Utah Mine Collapses After Quake, 6 Trapped

There are 133 comments on the CBS 2 - KCAL 9 story from Aug 6, 2007, titled Utah Mine Collapses After Quake, 6 Trapped. In it, CBS 2 - KCAL 9 reports that:

A coal mine collapsed Monday in central Utah, trapping six miners, less than 20 miles from the epicenter of a minor earthquake, authorities said.The Genwal mine reported a "cave-in" at 3:50 a.m., an hour after ...

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Ededed

New York, NY

#111 Aug 7, 2007
Chatty wrote:
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Did you see the press conference the owner gave today? He came off like a real nut. It was very bizarre.
Saw part of his deposition in Congress a while ago - the guy is as delusional as our CEO in the House -Sadly, but this looks like another case of reckless operator, hundred of violations and no enforcement to correct the problems and exploiting illegals miners from Mexico

Easy to be blessed by Rulers with no morals, and life goes on in Contemporary Sad America - it was not supposed to be like that - Nero may call for copyright violation - he first burned down a city (Rome)
Tragedy2

Denver, CO

#112 Aug 7, 2007
If this, or something similar happen's to you or a family member, please be sure to say the exact same Thing. "Mormons attacked by God"

mormons attacked by god
In Conclusion

Bronx, NY

#114 Aug 7, 2007
After reviewing these posts, I have to conclude that the saying is appropo "The masses are a**es." God help us all from the idiocy that abounds in this nation.
RAJ From Newport News

Norfolk, VA

#115 Aug 7, 2007
Chatty wrote:
My prayers are with the families of this terrible accident. I can't imagine what they are going through.
Now, I CAN NOT believe some have actually found a way to turn this particular topic into a Bush bashing. Ridiculous. Can't you find a way to blame Michael Vick too? Geez.
I wish you had just ignored the negative junk. Instead you jumped to the mess, and made it worse. You made a great pail of milk then kicked it over.
RAJ From Newport News

Norfolk, VA

#116 Aug 7, 2007
EDUCATOR wrote:
<quoted text>I am so sorry for you as I sense no compassion in your post. Maybe there is an "empathy course you could enroll in. THanks to all who so kindly offered prayer.
I love reading your post!!
HonestTruth

Elberfeld, IN

#118 Aug 7, 2007
First of all George Bush has nothing to do with this and no one is forced to be a coal miner. Lack of education does not force one to become a coal miner. The days of the stereotypical illiterate tobacco chewing coal miner are long gone. Everything is multi million dollar computerized high tech equipment. I have a college education but i can make more money in the long run by mining
than my degree would allow me otherwise.

Roof falls are a daily occurence in most mines. About the only time an entire mines will collapse is when a "mountain bump" occurs. This is usually several years later after a mine has been shut down. When this happens all the supporting pillars will blow out and the entire mountain top will set down. There are most likely large areas in this mine where the top is solid and has not fell. There could be several multiple hundred thousand square foot of available oxygen. Since there was not an explosion there should not be any carbon monoxide present. Also there should be numerous oxygen tanks and cases of bottled water located at supply shacks throughout the interior of the mines. If the miners barricade or build a large room and move oxygen tanks and cases of water into it they should not have any trouble waiting for a bore hole to reach them so they can drop food and supplies down to them.

Chatty commented...

"Did you see the press conference the owner gave today? He came off like a real nut. It was very bizarre."

I have worked for Bob Murray at two of his mines up in Galatia Illinois. I also have family who are employed at his Ken America Mine in Muhlenburg County Kentucky. Bob Murray is a very bizarre person and you will never figure out what he is going to do or say from one minute to the next.
I have stood in the bathhouse prior to shift change where Murray would be present and hollering every expletive and curse word imagineable. He would start with thouroughly cursing and humiliating the upper mine management and proceed down to face bosses and then the individual miners. When a boss would offer proof our mine was running higher production tonage rate than others in the area murray would become enraged and "open the gates of hell" on him. No one can do enough to please him and he never says a positive word of encouragement to a single living soul. But then he will turn around and say "I try to treat everyone as the Good Lord would have me treat them". For some reason he always feels the need to add God into his strange behavior.
In the Galatia mines i worked on units where you could throw a hand full of dust and it would hang suspended in the air. This means very little ventilation is present which contributes to build up on carbon monoxide and explosive methane gas. This was a "hot" mines meaning when all equipment was shut down and it was quiet you could hear methane gas hissing out of the coal pillars. Blatant disregard for safety was so common at the Illinois Mines that it would make your fingernails curl up.
Now what i am going to type next is only a theory and nothing more than a theory. I am not a mind reader therefore i cant presume to read Bob Murrays mind. But Mr. Murray is stating this disaster originated from an earth quake. He is also stating rescue operations are being frequently suspended due to ongoing seismic activity/tremors. If safety was ignored to the extent it was at the Illinois Mines Bob Murray might be playing the seismic activity/tremor card for all its worth. The more frequently rescue operations can be halted would mean it more likely the miners would die. Dead men tell no tales.
Matthew Arnold from MI

United States

#119 Aug 7, 2007
i despise political cut and paste types.
Lucy

Scottsdale, AZ

#120 Aug 7, 2007
You're kidding,right?? May I ask you what superior, God fearing profession you're in that you can make a comment like that?? Oh wait a minute...Are you GOD. I think not.... Keep your focus on the miners and their families. God Bless and prayers to the miners and their families.
Where_s George wrote:
I'd just like to know where George Bush was when this happened.
dIrte pOlitician

Jerseyville, IL

#122 Aug 8, 2007
Now they say 3 of the 6 might be Mexican nationals doing the jobs lazy americans won't. I always notice one thing whenever a hispanic politician from Chicago says they do the jobs americans won't then that low life needs to get a new job.
dIrte pOlitician

Jerseyville, IL

#123 Aug 8, 2007
Were these people union or non-union? It's looking more and more like a bunch of scabs that will die at the merciless hands of a slavedriver.

“I wouldn't eat that!”

Since: Jun 07

United States

#124 Aug 8, 2007
HonestTruth wrote:
.....Now what i am going to type next is only a theory and nothing more than a theory. I am not a mind reader therefore i cant presume to read Bob Murrays mind. But Mr. Murray is stating this disaster originated from an earth quake. He is also stating rescue operations are being frequently suspended due to ongoing seismic activity/tremors. If safety was ignored to the extent it was at the Illinois Mines Bob Murray might be playing the seismic activity/tremor card for all its worth. The more frequently rescue operations can be halted would mean it more likely the miners would die. Dead men tell no tales.
This is my hometown. I know the miners who are in there, even though "only one" has been identified. I know the families, and even the immigrant families. This is such a close-knit community and it's devastating that they are going to die, if they haven't already. My sister spoke to a friend who's husband is part of the effort and works at the mine and he said, "there is no hope of those men coming out alive." He said the entire pillar is deteriorated and that Bob Murray is saying there are 8 pillars around them still standing, he said this is not true. My sister's friend also told her that when this guy bought the mine, he called a meeting at the end of the overnight shift... babbled on for 3 hours while these men were forced to listen to him after they had been exhausted and working all night. If anyone in the meeting dozed off, they were fired on the spot. If anyone spoke up about something he said, that they didn't agree with, they were fired on the spot. Many of the men that were in that meeting ended up moving to Wyoming because they didn't want to work for this tyrant. I agree, he throws the name of the Lord around like it means something to him. We don't know if it does or doesn't, but a character like him is a poor representative of the honest, humble, kind people of Emery County, UT. I hope the general public isn't confused and believes that this guy is somehow like the men he is "trying to save" or the people of the community, because he's NOT. Your theory about him intentionally calling off rescue efforts is interesting, but I do think that (thankfully) there are probably enough other big-wigs with more power than he has who are overseeing the operation, and wouldn't let that happen. Either way, those men are not going to survive, there is no way that help will arrive before their one hour oxygen tanks run out. These men are taught to ration air and water, but how can you ration something that isn't there?

“I wouldn't eat that!”

Since: Jun 07

United States

#125 Aug 8, 2007
dIrte pOlitician wrote:
Were these people union or non-union? It's looking more and more like a bunch of scabs that will die at the merciless hands of a slavedriver.
Watch your mouth, pal. These "scabs" are FAMILY MEN. One of them has been working in the mines for 33 years and is ready to retire. He also lives 7 houses down from my parents. And is a good friend of the family. Nice to know you can just jump on the internet and say whatever nasty thing you want because the anonymity of the internet will protect you. Well, guess what? That may be true, but selling your character comes a higher price to you in the end anyway.
EDUCATOR

United States

#126 Aug 8, 2007
RAJ From Newport News wrote:
<quoted text>
I love reading your post!!
THank you so much!!!!!! I needed that. I am trying to be a blessing to someone! LIfe is short for all, and we must have compassion to help others get through this sad world we are just passing through. God bless you much and I am praying for all on this forum and especially for families of the miners.
HonestTruth

Elberfeld, IN

#127 Aug 8, 2007
"Your theory about him intentionally calling off rescue efforts is interesting, but I do think that (thankfully) there are probably enough other big-wigs with more power than he has who are overseeing the operation, and wouldn't let that happen."

These big wigs are a federal agency called MSHA. They a rehashed version of the old MESA. Way back when MSHA was converted over to MESA a number of the major mine safety laws lost their teeth. I dont know about how MSHA operates out in Utah but here in KY and IL about the only violations they write up are for inadequate ventilation. MSHA will often ignore numerous violations in favor of thinking adequate ventilation will compensate for those ignored and resulting in a safer mine.

At the Murray Mines in Galatia Illinois we used to have to keep an eye on the young guys when Murray would be close by. If their faces werent dirty enough we would have to explain to them to rub on coal dust because there was a possibilty they could get fired for not being dirty enough. If something was idled we would explain to them to have something in their hands so it would look like they were either doing something or in the middle of something.

Bob Murray is big on anti-union propoganda techniques. I once heard him say if we voted the union in he would shut the mines down and sink another shaft down the road. And there were plenty of mexicans who would be glad to work that mines for less money on the hour.

The last rumored (emphasis on the word rumored) report i heard from Illinois was Peabody gave Murray a brand new long wall miner to mine their coal. Murray supposedly sold it without Peabody's knowledge and installed a previously used longwall unit. The junk equipment had mix matched size shields and was constantly wedging out and production was horrible. He was also giving his daily cursings and hell raising fits while blaming the poor production on the miners. When Peabody came in and asked why their brand new state of the art longwall unit was not running mine personel thought they were joking. Mine personell had to explain the longwall unit arrived in poor used condition and had been breaking down since day one.
Chatty

Decatur, GA

#128 Aug 8, 2007
bb
HonestTruth wrote:
First of all George Bush has nothing to do with this and no one is forced to be a coal miner. Lack of education does not force one to become a coal miner. The days of the stereotypical illiterate tobacco chewing coal miner are long gone. Everything is multi million dollar computerized high tech equipment. I have a college education but i can make more money in the long run by mining
than my degree would allow me otherwise.
Roof falls are a daily occurence in most mines. About the only time an entire mines will collapse is when a "mountain bump" occurs. This is usually several years later after a mine has been shut down. When this happens all the supporting pillars will blow out and the entire mountain top will set down. There are most likely large areas in this mine where the top is solid and has not fell. There could be several multiple hundred thousand square foot of available oxygen. Since there was not an explosion there should not be any carbon monoxide present. Also there should be numerous oxygen tanks and cases of bottled water located at supply shacks throughout the interior of the mines. If the miners barricade or build a large room and move oxygen tanks and cases of water into it they should not have any trouble waiting for a bore hole to reach them so they can drop food and supplies down to them.
Chatty commented...
"Did you see the press conference the owner gave today? He came off like a real nut. It was very bizarre."
I have worked for Bob Murray at two of his mines up in Galatia Illinois. I also have family who are employed at his Ken America Mine in Muhlenburg County Kentucky. Bob Murray is a very bizarre person and you will never figure out what he is going to do or say from one minute to the next.
I have stood in the bathhouse prior to shift change where Murray would be present and hollering every expletive and curse word imagineable. He would start with thouroughly cursing and humiliating the upper mine management and proceed down to face bosses and then the individual miners. When a boss would offer proof our mine was running higher production tonage rate than others in the area murray would become enraged and "open the gates of hell" on him. No one can do enough to please him and he never says a positive word of encouragement to a single living soul. But then he will turn around and say "I try to treat everyone as the Good Lord would have me treat them". For some reason he always feels the need to add God into his strange behavior.
In the Galatia mines i worked on units where you could throw a hand full of dust and it would hang suspended in the air. This means very little ventilation is present which contributes to build up on carbon monoxide and explosive methane gas. This was a "hot" mines meaning when all equipment was shut down and it was quiet you could hear methane gas hissing out of the coal pillars. Blatant disregard for safety was so common at the Illinois Mines that it would make your fingernails curl up.
Now what i am going to type next is only a theory and nothing more than a theory. I am not a mind reader therefore i cant presume to read Bob Murrays mind. But Mr. Murray is stating this disaster originated from an earth quake. He is also stating rescue operations are being frequently suspended due to ongoing seismic activity/tremors. If safety was ignored to the extent it was at the Illinois Mines Bob Murray might be playing the seismic activity/tremor card for all its worth. The more frequently rescue operations can be halted would mean it more likely the miners would die. Dead men tell no tales.
WOW! Based on what you've shared, sounds like he's got serious issues.

I admire the courage of those that work in this dangerous profession. I pray for the miners and their family.b
Tom

Wilmington, DE

#129 Aug 8, 2007
too droll to troll wrote:
The mine owner says earthquake, the US Geological Service says no.
Someone is lying.
Earthquakes don't have to pay restitutions.
Sandra

United States

#130 Aug 8, 2007
The top Greediest mine companies to date:

1. Massey at West Virginia: off the charts violations and streams burial, heinously proud to place coal sludge over top of schools that would be inescapable if they broke [same as Wales, England disaster of sixties] and to be anti union be Don Blankenship of Richmond, VA. headed by Blankenship now.

2. TECO: extra noisy, tearing up KY.
headed by Jim Shackleford.

3. ICG: relatively a newcomer, Wilber Ross bought up some other companies. Would not deliver sympathy when those miners were killed at Sago owned by ICG. Sago [was a non-union mine, everyone knew was unsafe or had numerous violations].

4. A&G Coal Corp. and / or Matt Mining Co.:
Was responsible for the boulder that crushed Virginia male age 3child to death when rolled down mountain on top his house. August 20, 2004, when Jeremy Davidson, a three-year old boy asleep in his bed, was killed when a boulder was pushed from a strip mine above his home.
Sandra

United States

#131 Aug 8, 2007
He out touring the current damage of a certain bridge that collapsed recently at a northern state. You should know that miners don't matter to politicians.
Where_s George wrote:
I'd just like to know where George Bush was when this happened.
people1st

United States

#132 Aug 8, 2007
Where_s George wrote:
I'd just like to know where George Bush was when this happened.
What does that have to do with these families suffering??? How rude to minimize what they are going through just to make a statement of how you feel about George Bush.
this is a PLOT

King Of Prussia, PA

#133 Aug 8, 2007
Carl Rove and some vast open mine conspiracy

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