We'll soon clear air with smoking ban

The Pennsylvania smoking ban is law. Now we await the rules and enforcement. The Pennsylvania Department of Health will write the regulations about how the law is to be interpreted and how it will be monitored ...

[generalsn1234567]

Here in Chicago, as more time passes, quite a few small bars are smoking after waiting several months for those new customers to show. Fines are an easier alternative than just giving up and closing without a fight. In areas where real crime is an issue, the local cops prefer seeing the patrons inside the bars. It's the lesser of two evils.

[Ohio Smoking Ban]

This article clearly does not know anything about the Ohio smoking ban. Since passing, there have been over 3000 violations in Ohio. Each $100 fine costs the state $350 to enforce. 14 counties have handed enforcement back to the state because the cost of enforcing the ban was too high. Over 350 privately owned businesses have gone out of business because of the smoking ban. The Ohio legislature took all of the anti-smoking funding from the groups sponsoring the smoking ban, calling them a "rogue" organization. SmokeChoke is one person's private endeavor to rat out ban violators and often serves as a place for smokers to go to find places that allow smoking. The proof of the failure of the Ohio smoking ban lies in a new law by the legislator to provide exemptions to the ban. We sure hope the Ohio legislators are successful. Maybe then Ohio border towns can catch some business from PA citizens instead of Ohioans going to your state. Here is a link to a story showing the real facts about the Ohio smoking ban,http://www.chroniclet.com/ 2008/04/27/one-year-later-how- have-area-businesses-fared-sin ce-the-smoking-ban/
Before writing a story, next time check out the facts. This story has no facts where Ohio is concerned.

[Ohio Smoking Ban]

30,000 violations, not 3,000

[Roger]

Now lets go after a tax, or ban on Alcohol. Whats fair for the Goose is fair the Gander.

[Omniscient1]

Roger wrote:

Now lets go after a tax, or ban on Alcohol. Whats fair for the Goose is fair the Gander.

Nope. You're comparing apples to oranges.

[u cannot own me]

s-t-u-p-i-d wrote:

my hat off to jane earll.you i-d-i-o-t-s- do you understand you also have a right also. stay out of the smoking areas..this is not a smoking issue or a non smoking issue.. it was the right of the property owner period...if you wish which no one is stopping you. go to the bank borrow 200,000 dollars open up your own fricking place. then have the goverment tell you what the h you can or can not do. keep your 20 40 dollars in your pocket and stay the h out of my business. i spend thousand of dollars paying my property tax, loan for my business, i pay employees, benefits to my employees local tax state taxes and federal taxes and i also school taxes. you may spend 20 40 dollars in my business. if you wish for a law that stop killing let go after abortion, guns, drinking, cars smog trucks smog and semi truck and bus smog. and why stop there. let go after
s-t-u-p-i-d- news papers owner. and why stop there why do we jail s-t-u-p-i-d people. or fat obese people and where is this going to stop it doesn't because we want goverment to take all of our rights from us. because we are stupid people who need goverment to step in and tell us what is right or wrong.

Cincinnati? Have you emailed or wrote the senators yet to ask that they support SB346?

[Nemo31]

I see the ETN has finally admitted that they use the word "we" admitting their bias. This liitle point should have been stated prior to everyone of the 30 or so articles supporting government intervention on private property. The ETNs coverage, not coverage, but actual participation on shaping opinion and lack of objective reporting of real truths just proves their prejudice. If they were really concerned with this nannystate legislation. They would question a law passed that goes into effect 90 days after the gov signed it without a written enforcement or exemption policy. Bad government at its best. Having the health department make policy decisions on this subject is like being a Jew and having your jury made up of Nazis and Al-Queda.
ETN=Dimwits

You can keep your no safe level and have my saftey. I prefer my liberty. If one has no liberty there is no saftey!

[ARRRGH]

Go ahead and keep raising the taxes on Cigarettes...then when everyone quits smoking b/c of the bans and ridiculous taxes, then they will raise taxes on other things to make up for the strain from lost cigarette sales! Who do you think is going to have to pay those taxes?? Mr. and Mrs. Ass Bag Anti!!! So keep bitching, and when you're stuck with higher taxes you'll have no one to complain to because it's fucktards like you that made it this way!!

Factoid: Did you know the three leading facist leaders (Benito Mussolini, Franco, & Adolf Hitler) all abstained from tobacco and smoking?

[Bill Hannegan]

Air filtration can clear the air better than a smoking ban.

http://www.marthbrothers.com/Indoor_Enviro_So...

[Been There]

Until one can get all these self important people to understand that these aren’t grass roots movements and no one really cares one wit about whether or not they are exposed to shs, you’re fighting a losing battle. One would think when they read an article about a new ban and there’s one line about people not being exposed to shs any more and six paragraphs about how many people call the hot lines and how many people quit smoking, they would get a clue. How can 80% of the population be so damn dense? A long time ago, the world health organization (I refuse to capitalize it) decided that with an aging population, third world countries would go belly up because of health care costs. The plan they came up with to try and correct the problem (as they saw it) included reducing the smoking rate world wide to 12%. It isn’t their only goal and I hope I live long enough to get to say –“I told you so”- when those self righteous defenders of government intrusion find their lifestyles are up for grabs for the good of poor third world countries. Actually if I live long enough, I will get to see America become one of those poor countries. The G-8 summit meetings are going on right now and if the rest of the world has its way there will be a lot of changes that are going to effect more than just smokers. I never thought I would see the day when a country that caught up with and then surpassed the rest of the world with hard work and a constitution that guaranteed freedom to every one, would have a population that would take their freedoms so lightly. As we have just seen in Africa, having elections is not the true cornerstone of a free country. The true cornerstone of a free society is the ability of an individual to own property. What a sad country we have become when a health organization that is an arm of the u n (I refuse to capitalize it) can pray on peoples’ fears and dictate our lifestyle in the land of the free.

[bluejeep_04]

ARRRGH wrote:

Go ahead and keep raising the taxes on Cigarettes...then when everyone quits smoking b/c of the bans and ridiculous taxes, then they will raise taxes on other things to make up for the strain from lost cigarette sales! Who do you think is going to have to pay those taxes?? Mr. and Mrs. Ass Bag Anti!!! So keep bitching, and when you're stuck with higher taxes you'll have no one to complain to because it's fucktards like you that made it this way!!
Factoid: Did you know the three leading facist leaders (Benito Mussolini, Franco, & Adolf Hitler) all abstained from tobacco and smoking?

there are going to be millions of people out of a job if cigerette company have to close shop and this is going to be world wide . right now there is a more important incident going on and that is the energy crisis . the stupid government has there issues screwed up like usaull

[smokedbacon]

About Ohio's ANTI SMOKING BAN
I know personally that enforcement on this smoking ban is not being applied as a strategic plan by the ACS. Negative press is something that is to be neutralized for them to succeed. They found out in California that stringent enforcement brings about to much outcry and becomes a building block for anti ban groups to build upon. For a example a lot of private businesses do not want government interference. The owner of a antique store does not want to get a warning letter from the ODH for not displaying the Smoking Ban decal on the entry ways of their building, nor do they want to be told that they can not lite one up in the private office of their establishment as a owner. These are people we need! They might not even be smokers but they do not want the health department screwing with them. We have friends.
If you notice enforcement is hit and miss as in being very selective. They will pounce upon clubs in a flash but leave a bar alone as the club represents a group that can gel and become a organized threat unlike a bar that has for the most part the owner to contend with.
For a example the American Legion I used to belong to put a smokers building out back for smokers. It is a enclosed building a no no under the ban but yet they are being allowed to use it by the Health Department. Why is this? Another bar which has a enclosed patio firmly attached to the building with a door way and has no Ban Signs on the door is not hassled by the Health Department. I reported this bar and guess what? It does not show up on the complaint list! The reason was the bar owner said he would not join in a fight against the ban as it was not hurting his business! Is this guy a nut or that naive?
Face it if enforcement was stringent we would have ammunition that would solidly repute the no loss of business the ACS contends happens with smoking bans. Anyone that saw the first few weeks of the ban saw a crash if a bar enforced it. So a few bars said screw it and the others came back to allow smoking and still do! MOST DO IN MY AREA!

[Jamie]

This is just crazy! its like im a bad person cuz i smoke. Im just gonna have to go buy a crown7 lol...At least i can smoke in the bar with that.

[unanimous]

Bill Hannegan wrote:

Air filtration can clear the air better than a smoking ban.
http://www.marthbrothers.com/Indoor_Enviro_So...

Bill, the brought that up at the original meetings on the smoking ban in Erie and none of the legislatures wanted to listen to the company that sells the filtration system and did so relatively cheap.
The system worked so well that a smoker could sit in the booth next to you and they would not be affected by their smoke at all.

[For the People]

Recently been to Ohio (last week) Was at Cedar Point and one of their hotels. Smokers on the beach and smokers in the park. No one said anything to to them. Who is in charge of enforcing this lovely law? Just like the legislator to pass an UNFUNDED MANDATE. What a bunch of losers.

[smokedbacon]

For the People wrote:

Recently been to Ohio (last week) Was at Cedar Point and one of their hotels. Smokers on the beach and smokers in the park. No one said anything to to them. Who is in charge of enforcing this lovely law? Just like the legislator to pass an UNFUNDED MANDATE. What a bunch of losers.

Excuse me the legislature did not make this dang ban! Outdoor smoking was not included by the American Cancer Society in the Smoke Free Law it would have been to big of a bite. However some idiotic communities have came up with some dumb ideas, backed of course by the ACS.
But let me tell you you want to ban smoking in a park or on a beach? Then the next time you fire up a camp fire in a state park and sprue more carcinogens than 100 smokers please allow me to short cut the bathroom and put your fire out!

[Happy Contented Soul]

For the People wrote:

Recently been to Ohio (last week) Was at Cedar Point and one of their hotels. Smokers on the beach and smokers in the park. No one said anything to to them. Who is in charge of enforcing this lovely law? Just like the legislator to pass an UNFUNDED MANDATE. What a bunch of losers.

You lose.... LMAO@U.

[Bill Hannegan]

unanimous wrote:

<quoted text>
Bill, the brought that up at the original meetings on the smoking ban in Erie and none of the legislatures wanted to listen to the company that sells the filtration system and did so relatively cheap.
The system worked so well that a smoker could sit in the booth next to you and they would not be affected by their smoke at all.

That speaks volumes.

[george]

Omniscient1 wrote:

<quoted text>
Nope. You're comparing apples to oranges.

now lets ban politicians also,they are nogood.

[generalsn1234567]

The RJ Wood foundation will most likely need to hire it's own army of "smoking police" dressed in "Hazmat" style protective clothing to prevent them from instant death when entering a bar with a smoker present if they want total compliance.