Look at the teachers leaving. This does not include the teachers who are retiring or quit before the school year is over. Visit the county website Resignation of Certified Personnel, 2008-2009 School Year
Jacqueline Abdul-Rahman
Yvette Addison
Tawanna Alexander-Coleman
Kizzy Alston-Epps
Kamisha Anthony
Elizabeth Baggott Angela Banks
Vera Barnes
Bettye Bellamy
Christine Blackwelder
Bernice Bonaparte Randloph Bowers
Karen Bridges
Andrea Brown
Gwenevere Brown
Tiffany Brown
Callie Bushatz
April Carnes
Elinor Clarkson Letia Cooper Andrew Corbett
Mary Dawkins
Holly DeRiggs
Anna Flora LaToya Fox Tanzella Gaither
Carol Garifalon
Terry GeFellers
Pamela Glenn
Paul Guzewicz
Cynthia Haigler
LaBretta Hall-Jacobs
Susanne Harris
Sonya Harrison-Young
Tarsh Harte Recebba Harwood-Orman
Lauryn Hidalgo
Belinda Hill Caleb Hood Derek Howard
Nancy Jolly
Kathy Kendall
Cynthia Kussman Robert Lane Randy Levy Sherry Macaluso
Erica McCord
Christina Mento
Tresa Milligan
Diane Mincey
Mitchell Moton
Sarah Millner
Sonya Murphy
Louise Neal
Camice Ortiz Margaret Parrish LaTanyua Price
Cheryl Qualls
Martha Richardson Jessyca Roberts
Nicole Robinson Delores Rock
Frances Shepard
Dianne Stuck-Bennett
Sarah Tucker Natasia Walker
Brittanie Wilson
Shannon Woodard
Melissa Young
Wendy Young
Webster Anderson III
Teresa Burns-Roberts
Verna Green
Tammy Martin
6. Recommendation of Certified Release From Contract, 2007-2008 School Year
Tommy Brown Athletic Director Fairfield Central (H/S)(Approved)
7. Termination of Classified Personnel, 2007-2008 School Year
Francina Moore Bus Driver Transportation (Approved)
8. Termination of Certified Personnel, 2007-2008 School Year
Kamar Lee Administrative Assistant Fairfield Central (H/S)(Approved)
Sorry, quit and not quite

Since: Apr 07

Winnsboro

#169 May 9, 2008
1 Teacher wrote:
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Sorry, quit and not quite
Oh 1 Teach, since the "teachers dont like to work", I myself did "a little work". Dating back to the Feb. board minutes, I have collected names of those that have resigned, the list now totalling 107-which doesnt include custodians and dept. heads at the DO... it seems that the DO (Ingram) may need a little lesson in Math.... I think that would be SC Math Standard Standard 1-2: The student will demonstrate through the mathematical processes a sense of quantity and numeral relationships; the relationships among addition, subtraction, and related basic facts; and the connections among numeric, oral, and written-word forms of whole numbers.
Ya know.... addition and subtraction.. all of those names add up to WAY more than 67, more like 107, a DIFFERENCE of 40 teachers---DING DING DING-where did she get her numbers from I wonder
Principal 1

Winnsboro, SC

#170 May 9, 2008
The CRT's are generated by teaching specialist,resource teachers,reading recovery teachers, and etc. These teachers helped make a test for a grade that they had never taught. If you know anything about the South Carolina Standards, a teacher has to know them inside out!
These test writers could not have been knowledgable enough about the standards as they should have been. Also, each nine weeks there are a new set of standards,therefore there is a new and different test.The test was not piloted ever, because it was only used once each time!!!The board is under the assumption that the first 2 times that those were pilots!! The first 2 nine weeks the tests were so poorly done that the children literally could not decipher the print. Also the question asked about things that weren't standard based.The quality of these tests are so poor that the children should not be punished!
I feel that the PACT is good measure of academic progress and should be used. Schools and teachers should be held accountable for their teaching, but a fly by night,. On many of the tests the answer key was completetely wrong! No one could pass some of the test because the answer keys were not matched to the tests. I believe in high expectations for all students because they can learn, but this was not a measuring tool for anything!!The copywrite on the company was 2007 and it cost over $300,000.00!! Go Figure!!!!!!
teacher2

Winnsboro, SC

#171 May 9, 2008
The computerized MAP test is a wonderful assessment tool for teachers to use. This is a proven company that has no kinks and instant feedback. It also has a web site to get data for each individual student. It is aligned to the PACT! Fairfield County wants to work and raise the bar for the students, but they do not want to be scammed!!!!The county had the computerized program Successmaker that not only helped the students with deficiences, but generated individualized tests for individual needs. This year the students were not allowed to use the program or computers!! Computers sat and collected dust for about 8 months!! No technology for these students, but they had to take some poorly made test like in the 1970's. HELP!!!
Leaving SC

Georgetown, SC

#172 May 13, 2008
I believe the entire county is in dire straits. Let me say first that I am not a SC native.(I sense the remarks from the readers already.)I moved to SC from a large state/city with the fantasy that my daughter would have a better life here. I couldn't have been more wrong. Looking at the employment situation and the education situation you will see that these problems go hand in hand. While I'm not knocking factory work, I want my child to have a much broader employment option and the only way to have that chance is proper education. The CRT test, in my opinion, does not only expose failing children, it is exposing failing teachers and failing parents and that is why everyone is so angry. If your child has brought home A's and B's and suddenly dropped to a C or D because of a standardized test, someone has dropped the ball. The blame lies with all us of folks. First, is the curriculm in line with the state standards? Are teachers following the curriculm and are the parents working WITH rather than against the teachers where the children are concerned. It's a joint effort. Parents need to review the work their child is doing to be sure that they deserve the grades they are receiving. Some of the postings on this site are downright pathetic and are proof positive that the education system in this county is lacking. Rather than knock the new superintendant for trying to "raise the bar" on our children's education, we should be working with her and applauding her effort. We are facing a "New World Order" folks and our children HAVE TO be prepared.
Dan

Columbia, SC

#173 May 13, 2008
Leaving SC wrote:
I believe the entire county is in dire straits. Let me say first that I am not a SC native.(I sense the remarks from the readers already.)I moved to SC from a large state/city with the fantasy that my daughter would have a better life here. I couldn't have been more wrong. Looking at the employment situation and the education situation you will see that these problems go hand in hand. While I'm not knocking factory work, I want my child to have a much broader employment option and the only way to have that chance is proper education. The CRT test, in my opinion, does not only expose failing children, it is exposing failing teachers and failing parents and that is why everyone is so angry. If your child has brought home A's and B's and suddenly dropped to a C or D because of a standardized test, someone has dropped the ball. The blame lies with all us of folks. First, is the curriculm in line with the state standards? Are teachers following the curriculm and are the parents working WITH rather than against the teachers where the children are concerned. It's a joint effort. Parents need to review the work their child is doing to be sure that they deserve the grades they are receiving. Some of the postings on this site are downright pathetic and are proof positive that the education system in this county is lacking. Rather than knock the new superintendant for trying to "raise the bar" on our children's education, we should be working with her and applauding her effort. We are facing a "New World Order" folks and our children HAVE TO be prepared.
If this post isn't 100% true........then today isn't May 13, 2008.

Excellent!
teacher2

Winnsboro, SC

#174 May 13, 2008
What exactly is a "New World Order"? Should we alert everybody? Please explain.
1 Teacher

Winnsboro, SC

#175 May 13, 2008
Leaving SC wrote:
I believe the entire county is in dire straits. Let me say first that I am not a SC native.(I sense the remarks from the readers already.)I moved to SC from a large state/city with the fantasy that my daughter would have a better life here. I couldn't have been more wrong. Looking at the employment situation and the education situation you will see that these problems go hand in hand. While I'm not knocking factory work, I want my child to have a much broader employment option and the only way to have that chance is proper education. The CRT test, in my opinion, does not only expose failing children, it is exposing failing teachers and failing parents and that is why everyone is so angry. If your child has brought home A's and B's and suddenly dropped to a C or D because of a standardized test, someone has dropped the ball. The blame lies with all us of folks. First, is the curriculm in line with the state standards? Are teachers following the curriculm and are the parents working WITH rather than against the teachers where the children are concerned. It's a joint effort. Parents need to review the work their child is doing to be sure that they deserve the grades they are receiving. Some of the postings on this site are downright pathetic and are proof positive that the education system in this county is lacking. Rather than knock the new superintendant for trying to "raise the bar" on our children's education, we should be working with her and applauding her effort. We are facing a "New World Order" folks and our children HAVE TO be prepared.
I am a teacher and I'm not knocking the super. I would love to help and be on her side... IF I KNEW WHAT SIDE TO BE ON. At the Primary School, we don't know what to expect from day to day.OR I have to teach the same thing and way as my neighbor, which my children may not learn from the way my neighbor teaches, so some chidlren may be getting left behind because of that. As I mentioned in one of my comments in the past, I DO AND ALWAYS HAVE taught the state standards. The CRT is just one test that is calculated into the students grade. And just as any test, using one assessment to determine whether a student has mastered a standard is not a valid picture of whether that student truly understands that standard or not. Anybody could have had a bad day on testing day. For that one test to count 20% really puts a child in the hole if he/she was having a bad day. Again, I think it should be used as an assessment tool for intervention/small groups to help the students strenghthen their weeknesses. I also think that a lot of comments have been made about the teachers in Fairfield County are rude. Speaking for myself and my very close friends at FPS, we work very hard to make sure that we are teaching the standards and do our best to try to meet the needs of each student (when we come upon a chance to be a techer of our own and not be a copy cat of the teacher next door and his/her students, like we have been TOLD to be). WE DO NEED MORE PARENTAL SUPPORT. I think if parents would work closer with the teachers, many chidlren in Fairfield would have better grades and a better chance at performing better all around.
tisreal

Winnsboro, SC

#176 May 14, 2008
You are absolutely right. Teachers ARE teaching the standards. If they weren't, it would be obvious to everyone because there are so many safeguards built into the system that it would be impossible not to do so. Lesson plans are reviewed each week by one, and sometimes two, administrators. Feedback is given each week. We have to put the standards in our gradebooks (which are checked weekly) to show how the assessments are based upon which standards.We check off each standard as we use them WE DO NOT NEED TO DEFEND OURSELVES. OUR ADMINISTRATORS SHOULD DO SO OR BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

As far as the CRT's, the Math and ELA test results were analyzed two and three times before teachers could even see the results. Now, these are twenty-five multiple choice questions that were being analyzed. You know the deal. The answer is either A,B,C,D. Scantrons can analyze them in seconds. So can teachers. So why did it take this quarter of a million dollar machine three times to get the right answers? You figure that one out. Is it more important to give a teacher a harmful demerit, or is the child's education the priority. I know what the answer SHOULD BE.
No teacher needs to defend themselves.
Subpoena the records. Anyone who is within the system knows what is going on. Only those who want to evaluate without all the facts and are not truly in the system are the one's who want to give the benefit of a doubt. The only problem is... there is no doubt here. The facts are what they are. No analysis is necessary. It is just plain common sense.
Please excuse any improper grammar, capitalization or lack thereof. The content is clear. The mechanics are what they are, the mechanics. It's the truth of the content that matters.
Leaving SC

Columbia, SC

#177 May 14, 2008
1 Teacher wrote:
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Anybody could have had a bad day on testing day. For that one test to count 20% really puts a child in the hole if he/she was having a bad day. Again, I think it should be used as an assessment tool for intervention/small groups to help the students strenghthen their weeknesses. I also think that a lot of comments have been made about the teachers in Fairfield County are rude. Speaking for myself and my very close friends at FPS, we work very hard to make sure that we are teaching the standards and do our best to try to meet the needs of each student (when we come upon a chance to be a techer of our own and not be a copy cat of the teacher next door and his/her students, like we have been TOLD to be). WE DO NEED MORE PARENTAL SUPPORT. I think if parents would work closer with the teachers, many chidlren in Fairfield would have better grades and a better chance at performing better all around.
This reply is to both Teacher 1 and Teacher 2. First of all I am not aiming any darts at the teachers. I think I said that it is a joint effort. We are all responsible. Yes we do need more parent participation. Yes teachers do need support of the school board. I have not walked 2 steps in your shoes and I don't envy your position at all. I couldn't for the life of me do for one day what some of you have been doing for scores of years. But as far as the kids having a bad day and that bad counting for 20% of their total performance; let's take a look at the real world for a second. You go on a job interview, your performance at that interview counts for 100% of whether you get that job or not. You are not excused or given a second shot cause you woke up on the wrong side of the bed that morning. You can be qualified to the hilt, come highly recommended, credentials coming out of your butt, but that interview is your one shot 100%. So bad day or not, you have to be prepared no matter what. That is where the joint effort comes in. Parents and teachers and children need to work together to prepare regardless of the percentage of "what counts". It all counts. This may not be fair, but it is the real world and we should be preparing our children for the real world. In a crude way of speaking we need to piss or get off the pot. The new world order I speak of is in regards to the country's economy and employment situtation. Lower scale jobs are being out sourced to other countries. The gap between the classes are widening and people are struggling just to make ends meet. I don't want my kid to have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to keep a roof over her head. The employment situation is one of the reasons why parents are failing at following up with the kids. Too many of us do not have the time or energy to sit down with the kid after a long demanding day at work. Too many of us are raising kids in one parent households. To many of us are leaving our kids all over the place, and in the care of any and everyone available so they can work all of these crappy jobs, with crappy shifts. How can you be an effective parent if you work from 3pm to 11pm? When are you seeing your child? The rich is getting richer and the middle class and poor is becoming a dying breed. I apologize. I'm bitter. But I'm also looking at the big picture. And the bottom line in my household is to make sure my child is properly educated. I myself am undereducated, unemployed and scared to death of what the future is going to be for my child. I just don't want her to struggle the way my generation is struggling.
teacher2

Winnsboro, SC

#178 May 14, 2008
I completely understand your frustration and your deep concern for your daughter, but I personally feel that you and your child are being taken advantage of by Ingram. She like many politicians are promising you the world, but actually she is just trying to make an enormous amount of money and promote herself for her future job. Then she will move from here leaving this county in a complete disarray.She doesn't even let the students use computers on aregular basis inorder to push her program that is NOT ANY GOOD!!!!
Everyone involved is bitter,but with God's help we will all be OK!
teacher2

Winnsboro, SC

#179 May 14, 2008
Sorry about all the grammatical errros and typing mistakes!
teacher2

Winnsboro, SC

#180 May 14, 2008
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Fairfield County Student

Winnsboro, SC

#181 Jun 12, 2008
Okay I'm sure this comment may be a little late but its a little necessary. I happen to be an AP student and i'm not going to say that nothing wa taught but every year we have a teacher one semester for a yearly class and the next semester we have someone different. This person comes in not knowing where to start so we just end up starting somewhere. So some of the information may have been left behind. But what I am coming to is that, yes the county is behind and everybody here happens to already know that. All the test is doing is knocking us more behind because we're getting penalized for not knowing things that we don't teach ourselves. that's why our teachers get paid TO Teach if they did that then we wouldn't have the problem we're having now.

Sincerely,
A fairfield county student
Unknown

United States

#182 Apr 7, 2009
I work for the district. There have been many problems with the CRT:
1) the person at the district office who creates the test makes too many mistakes.
2) the CRT is based on the Anderson 5 Curriculum. Any teacher can tell you that alot of the materials that are called for in the curriculum are out of date and not available.
3) not every child tests well.
4) CRTs are being administered before the end of the quarter which doesn't allow time for the teachers to teach all the standards therefore, the students can't learn everything they need for the CRT.
Before you start bashing parents who speak out you might want to know what you are talking about. How many of you that are bashing teachers actually have children in the school system? You don't know what these teachers have to deal with on a daily basis from administration, students, and their parents. Education used to be about educating children, but now it is about politics and paper work. I won't reveal my identity for fear of retribution for the district office.

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