Erie man's death following gun incident ruled homicide

Oct 3, 2012 Full story: Erie Times News 29

Mike Miodus said a man he had never seen before pointed a gun at his face, then asked him if he was a tough guy while still holding the gun in his hands, when a friend of Miodus grabbed the gunman from behind and took him to the ground early Saturday morning.

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Erie, PA

#23 Oct 8, 2012
Truck wrote:
You people are unbelievable. All I can say is I can only hope to God that if I am ever in a situation where my life or the life of my loved ones is in jeopardy there is someone like this there to save me. So quit playing devils advocate and tell it the way it is. Guys a hero, and has more courage than anyone of you.
If you force me to quit playing Devil's Advocate, then I vote charge him and let the jury decide. I suspect that if a jury were forced to decide prematurely, they'd probably convict him.

By talking through the facts, we all can better form an educated opinion as opposed to being - for lack of a better term - choked into submission regarding whether he is or is not a hero.
yoo hoo

Erie, PA

#24 Oct 9, 2012
Truck wrote:
You people are unbelievable. All I can say is I can only hope to God that if I am ever in a situation where my life or the life of my loved ones is in jeopardy there is someone like this there to save me. So quit playing devils advocate and tell it the way it is. Guys a hero, and has more courage than anyone of you.
Another thought: ideally in self-defense your first move should be to control the weapon. The story says the gunman was grabbed from behind, taken to the ground and choked.

If that didn't entail controlling the weapon, the hero was just lucky. What would you have thought if the hero grabbed the gunman from behind causing him to panic and squeeze off 3 rounds as he was going down, one striking a member of your family? Would you have still seen him as a hero?

If he didn't have full control of that gun while taking him down that was very stupid.
JayLenno

Erie, PA

#25 Oct 9, 2012
yoo hoo wrote:
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Another thought: ideally in self-defense your first move should be to control the weapon. The story says the gunman was grabbed from behind, taken to the ground and choked.
If that didn't entail controlling the weapon, the hero was just lucky. What would you have thought if the hero grabbed the gunman from behind causing him to panic and squeeze off 3 rounds as he was going down, one striking a member of your family? Would you have still seen him as a hero?
If he didn't have full control of that gun while taking him down that was very stupid.
I bet you also have an argument defending Jerry Sandusky's actions. You liberals ALWAYS back the guilty party.

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Erie,PA

#26 Oct 9, 2012
yoo hoo wrote:
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Another thought: ideally in self-defense your first move should be to control the weapon. The story says the gunman was grabbed from behind, taken to the ground and choked.
If that didn't entail controlling the weapon, the hero was just lucky. What would you have thought if the hero grabbed the gunman from behind causing him to panic and squeeze off 3 rounds as he was going down, one striking a member of your family? Would you have still seen him as a hero?
If he didn't have full control of that gun while taking him down that was very stupid.
...and IF you had three wheels you'd be a tricycle.
yoo hoo

Erie, PA

#27 Oct 9, 2012
Jay and KHP, simple question: would you recommend pulling a person to the ground if you didn't have control of the loaded gun?
T Nagorra

Erie, PA

#28 Oct 9, 2012
JayLenno wrote:
<quoted text> I bet you also have an argument defending Jerry Sandusky's actions. You liberals ALWAYS back the guilty party.
Sandusky is a republican and so were his protectors.

Back to the topic at hand...

If the gunman was outside, why would anyone go out there? Anyone with a decent intelligence quotient would lock the doors and call the cops.
yoo hoo

Erie, PA

#29 Oct 9, 2012
I'm curious if the gunman was so messed up that he was only semi-conscious. I have a hard time imagining anyone with a free hand on a gun being yanked or grabbed from behind, not firing the weapon.

Also if the gunman had lived I presume one of the charges would have been reckless endangerment. Is it reckless to pull someone to the ground without controlling the weapon?

Reckless endangerment is often charged even if there's no bad outcome. Just a thought.
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Erie, PA

#30 Oct 9, 2012
Agreed. I have an easier time believing a gun is more likely to fall out when going to the ground than not being fired when grabbed and choked from behind (when weapon is drawn).
Withheld

Erie, PA

#31 Oct 9, 2012
Correction on above post:

* fall out of wherever/however it was holstered (not drawn).

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