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Since: Feb 08

Greenwood WV

#1 Oct 27, 2008
Someone in the West Union forum is asking about the stable. I did some googling and whoa! Anyone been there recently?
doddg runner

United States

#2 Oct 31, 2008
Heard she's not legit and the sheriff has been out there. Should get a lot of stuff googling her name from what I've heard. Think the last name is Cramer or Kramer? Check with Magistrate court to.

Since: Feb 08

Greenwood WV

#3 Oct 31, 2008
It's Kramer. A lot of people have donated money to the stable thinking they were a non profit...including me. Apparently she never was a non profit like she claimed.
Icequeen

United States

#4 Nov 4, 2008
BEWARE: No she is not legit & you are among hundreds of ppl that she has taken for a ride. You can find all kinds of info on the following link.

Proof that she's not 501c3, that she has never had a tax exempt status EVER(all though she is trying for it now) which means that all donations were illegally solicited, the sheriff’s office was out there on July 1, 08 to investigate her on animal cruelty & neglect, old COTH forums, ppl that she has threatened & harassed & much more.

This site has gathered almost everything that there is out there on her so far, even her latest foiled attempt to take the public for $10,200 from the "Fundable" fundraiser site.

If you have found new info your more than welcome to post about it. Anyone needing specifics just contact me, if I don't have it I will know who does.

http://theicequeen.yuku.com/directory

Since: Feb 08

Greenwood WV

#5 Nov 4, 2008
Icequeen wrote:
BEWARE: No she is not legit & you are among hundreds of ppl that she has taken for a ride. You can find all kinds of info on the following link.
Proof that she's not 501c3, that she has never had a tax exempt status EVER(all though she is trying for it now) which means that all donations were illegally solicited, the sheriff’s office was out there on July 1, 08 to investigate her on animal cruelty & neglect, old COTH forums, ppl that she has threatened & harassed & much more.
This site has gathered almost everything that there is out there on her so far, even her latest foiled attempt to take the public for $10,200 from the "Fundable" fundraiser site.
If you have found new info your more than welcome to post about it. Anyone needing specifics just contact me, if I don't have it I will know who does.
http://theicequeen.yuku.com/directory
The people saying they have gotten their tax write offs better hope they don't get audited. It's not gonna be pretty!

She claimed to have been trained at Meredith Manor. That isn't on her web site though. Do you know if it's true?

Are you the family that she threw out of the farm when her fiance filed the protection order to get her out of his house? I can't believe someone would do that to a family with children. From what I've learned so far, sounds like she needs a mental evaluation!

Are there currently any ongoing investigations?
Icequeen

United States

#6 Nov 4, 2008
Yes that would be me! My family & I were asked to move out even after she told us we had nothing to worry about. She said that she would go stay at her mother’s until school was out so that we would not have to uproot the kids & make them move again during the same school year. She said & I quote "That's the least I can do for you all, I'm so sorry that this is happening"...& I have proof of that. We were in a motel for 3 months because of her. You don't try moving in winter & especially w/ a family of 6 & don't forget the animals!

As for Merideth Manor, I've not heard her say she took any classes there but she constantly talked crap about the place. She's very pissed that they receive grant $$$ to fund them (I don't know there specifics, just going on what she said).

Current investigations: IRS & the state of WV.
Her recently acquired business licenses are because I reported her to them back in August. She picked the wrong person to screw over this time. As you've seen the ID name matches the forum, yes its mine. I will continue to place all the facts to be known about her there & try & help anyone that I can along the way. She can say what she wants about me...I know what the truth is. Plus C can't control her mouth or fingers on a keyboard & she continuously messes up. She can't remember what lie she told to whom!!!! But I'll be there to put it all together on my forum to help her out LOL, LOL. This is why my blacklist write up has changed over 11 different times now.

Since: Feb 08

Greenwood WV

#7 Nov 4, 2008
When I talked to her about Meredith, she had nothing bad to say about it at all. She told me she used the same training methods and feeding program that Meredith used and that she was trained there. This was at her Christmas show, party in 1998 I think.

I spoke with Ron Meredith a while after that and he didn't recognize her name. We found another trainer for my daughter and her horse so I didn't look into it any more.

When she was evicted from the farm in Alma, you should have heard the sob story we got. At that time I still wasn't aware of the truth and we helped her out. Boy, do I feel like a fool now. She said she was really worried about the family living back at her old farm. I see now she wasn't all that worried.
Icequeen

United States

#8 Nov 4, 2008
I never heard any of that about Meredith, just the complaining. She was so mad because she couldn't get grants like them. She would bash ppl that had gone there, saying that they have no clue what they are doing & they get all that $$$ just handed to them. She would make it sound like they were just up the street to. But they're not. She had me lost. I had no clue as to why she was so mad at them except for the grant thing.

And no, she definitely wasn't worried about my family that became quite apparent. Lies after lies & when it came down to her refusing to call the vet on those 2 injured horses, I said enough was enough & quit. So of course she lost her glorified slave & blacklisted the daylights out of me & my family.

She has taken so many ppl for a ride it's amazing whether they were past employees, adopters, donors of horses or just ppl that donated $$$ to her thinking it was on the up & up.

I didn't get to see all of the things she sent out to everyone when she was evicted...saw some but not all. I bet it made (like usual) for very interesting reading!

Glad to see you were able to find a trainer for your daughter & don't be too hard on yourself, I've even seen where she fooled an attorney & they're usually pretty savvy. Celeita is very smooth & cunning or so she likes to think so these days. I'm becoming one of her biggest party poopers!

Since: Feb 08

Greenwood WV

#9 Nov 4, 2008
We never got an e-mail..just phone calls...Several of them.

Good for you for speaking out. In a small town like this, it's easy to go unnoticed.

I'm really sorry about what happened to your family. I hope you are all ok now. Especially the kids.

The lack of postings on this forum will show you how little the locals pay attention to "outsiders".
Icequeen

United States

#10 Nov 4, 2008
Well the kids are doing much better now thank goodness. It was very embarrassing for them to say the least.

I have placed a link to this on my forum site so it should get a little more attention from locals & others. I also posted on the other topic on here pertaining to Celeita & her business entities.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/harrisville-w...

I can't believe she was actually calling ppl, she said she was sending out emails...she falls short of nothing amazing these days. It's always Gimme, gimme, gimme.

Well off to make dinner, please check out the forum site kick back w/ a good drink because there is lots to read there. The past threads are on there from other sites in the "View Only" section. And "The Links to Interesting Reading" has a slew of other sites to check out. Your more than willing to speak quite freely there!
Living In Doddridge

United States

#11 Nov 5, 2008
Icequeen wrote:
Well the kids are doing much better now thank goodness. It was very embarrassing for them to say the least.
I have placed a link to this on my forum site so it should get a little more attention from locals & others. I also posted on the other topic on here pertaining to Celeita & her business entities.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/harrisville-w... ICEQUEEN,put on a blanket!
I can't believe she was actually calling ppl, she said she was sending out emails...she falls short of nothing amazing these days. It's always Gimme, gimme, gimme.
Well off to make dinner, please check out the forum site kick back w/ a good drink because there is lots to read there. The past threads are on there from other sites in the "View Only" section. And "The Links to Interesting Reading" has a slew of other sites to check out. Your more than willing to speak quite freely there!
ICEQUEEN,puy on a blanket
Amanda Stewart

Buckhannon, WV

#12 Nov 5, 2008
I checked in to her educational background that she had listed on her website as a sort of "resume."

It was not AT ALL accurate--you can see the info on the old Chronicles of the Horse (COTH) forum...too many details to list!

Suffice it to say she does NOT have the degrees she says she has, other than a BS in Education from WV State.
Icequeen

United States

#13 Nov 5, 2008
Living In Doddridge wrote:
<quoted text>ICEQUEEN,puy on a blanket
No need to PUT on a blanket it would only get in my way. Plus blankets are for horses, which it has been really nice weather lately so I haven't had to PUT them back on yet. Cheers.
Living In Doddridge

United States

#14 Nov 6, 2008
ICEQUEEN, Just Joking,I've checked out her site also and it seems she isn't What she says. But maybe she is trying to help the horses? I myself haven't been there for a long time,I've known people who worked for her and were paid under the table and when they asked about the horses conditions they were fired. Yeah,she aint trained.I only hope she is there for those animals.

Since: Feb 08

Greenwood WV

#15 Nov 6, 2008
I still think maybe she fell off a horse or got kicked in the head because her behavior isn't normal!
Living In Doddridge

United States

#16 Nov 6, 2008
I thought she was a little strange,but figured I didn't have to deal with her again.So left it at that. There are a few people who would defend her till the very end though. All I can say keep posting and word will get out,also didn't someone report her?Maybe something will come out of it. She isn't like most people from around here with the good old boys club is she?
Icequeen

United States

#17 Nov 6, 2008
Living In Doddridge wrote:
ICEQUEEN, Just Joking,I've checked out her site also and it seems she isn't What she says. But maybe she is trying to help the horses? I myself haven't been there for a long time,I've known people who worked for her and were paid under the table and when they asked about the horses conditions they were fired. Yeah,she aint trained.I only hope she is there for those animals.
OK, I was testing the water. I have along the way run into some of her blind followers & it is just very upsetting to see her still taking ppl for a ride. The ppl trying to help & the horses don't deserve to be treated the way they are.

I really wish she was all about the horses...that's why I originally took the job & yes it was paid under the table like everyone else. When she kept blowing us off, but yet telling us "OK I'll call the vet" for those 2 injured horses, yet spent boo koo $$$ on herself...I had finally had enough & quit. My husband was seeing what a mess I was when done my work for the day & then the kids started seeing it so I couldn't put them thru anymore.

And from someone that still works there, she said "This is not the 1st time she has refused a vet for a bad injury". It would have only cost $150 to have Baby's leg fixed up. But instead she bought a $3000 car & paid $500+ to have it delivered. And nobody knows the extent to Dodgers injury but I will definitely bank on tendons getting severed...I still have my pics of both nasty injuries.

Right after she was investigated for that she gave away 10 horses to a rescue (ones she couldn't place, & the injured one). Do you remember about the threat to "turn them all loose to fend for themselves"? Well she got rid of those horses & than immediately got more, even thou she was telling everybody in the world "I can't afford to keep them. Currently there are approx 22 horses there on only just under 8 acres. Just plain crazy!

Since: Feb 08

Greenwood WV

#18 Nov 6, 2008
Icequeen wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, I was testing the water. I have along the way run into some of her blind followers & it is just very upsetting to see her still taking ppl for a ride. The ppl trying to help & the horses don't deserve to be treated the way they are.
I really wish she was all about the horses...that's why I originally took the job & yes it was paid under the table like everyone else. When she kept blowing us off, but yet telling us "OK I'll call the vet" for those 2 injured horses, yet spent boo koo $$$ on herself...I had finally had enough & quit. My husband was seeing what a mess I was when done my work for the day & then the kids started seeing it so I couldn't put them thru anymore.
And from someone that still works there, she said "This is not the 1st time she has refused a vet for a bad injury". It would have only cost $150 to have Baby's leg fixed up. But instead she bought a $3000 car & paid $500+ to have it delivered. And nobody knows the extent to Dodgers injury but I will definitely bank on tendons getting severed...I still have my pics of both nasty injuries.
Right after she was investigated for that she gave away 10 horses to a rescue (ones she couldn't place, & the injured one). Do you remember about the threat to "turn them all loose to fend for themselves"? Well she got rid of those horses & than immediately got more, even thou she was telling everybody in the world "I can't afford to keep them. Currently there are approx 22 horses there on only just under 8 acres. Just plain crazy!
Has anyone complained to wage and hour about being paid under the table?
Icequeen

United States

#19 Nov 6, 2008
Living In Doddridge wrote:
I thought she was a little strange,but figured I didn't have to deal with her again.So left it at that. There are a few people who would defend her till the very end though. All I can say keep posting and word will get out,also didn't someone report her?Maybe something will come out of it. She isn't like most people from around here with the good old boys club is she?
That be me. I turned over the pics of the injuries to the sheriff’s office & PETA. Someone reported her for her dog "Ike" that she refused to put down as well. And if by chance they read this "THANK YOU" I wasn't even thinking about the dogs since I was the horse trainer. I was dealing w/ to very badly messed up horses in the barn.

There again she said she was gonna do the vet thing & put down both Rastus & Ike. Yet again she lied. Rastus died from her condition & Ike wasn't put to sleep until June. I did blow her lies out of the water thou. She sent me an email where she was blasting one of the head guys thru PETA about "How dare them tell her what to do w/ her dog & that they better have a warrant if they were gonna come get those 2 injured horses". So to help them out...I forwarded them the email she sent out to a bunch of us before I had quit where she had described in detail just how bad off both those dogs were. The only thing I read in that email & cared about was where she was stating that she was gonna put them down in Feb. Well Rastus continued to suffer till mid March.

They also went in & investigated her for her business licenses & mad her obtain some.
Living In Doddridge

United States

#20 Nov 6, 2008
Icequeen wrote:
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That be me. I turned over the pics of the injuries to the sheriff’s office & PETA. Someone reported her for her dog "Ike" that she refused to put down as well. And if by chance they read this "THANK YOU" I wasn't even thinking about the dogs since I was the horse trainer. I was dealing w/ to very badly messed up horses in the barn.
There again she said she was gonna do the vet thing & put down both Rastus & Ike. Yet again she lied. Rastus died from her condition & Ike wasn't put to sleep until June. I did blow her lies out of the water thou. She sent me an email where she was blasting one of the head guys thru PETA about "How dare them tell her what to do w/ her dog & that they better have a warrant if they were gonna come get those 2 injured horses". So to help them out...I forwarded them the email she sent out to a bunch of us before I had quit where she had described in detail just how bad off both those dogs were. The only thing I read in that email & cared about was where she was stating that she was gonna put them down in Feb. Well Rastus continued to suffer till mid March.
They also went in & investigated her for her business licenses & mad her obtain some.
Why hasn't she been shut down then?

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