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VA Supreme Court Refuses to Reconsider Church Property Ruling

There are 74 comments on the WHSV story from Sep 25, 2010, titled VA Supreme Court Refuses to Reconsider Church Property Ruling. In it, WHSV reports that:

The Virginia Supreme Court has refused to reconsider its ruling in an Episcopal Church property dispute.

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“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#1 Sep 25, 2010
The Virginia Supreme Court has refused to reconsider its ruling in an Episcopal Church property dispute.

In June, the court overturned a judge's decision giving nine breakaway Episcopal congregations property worth an estimated $30 million to $40 million. The justices said the judge erred when, relying on an 1867 statute, he ruled that the congregations were a branch of the Episcopal Church and could keep the property.

The breakaway congregations asked the justices to reconsider. The court's decision Friday means the case goes back to Fairfax County Circuit Court for further proceedings.

The congregations split from the Episcopal Church in a disagreement over acceptance of gays, the ordination of women and other theological issues, and aligned with the more conservative Convocation of Anglicans in North America.
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You shall not steal.

Amazing......
Listen to the Word

Golden Valley, AZ

#2 Sep 25, 2010
This is the reason why a church should never align itself with an denomination which places a claim on the local congregation's property.

It is a tool church bodies use to manipulate the faithful into staying in apostate church bodies.

The bottom line is that the Episcopal bishops are only concerned with money, power, and promoting the gay agenda. They could care less about orthodoxy, God's word, and the salvation of their faithful.

The truth is that the bishops will get what they want -- the property or its value in money, power over the faithful, and a lavender clergy. The faithful will also get what they want if they leave the Episcopal church without their property -- orthodox teaching, a clear proclamation of God's Word, and salvation. Even if they lose their property, they will be better off. Like the rich man in the Bible, the bishops will find the wealth , the power, and promoting sin does them no good in eternity.

T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#3 Sep 25, 2010
Thanks be to God!

From ghoulies and ghosties. And long-leggedy beasties. And things that go bump in the night, Good Lord, deliver us!

TEC Book of Common Prayer:

For the Church

Gracious Father, we pray for they holy Catholic Church.

Fill it with all truth, in all truth with all peace.

Where it is corrupt, purify it;

where it is in error, direct it;

where in any thing it is amiss, reform it.

Where it is right, strengthen it;

where it is in want, provide for it;

where it is divided, reunite it;

for the sake of Jesus Christ thy Son our Savior.

Amen.
xix

Modesto, CA

#4 Sep 25, 2010
>"In June, the court overturned a judge's decision giving nine breakaway Episcopal congregations property worth an estimated $30 million to $40 million."

All property belonging to religious organizations should be seized by the state and used for the public good.
Churches are monuments to ignorance.
Religious people are mentally ill and need psychiatric help and re-education.
Think Again

Clayton, NC

#5 Sep 25, 2010
xix wrote:
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Churches are monuments to ignorance.
Religious people are mentally ill and need psychiatric help and re-education.
Your post is a monument to ignorance.
Listen to the Word

Kingman, AZ

#6 Sep 25, 2010
xix may think that churches are a monument to ignorance, but nothing is a bigger monument to ignorance than the state. Using xix's logic, all the state property should be turned over to the state.

O, a better idea! Separation of church and state!

By the way, I agree with the Bible which says, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Since neither church nor state, in general, has a wholesome fear of the Lord, neither have made it to first based when it comes to wisdom. To quote Shakespeare, "A plague on both your houses." Both church and state need to return to common sense and honesty.
rider

Owatonna, MN

#7 Sep 25, 2010
Think Again wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post is a monument to ignorance.
Boy's Town Abuse!Ratzinger is now in the limelight over this issue, but he couldn't get anyone ... Now you have picked up a new client and it ties directly into Boys Town....
www.jesus-is-savior.com/.../boys_town_abuse.h... - Cached - Similar
xix

United States

#8 Oct 13, 2010
Listen to the Word wrote:
By the way, I agree with the Bible which says, "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."
Wisdom is fearing the non-existant?

Having a fear of imaginary beings is psychotic.

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#9 Oct 14, 2010
xix wrote:
<quoted text>
Wisdom is fearing the non-existant?
Having a fear of imaginary beings is psychotic.
Look around you.

Tell me that everything you see came from nothing.

And then tell me again how believing in God is psychotic.
Byme

Honolulu, HI

#11 Dec 14, 2010
Listen to the Word wrote:
This is the reason why a church should never align itself with an denomination which places a claim on the local congregation's property.
It is a tool church bodies use to manipulate the faithful into staying in apostate church bodies.
The bottom line is that the Episcopal bishops are only concerned with money, power, and promoting the gay agenda. They could care less about orthodoxy, God's word, and the salvation of their faithful.
The truth is that the bishops will get what they want -- the property or its value in money, power over the faithful, and a lavender clergy. The faithful will also get what they want if they leave the Episcopal church without their property -- orthodox teaching, a clear proclamation of God's Word, and salvation. Even if they lose their property, they will be better off. Like the rich man in the Bible, the bishops will find the wealth , the power, and promoting sin does them no good in eternity.
I agree organized religion is a farce, Just a money making entity.
Byme

Honolulu, HI

#12 Dec 14, 2010
Shall we get real? Church is just big business wrapped in a shroud.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#13 Dec 15, 2010
Listen to the Word wrote:
This is the reason why a church should never align itself with an denomination which places a claim on the local congregation's property.
It is a tool church bodies use to manipulate the faithful into staying in apostate church bodies.
The bottom line is that the Episcopal bishops are only concerned with money, power, and promoting the gay agenda. They could care less about orthodoxy, God's word, and the salvation of their faithful.
The truth is that the bishops will get what they want -- the property or its value in money, power over the faithful, and a lavender clergy. The faithful will also get what they want if they leave the Episcopal church without their property -- orthodox teaching, a clear proclamation of God's Word, and salvation. Even if they lose their property, they will be better off. Like the rich man in the Bible, the bishops will find the wealth , the power, and promoting sin does them no good in eternity.
LOL~

You get crazier with every post..........
Listen to the Word

Fort Mohave, AZ

#14 Dec 15, 2010
I will take that as a compliment. The Bible clearly says that the "spiritual things" of God "are foolishness to them who do not believe."
With, in that context, with St. Paul, I will gladly be "a fool for Christ."

The one thing I did note is that you did not refute in any intelligent way. You only called me a name. Whose crazy now?

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#15 Dec 15, 2010
Listen to the Word wrote:
I will take that as a compliment. The Bible clearly says that the "spiritual things" of God "are foolishness to them who do not believe."
With, in that context, with St. Paul, I will gladly be "a fool for Christ."
The one thing I did note is that you did not refute in any intelligent way. You only called me a name. Whose crazy now?
Dear LTTW,

If you stick around these threads for a little while, you will find that MiddleWay is a voice of considerable rational wisdom. Although, it may be said that his tolerance for unfounded "Christian" foolishness is properly limited. Such foolishness is quite different from being a "Fool for Christ."

If you are getting crazier, it is in your insistence that Episcopal Bishops carry an agenda such as you have listed. You are way off base. Of course, every organization has its extremists and TEC is no exception. In fact, TEC is much more tolerant and permissive in its willingness to allow its leaders to speak and profess their personal opinions which may well stretch the boundaries of the generally approved mystical experience than are many other denominations within the Body of Christ. But, the vast majority of Episcopal Bishops are dedicated teachers and are fully qualified proponents of the Gospel of Christ Jesus.

We faithfully consider the wider spectrum in variation of expression and witness in the Christian Mystical Experience to be an important and healthy characteristic and worthy of seeking for the membership of TEC. In contrast, many other denominations aatempt to strictly police the peculiar individualism of their membership and readily reject any membership that seems to step in the least outside of a very limited prescription of dogmatic belief.

As a result, you will hear many from other denominations openly criticizing TEC and accusing it of fostering and harboring heresy and apostacy.

We can't help them in that assessment. We must do as we are directed in the Spirit and we must be willing to keep an open mind to the Holy Spirit, refusing to refuse it. We champion the Gospel of Christ Jesus, including finding ways to bring those who are rejected by others into His fold.

Rev. Ken

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#16 Dec 16, 2010
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear LTTW,
If you stick around these threads for a little while, you will find that MiddleWay is a voice of considerable rational wisdom. Although, it may be said that his tolerance for unfounded "Christian" foolishness is properly limited. Such foolishness is quite different from being a "Fool for Christ."
If you are getting crazier, it is in your insistence that Episcopal Bishops carry an agenda such as you have listed. You are way off base. Of course, every organization has its extremists and TEC is no exception. In fact, TEC is much more tolerant and permissive in its willingness to allow its leaders to speak and profess their personal opinions which may well stretch the boundaries of the generally approved mystical experience than are many other denominations within the Body of Christ. But, the vast majority of Episcopal Bishops are dedicated teachers and are fully qualified proponents of the Gospel of Christ Jesus.
We faithfully consider the wider spectrum in variation of expression and witness in the Christian Mystical Experience to be an important and healthy characteristic and worthy of seeking for the membership of TEC. In contrast, many other denominations aatempt to strictly police the peculiar individualism of their membership and readily reject any membership that seems to step in the least outside of a very limited prescription of dogmatic belief.
As a result, you will hear many from other denominations openly criticizing TEC and accusing it of fostering and harboring heresy and apostacy.
We can't help them in that assessment. We must do as we are directed in the Spirit and we must be willing to keep an open mind to the Holy Spirit, refusing to refuse it. We champion the Gospel of Christ Jesus, including finding ways to bring those who are rejected by others into His fold.
Rev. Ken
Amen my brother!!

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#17 Dec 16, 2010
Listen to the Word wrote:
I will take that as a compliment. The Bible clearly says that the "spiritual things" of God "are foolishness to them who do not believe."
With, in that context, with St. Paul, I will gladly be "a fool for Christ."
The one thing I did note is that you did not refute in any intelligent way. You only called me a name. Whose crazy now?
I see now that you have a reading comprehension problem and are a drama queen, as well as a liar.

I didn't call you a name so take your Pauline tripe somewhere else.

I said you are getting crazier with every post. You are out of reality and like a parrot who merely echos with no intelligence responses.

I certainly hope your ego was inflated while you pretend to be a fool of Paul's because it means nothing to me.

;-D

Have a blessed day, living in the NOW that God created, LIFE not pages and ink.

May you also experience the LIVING JESUS so you don't have to have a relationship based only on a book.

LOL..........
Listen to the Word

Fort Mohave, AZ

#18 Dec 16, 2010
In the church, including the wider church body, you are what you tolerate and what you support with your offerings, as much as what you personally believe.

I speak with non-intelligent responses because the Bible speaks of truths that are non-intelligent to us, unless our thoughts are directed by the Spirit. It makes no sense to say that God created the world in six days (if he is God, what took him so long?), that Jonah lived inside a big fish for three days and three nights, that Jesus was born of a virgin, that Jesus is 100% God and 100% percent man at the same time, that Jesus fed five thousand men with five pieces of bread and two small fish, that God loved the world even though it sinned, that a personage who died on a cross two thousand years ago forgives my sin today, that God justifies the ungodly, or that there will be a resurrection of the dead. Yet, even though all these things are non-intelligent to human reason, I believe them to be true because the Bible says so. That is why "we walk by faith, not by sight."
If I wanted a rational religion, I would agree with you 100%. But the gospel itself is not rational. It is a matter of faith alone.

You speak against "pages and ink," which I assume you to mean the Bible, opting instead for a living Jesus in the present. What do you know of this living Jesus that is not found on pages and ink?

Paul taught the things mentioned above even though it was the foolishness to the world. He calls these things "the foolishing of God." Why did Paul teach foolishness? "The foolishness of God is wiser
than man's wisdom." How do we know God today? "God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached so save those who believe." In that sense, I am still happy to be a fool for Christ.

If you understood that me saying that "you called me a name" by you saying "I am getting crazier," then I will apologize to you and ask for your forgiveness for sinning against you. I understood your comment to suggest that I was already crazy, since that is the only what I could get crazier. However, I will admit you used a comparative adjective instead of a noun.

By the way, don't insult parrots. If they make no sense, it is only because the person who taught them made no sense.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#19 Dec 17, 2010
Listen to the Word wrote:
By the way, don't insult parrots. If they make no sense, it is only because the person who taught them made no sense.
Get your money back from your teacher.

Seek Jesus only..........

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#20 Dec 17, 2010
Listen to the Word wrote:
In the church, including the wider church body, you are what you tolerate and what you support with your offerings, as much as what you personally believe.
I speak with non-intelligent responses because the Bible speaks of truths that are non-intelligent to us, unless our thoughts are directed by the Spirit. It makes no sense to say that God created the world in six days (if he is God, what took him so long?), that Jonah lived inside a big fish for three days and three nights, that Jesus was born of a virgin, that Jesus is 100% God and 100% percent man at the same time, that Jesus fed five thousand men with five pieces of bread and two small fish, that God loved the world even though it sinned, that a personage who died on a cross two thousand years ago forgives my sin today, that God justifies the ungodly, or that there will be a resurrection of the dead. Yet, even though all these things are non-intelligent to human reason, I believe them to be true because the Bible says so. That is why "we walk by faith, not by sight."
If I wanted a rational religion, I would agree with you 100%. But the gospel itself is not rational. It is a matter of faith alone.
You speak against "pages and ink," which I assume you to mean the Bible, opting instead for a living Jesus in the present. What do you know of this living Jesus that is not found on pages and ink?
Paul taught the things mentioned above even though it was the foolishness to the world. He calls these things "the foolishing of God." Why did Paul teach foolishness? "The foolishness of God is wiser
than man's wisdom." How do we know God today? "God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached so save those who believe." In that sense, I am still happy to be a fool for Christ.
If you understood that me saying that "you called me a name" by you saying "I am getting crazier," then I will apologize to you and ask for your forgiveness for sinning against you. I understood your comment to suggest that I was already crazy, since that is the only what I could get crazier. However, I will admit you used a comparative adjective instead of a noun.
By the way, don't insult parrots. If they make no sense, it is only because the person who taught them made no sense.
There are many good points in your comment.

Christ Jesus decided not to leave us a written record of His teachings. He had a reason for making that decision. You can't write 'The Rule Book for Acts of Love and Kindness'.

The Holy Spirit alone guides the church today. That concept has been vital to the Church since Christ is said to have promised it and most certainly demonstrated to the church on the first Pentecost.

The problem we face today is the ongoing evil of those that wish us to fall down and worship a false idol. They are the people that believe that a series of books is the same as God. An object can never be a god. God is a spirit or more specifically a 'mystery' that can never be defined by any amount of words. There is not enough ink or paper to begin to define God.

Thanks be to God!

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#21 Dec 17, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
Christ Jesus decided not to leave us a written record of His teachings. He had a reason for making that decision. You can't write 'The Rule Book for Acts of Love and Kindness'...
But He managed to condense in into only two commandments.

BTW, both the Golden and Silver Rules encompass all acts of love and kindness.

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