Icequeen

United States

#41 Nov 13, 2008
Doddridge Citizen wrote:
I looked at the pics. If I had that pile on my farm, I'd be in big trouble right now!
Is she auctioning off horses also? I saw on her site that she's accepting minimum bids?
No, what that is, is she had the previous special where you have the option to bid on the horse...just like EBay. You can email in (once approved as an adopter) & say you want to take the minimum bid & then if someone else wants to bid on the same horse, they have to up it by usually $50 & it goes back & forth till the end of the special. He, who bids highest, wins.

Now the second option is to take the "adopt now" price, if the horse has not been bid on yet & then it pulls the horse from the special & you get it for that price which is just slightly lower than the usual adoption fee.

She usually doesn't remove all the extra wording on them until after Xmas because she will more than likely run this 1 more time...for the Thanksgiving special & then for Xmas she drops the prices WAYYY down.

I thought ppl would like to see for themselves the lovely manure pile. And like I pointed out about the soupy pools...that's bad news bears & it shows just how bad it is.

Since: Feb 08

Greenwood WV

#42 Nov 13, 2008
Thanks for explaining the bidding thing. I know auctions are highly regulated in WV and it sounded like that's what she is doing. Two people bidding on the same horse.

Have you contacted the media about the stable? Any interest there?
Victim of Celeita

United States

#43 Jan 8, 2009
She claims to own that property but I know for A FACT that the mortgage is STILL in her ex-husband's name. She never changed it over because she could never get the financing in her name. She is a liar and a thief and a cheat and a fraud. I'm just sorry I had to get to find this out the hard way.
I checked

Penn Laird, VA

#44 Apr 25, 2009
I checked with the Sheriffs office about 1 month ago and I checked with the IRS and she does not have a 501c3. Someone needs to warn the people she takes horses from and "adopts" them, they think they are getting a tax write off.

Since: Feb 08

Greenwood WV

#45 Apr 25, 2009
Did you see the ads she had in the paper a few weeks ago? They cracked me up. I feel sorry for whoever pays her 1000 a month to be her roommate!
IceQueen

United States

#46 May 16, 2009
Doddridge Citizen wrote:
Did you see the ads she had in the paper a few weeks ago? They cracked me up. I feel sorry for whoever pays her 1000 a month to be her roommate!
Amen to that. She also had ad's in the "Bulletin Board". Did any of you get a load of the pic she put on her website w/ the poor horses bit in wrong? The poor horse's always pay the price there!
D in Doddridge

Orgas, WV

#47 May 24, 2009
I would invite anyone who believes Icequeen's lies to visit Crossed Sabers and have a little chat with C herself. Come visit the barn and see the horses, maybe offer to volunteer some time. Icequeen and others like her only bitch because things didn't go the way they wanted them too. I've been helping out there for 7 years and know a lot more than her. The blacklist started out as a warning against a particular woman who lied and sold adoption horses, which is against the law. This woman went to jail for horse abuse. That was the main reason. It is no longer on C's website, but she was trying to warn people not to deal with certain people after she found out the hard way. There are 2 sides to every story. Crossed Sabers Stable is a legitimate 501c3 non profit organization. Nothing came of Icequeen sending out the sheriff and his posse. They said it was a waste of their time when they investigated the stable. So if you want to know the truth about something, don't just take the word of any old person on the internet. Dig a little deeper. Actually go to the stable and visit. That's all i have to say on this...
townie

Barnesville, OH

#48 May 24, 2009
Check with the IRS and the state. She is NOT a registered 501c3 with the feds and only has a business license in the state. Read back thru this thread.
Robin Hollingsworth

AOL

#51 Jul 5, 2010
SECOND WIND ADOPT - CROSSED SABERS FARM IS NOT A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. IT IS NOT REGISTERED WITH THE US-IRS AS A 501-C3 TAX EXEMPT ORGANIZATION.
PLEASE DO NOT DONATE YOUR HORSE OR ANYTHING TO SECOND WIND WITHOUT FIRST CHECKING WITH THE NON-PROFIT DIVISION OF THE US-IRS. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE THE DONATION AS A TAX WRITE-OFF.
CELETIA KRAMER - OWNER AND OPERATOR IS VIOLATING FEDERAL LAWS BOTH CRIMINAL AND CIVIL.
PROTECT YOURSELF - CHECK THIS ORGANIZATION OUT FIRST!!!
Non Profit

United States

#52 Jul 6, 2010
D in Doddridge wrote:
I would invite anyone who believes Icequeen's lies to visit Crossed Sabers and have a little chat with C herself. Come visit the barn and see the horses, maybe offer to volunteer some time. Icequeen and others like her only bitch because things didn't go the way they wanted them too. I've been helping out there for 7 years and know a lot more than her. The blacklist started out as a warning against a particular woman who lied and sold adoption horses, which is against the law. This woman went to jail for horse abuse. That was the main reason. It is no longer on C's website, but she was trying to warn people not to deal with certain people after she found out the hard way. There are 2 sides to every story. Crossed Sabers Stable is a legitimate 501c3 non profit organization. Nothing came of Icequeen sending out the sheriff and his posse. They said it was a waste of their time when they investigated the stable. So if you want to know the truth about something, don't just take the word of any old person on the internet. Dig a little deeper. Actually go to the stable and visit. That's all i have to say on this...
D of Doddridge. I assume you are volunteering your valuable time there which shows good character and purpose. Did Ms.Kramer tell you she is a Registered 501c3 personally. Below is a link to the Secretary of State's Office showing she is NOT and Never was.

http://apps.sos.wv.gov/business/charities/ind...
for profit

Sainte Genevieve, MO

#53 Jul 6, 2010
I think Crossed Sabers is operating with the intention of making money. So no I don't think for one minute she is a non profit. I don't have a problem with people making a living. But, in this case she begs for money to care for the horses she brings in. Most of the horses she has are horses people have paid her to take and adopt out. So why does she need money to care for them? I feel if you take them in, feed them yourself and quit begging.
IceQueen

Easton, MD

#54 Jul 8, 2010
D in Doddridge wrote:
I would invite anyone who believes Icequeen's lies to visit Crossed Sabers and have a little chat with C herself. Come visit the barn and see the horses, maybe offer to volunteer some time. Icequeen and others like her only bitch because things didn't go the way they wanted them too. I've been helping out there for 7 years and know a lot more than her. The blacklist started out as a warning against a particular woman who lied and sold adoption horses, which is against the law. This woman went to jail for horse abuse. That was the main reason. It is no longer on C's website, but she was trying to warn people not to deal with certain people after she found out the hard way. There are 2 sides to every story. Crossed Sabers Stable is a legitimate 501c3 non profit organization. Nothing came of Icequeen sending out the sheriff and his posse. They said it was a waste of their time when they investigated the stable. So if you want to know the truth about something, don't just take the word of any old person on the internet. Dig a little deeper. Actually go to the stable and visit. That's all i have to say on this...
Don't get me started! The ONLY person that has worked for Celeita Kramer for 7+ yrs is "D" Diana Greenhalgh. IF in fact this is Diana & not Celeita posing as her again or if your still that naive...SHE DOES NOT HAVE A 501C3. And thats 's false statements. You can check any site to see for yourself. Just because Joe the Plumber goes and gets a FEIN #...it does not mean that it has jack to do w/ non profit, tax exempt or whatever fairytale you want to beleive.

And PS, that "Blacklist" came down cuz of my 3 attorneys. Doesn't it suck when you can't just trash ppl cuz they apose you & smear lies & BS about them on the internet. Yes, arrogance & all on this I am in fact laughing at you. Will you never learn?!?

Nothing came of her being investigated by the posse, well when the vet that goes in is a friend...yeah she'll cover for you. Why don't you ask "Emily" the strawberry roan, mother of Regal, Cinnamon & Sugar just how comfy & happy she was while she had a mass of cancer the size bigger than a golf ball behind her eye...HOW HAPPY SHE WAS. Or maybe Dodger that came in from the feild for dinner w/ a 3 1/2 in long 1 1/2 in deep wire cut in his pasturn from a peice of high tensile wire that went in/around his pasturn right into the tendons. Maybe you want to discuss Baby the one who kicked her foot straight thru the stall wall & shredded the face of her cannon bone. NO VET EVER TENDED TO THOSE HORSES INJURIES!

I will absolutely not tolerate animal abuse & strainght up neglect. And again if this is Diana, shame on you because you were right there & witnessed it all helped me 1 or 2 times doctor them up. I quit....you stayed so what does that say about your character & judgement. Accomplices in crime! I still have ALL the pic's.

Like I said before there is nothing that I have not put out there that wont stand up in the court of law...try me, please.

Cat,
Curious Minds

Jonesville, VA

#55 Jul 15, 2010
If this has been going on for so long, then have you went to court? Has this been taken care of? Have you and your 3 lawyers prosecuted? What has been the out come? If not then when is the court date? If you haven't went to court as of yet, then what is taking so long?
barbara boggs

Cameron, WV

#57 Nov 18, 2010
today i have had a newspaper article published about my story above. i also have filed a complaint with the fbi. they were very interested in my story and have let me know that what celeita kramer is doing is against the law. internet fraud. using the internet to defraud and swindle money. they have asked me to post this....anyone who has been scammed by celeita kramer/ second wind adoption/ crossed sabers....to please go to the fbi internet fraud site www.ic3.gov and file a criminal complaint. they have told me that in no way is it illegal to tell the truth!! please file your complaint so she can finally be prosecuted.
mandy

United States

#58 Nov 19, 2010
Where was the article published Barbara? Many people have been scammed by this woman! Many are afraid of her cause she's so mental and she don't hesitate to threaten people
oh no

Sneedville, TN

#59 Nov 20, 2010
In-the-Know

Parkersburg, WV

#60 Nov 22, 2010
Trust that NOBODY who knows ANYTHING about Crossed Sabers and Celeita Kramar has one kind word to say in her behalf. The woman is a habitual liar, scams on a daily basis and is very well known in these parts for horse neglect, knowing little to NOTHING about equine welfare and spending contributions on self. What is not understood is how it is that she can keep on with this madness, since she has a lengthy and unsavory history.(Does she have no family member willing to step-in to see that she gets psychiatric care?). Of course the horses are used for profit, in anyway she can think of. Yet - with all the focus on her - she remains "up and running" and is not in the state pen.

I have been wretchedly low spirited, plagued with shame for the state of West Virginia for having a crazy horse neglector/scammer operating here - countless thousands across the country well aware - and yet nothing has is done to shut Kramar down and ride her out of town on a rail. I will bring the tar and feathers. No wait. We'll encourage Barbara Boggs to ride Kramar like the family mule - all the way to the state line.
In-the-Know

Parkersburg, WV

#61 Nov 22, 2010
To anyone interested and has the time (a LOT of time) to read, here are several discussions about Crossed Sabers that have appeared over the past few years:

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread....
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread....
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread....
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread....
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread....
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread....
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread....
http://forums.ablackhorse.com/lofiversion/ind...

I don't understand how this scammer has been able to continue on as she has over the years. If nothing else, the IRS should have been able to shut her down long before now.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Crossed-Sabers-...



I was interested in adopting a grey standarbred from this place.. he was beautiful . I had just joined another forum and had asked them for their opinion.

some said he was gorgeous, most had a good opinion til one lady from Canada looked him up for me... He was nerved !! in Canada they have to notify the standardbred association when you nerve a horse...... that changed my mind. when I emailed them ( I stupidly thought they might not know he was nerved) I never got any reply or anything.. I did notice that the very next month his adoption price when up !!!


http://fuglyblog.com/...



Sorry but, no one could make all this stuff up! Truth really is stranger than fiction. It's out there for all the world to see if they just take the time to go see it.

Faye

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RUN FAR, FAR AWAY FROM THIS LOONEY!!!!!







loyd

United States

#62 Nov 22, 2010
This lady NEVER comes out of her house, she don't have no idea what going on in her barn. horses are standing in shit with dirty water but she dont care and she hires welfare to work for her but dont chek on them so she blames them all from stealing from her
IceQueen

Independence, WV

#63 Nov 23, 2010
Ah yes, the grey Standardbred...that would be L'Argent & yes he was nerve blocked. I saw that in his file there in the office. I answered that question for several ppl that wanted to adopt him. I wouldn't hide crap from somebody when they called or emailed but C always did.

That was one of our lil disputes oneday because Celeita didn't want me telling potential adopters about "CP" Command Post a seal bay, STB that was there. He was a prior racer & had a suspensory injury & was on layup.
She wanted me to wait until they came to see him...well
1.) they would have wasted a trip if they didn't want to wait on layup time
2.) the ppl had kids & we know how our children can be, they only see the pretty not the "Will he heal properly & be sound"!!!

And yes she has/had ppl from DHHR (welfare)that work for her because Crossed Sabers Stables is listed in the WV Works Program as a voluteer program & she will sign off on their papers to show they put in hours working there. They're SUPPOSE to do the work on a volunteer bases but I know she has paided several & at the traditional $5 a hour cash.

Cat,

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