Report: Police car damage caused by officers' bullets

Full story: Carlsbad Current-Argus

In a city lot, a tarp has blown off a police cruiser sandwiched between two other out-of-service cars.
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cbad2010

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#1
Mar 25, 2010
 
Was it Mendoza that was involved in the shooting?
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Mar 25, 2010
 
LibStomper wrote:
Combat. The level of chaos is immeasurable. Whether in military action or shooting it out with thugs on the street, the goal is survival. When the air is charged and the lead is flying it's all about fire superiority and when you crank the rounds out as fast as you can, some will go astray.
Reckon we ought to be satisfied that only the bad guy died. I can find nothing out of joint here and does it really matter who it was? The officers got to go home and kiss their families. End of story.
I agree. This thing happened close to where I live and I can tell you that the shooting was over in a matter of seconds. The officers did not have time to sit and deliberate over their actions. Their training kicked in and they did the right thing to protect their lives and the lives of others. This man had a weapon and was running and had a history or firing on officers in another city. That is enough for me. He made the choice to run and try to escape and if anyone is to blame it's the suspect not the officers. There is no story here Current-Argus....GIVE IT UP !
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#4
Mar 25, 2010
 
God forbid the media actually look into something to make sure it all happened as told. It's far better that we just accept whatever is told to us by the authorities without question.

Reid. Good job. Did you try a record request? It's kind of weird that Joey is basically encouraging a civil lawsuit at the end.
Formerly of Carlsbad

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#5
Mar 25, 2010
 
The Foundation for Open Government could likely assist in the newspaper's obtaining the officers' names. Their names should be public record under the Inspection of Public Records and/or Public Information Acts.

If the newspaper doesn't challenge this refusal to release public information, who will? When the paper ceases to be an effective watchdog, the people lose a their right to know.
Bad Jo Jo

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#6
Mar 25, 2010
 
My question would be, why did he already have his assault rifle out. Now we buy another car. A guy is dead who never opened fire. We only know what we hear.
Bad Jo Jo

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Mar 25, 2010
 
EnoughAlready wrote:
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I agree. This thing happened close to where I live and I can tell you that the shooting was over in a matter of seconds. The officers did not have time to sit and deliberate over their actions. Their training kicked in and they did the right thing to protect their lives and the lives of others. This man had a weapon and was running and had a history or firing on officers in another city. That is enough for me. He made the choice to run and try to escape and if anyone is to blame it's the suspect not the officers. There is no story here Current-Argus....GIVE IT UP !
Since when does running away warrant a death sentence.
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Mar 25, 2010
 
Bad Jo Jo wrote:
<quoted text>Since when does running away warrant a death sentence.
When you act like a frigging idiot, endangering the public with a 3 ton vehicle! It's hard to believe one of the homeowners didn't smoke him. Good job Carlsbad P.D. Good Job.
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Mar 25, 2010
 
Bad Jo Jo wrote:
<quoted text>Since when does running away warrant a death sentence.
You asked a question and answered it in one sentence. Duh, shooting at the Roswell Police during a traffic stop.
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Mar 25, 2010
 
If Ryan made good choices, maybe he would be alive. However, instead of pulling out a rifle or any other weapon, he used the SUV he was in.

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Mar 25, 2010
 
The assault rifle was out because they were attempting to do a tactical arrest on an armed and dangerous fugitive. He then took off in his vehicle and the Police had to jump into their cars and peruse. That is why there were two officers in one car. His death sentence was issued when he attempted to run them over. In any state that is assault with a deadly weapon. Police officers must met force with equal force. That means if the suspect is using deadly force then the Police may. If the suspect is being combative but no deadly force then the Police may not use deadly force. That is why most law enforcement officers carry Tasers.
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Mar 25, 2010
 
Iam ashamed of the Current Argus for even doing a story on this. This event is over, the fact that the officers have been cleared of any wrongdoing has already been reported. Further reporting now just fans the flames of discontent for those who will slam th police at every opportunity as well as causing further pain to Mr. Baker's family.

As to Chief Gonzales' "encouraging" a civil lawsuit don't read into comments as reported by the media. That is not what was said by the Chief. A responsbile city official will attempt to spend and recover tax dollars wisely. Would "Erm" rather the city simply spend the money for a replacement car without attempting to recover money for a police vehicle that is unusable due to Mr. Baker's actions? Now that would be irresponsibility!
Patio

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Mar 25, 2010
 
Now correct me if I am wrong, which someone will anyway....Isn't a vehicle a deadly weapon????
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Mar 25, 2010
 
Patio wrote:
Now correct me if I am wrong, which someone will anyway....Isn't a vehicle a deadly weapon????
Hell to the yeah!
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Mar 25, 2010
 
Bad Jo Jo wrote:
<quoted text>Since when does running away warrant a death sentence.
Since Baker used his SUV to run down a police. That is a death sentence,especially in Carlsbad!

As far as getting someone to pay for damage, why not point your community in the right direction.
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Mar 25, 2010
 
Let me start by saying that I think the officers did the right thing, and that an SUV is clearly a deadly weapon, especially when you know the driver has already assaulted officers with deadly force. I do not question their actions at all and am glad that it was they who went home after it was over.

I do question the department not releasing their names. In countless numbers of officer-involved shootings I've read about or even investigated in my own career I have never once seen the names be withheld, making me wonder about either the department's policy or the paper's investigation, or both.

The chief's explanation of how the officer shot the roof is questionable as well. If an officer isn't familiar enough with a weapon to know how the barrel length (or any other factor) makes the weapon behave when it is fired then I'd say they shouldn't be carrying that weapon until they have more training in it. Again, I see this as a departmental problem (with their training and/or weapons policies) and not the officer's - if someone's coming at me with a deadly weapon and I have a heavier weapon available to me I'm going to use it too.

All in all, I don't have a single problem with the officers involved but don't think this is as clean as it is being reported, either.
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Mar 25, 2010
 
LibStomper wrote:
Combat. The level of chaos is immeasurable. Whether in military action or shooting it out with thugs on the street, the goal is survival. When the air is charged and the lead is flying it's all about fire superiority and when you crank the rounds out as fast as you can, some will go astray.
Reckon we ought to be satisfied that only the bad guy died. I can find nothing out of joint here and does it really matter who it was? The officers got to go home and kiss their families. End of story.
Good god, man. Go back to your cheap comic books and leave us alone!
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Mar 25, 2010
 
IN THE KNOW wrote:
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You asked a question and answered it in one sentence. Duh, shooting at the Roswell Police during a traffic stop.
You are a scary, scary man. Maybe the shooting was justified--appears so--but not because he had a run in in Roswell earlier.
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Mar 25, 2010
 
Hmmm wrote:
Let me start by saying that I think the officers did the right thing, and that an SUV is clearly a deadly weapon, especially when you know the driver has already assaulted officers with deadly force. I do not question their actions at all and am glad that it was they who went home after it was over.
I do question the department not releasing their names. In countless numbers of officer-involved shootings I've read about or even investigated in my own career I have never once seen the names be withheld, making me wonder about either the department's policy or the paper's investigation, or both.
The chief's explanation of how the officer shot the roof is questionable as well. If an officer isn't familiar enough with a weapon to know how the barrel length (or any other factor) makes the weapon behave when it is fired then I'd say they shouldn't be carrying that weapon until they have more training in it. Again, I see this as a departmental problem (with their training and/or weapons policies) and not the officer's - if someone's coming at me with a deadly weapon and I have a heavier weapon available to me I'm going to use it too.
All in all, I don't have a single problem with the officers involved but don't think this is as clean as it is being reported, either.
Amen, Brutha. If the shooting was "righteous"--which I do not doubt--then let the light of day shine on the ENTIRE report. By holding on to it, the DA is doing a disservice to the brave men in uniform who risked their lives in this incident. It appears that they did NOTHING wrong. The DA however is wrong to withhold the names and the full report. She gives the impression that these brave men have something to hide. They were public servants, serving the public. The public deserves to know how they carried out their duties.

An earlier post is on to something about the use of the "Inspection of Public Records and/or Public Information Acts." The CA should be on this like a demon. I guarantee that the Albuquerque Journal would not sit still for "we are not releasing the names because they are uncharged". Neither, come to think of it, would the Hobbs News Sun or just about any other newspaper with a spine.
stephanie baker

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#21
Mar 25, 2010
 
you know what who in the hell are any of u to say who is right to kill and who isnt,trying to play god isnt a good thing and guess wut the real truth wiull cum out and than when it doesw and those involved in COLD BLOOD MURDER HAVE TO ANSWER TO LAW NUT THIS TIME THEY WILL BE ON THE OTHER SIDE U CAN ONLY HIDE AND COVER UP SUMTHING SO LONG And if u got anything bad to say than keep in mind noone is perfect and noone deserves to be shot so many times in the faCE U CANT EVEN BE IDENTIFIED EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES BUT THAT IS NO EXCUSE TO GET AWAY WITH MURDER BECAUSE OF A BADGE ONLY TIME WILL TELL AND THE TRUTH WILL REVEAL SO UNTIL THAN KEEP IN MIND A HUMAN LIFE WAS LOST HE HAD A MOM A DADA A SISTER BROTHER DAUGHTER AND FAMILY WHO WILL NEVER GET TO SAY GOODBYE AND NEVER REALLY GET CLOSURE CAUSE THOSE OFFICERS TOOK IT AWAY AND WERE SO UPSET ABOUT DOING IT TOLD HIS GIRLFRIEND AND FAMILY MEMBERS HOW IT WAS SO EASY TO DO AND MADE JOKES OF THIS WHAT IF THAT WAS UR SON DAD OR LOVBED ONE WOULD IT BE FUNNY THAN AND BYY THE WAY MY NAME IS STEPHANIE BAKER AND RYAN WAS MY UNCLE SO THOSE WHO DID KNOW HIM DO NOT SPEAK HIS NAME IF U CANT HAVE A HEART FOR THE FACT WE LOST SOMEONE WHO WAS DEAR THAN UR NO BETTER
EnoughAlready

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Mar 25, 2010
 
Bad Jo Jo wrote:
<quoted text>Since when does running away warrant a death sentence.
This guy wasn't just running, he had a history of shooting at officers in Roswell, not to mention the fact he was endangering the lives of many other innocent bystanders with his driving down residential neighorhood streets at very, very high speeds, not stopping much less slowing down when he crossed Church Street. He could have easily killed anyone with his actions, citizens, police you name it. I saw this thing go down. As desperate as he was, if he had not yet attempted to shoot the officers, he would have given enough time. The police did the right thing. I guess people like you would rather the police just stand their and wait for him to lock, load and aim and squeeze off a few rounds in the middle of an apartment complex before shooting back? Get real, and grow some brains.

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