Father facing charges after Greensbur...

Father facing charges after Greensburg teen shot, killed

There are 87 comments on the WISH-TV Indianapolis story from Mar 21, 2014, titled Father facing charges after Greensburg teen shot, killed. In it, WISH-TV Indianapolis reports that:

GREENSBURG, Ind. - The Greensburg father of a 6-year-old boy who accidentally shot and killed his 13-year-old brother last week is facing charges for the incident.

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Citizen Emeritus

Greenwood, IN

#1 Mar 21, 2014
Ain't it a bunch of malarkey?
whatever

Greensburg, IN

#2 Mar 21, 2014
You ought to know malarkey because you make enough of it.
Citizen Emeritus

Greenwood, IN

#5 Mar 21, 2014
There's no end to the cruel things you'll say, Englewood.

As with the loaded gun, I knew where my father's police revolver was kept when he was off duty. I wasn't intent on doing harm to myself or another. It was impressed upon me as a child that guns weren't to be played with.

My father didn't drink then. It was after he retired, my sister moved back to Greensburg from Columbus and his wife died, that he began drinking. Drunks love company and what else did my sister have to offer the old man?

Its bad enough that the man in the article will mourn the loss of a son, but will it make his mourning any better to be behind bars? Is prison the place a tortured soul will find relief? Will it enhance his bond with remaining family? Will YOU be there to minister for him or are you intent to let his soul fester and rot for the "breaks of life?"
larry

Elizabethtown, IN

#6 Mar 21, 2014
One..not his son.. and two, its what should be taking place, its because of his neglect that the child is gone.. He has always been a great guy, nice to hang out with, work with, but he made a dumb mistake..not once but twice in the same week.. He had his wake up call..his scare per say with the gun and the child &didnt take care of it and as a result of not being the parent he should have been, the family and community has lost an amazing young man..
Citizen Emeritus

Greenwood, IN

#7 Mar 22, 2014
larry wrote:
... he made a dumb mistake ...
Then the issue is criminal neglect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_neglige...

[An excerpt]

It is defined as an act that is: careless, inattentive, neglectful, willfully blind, or in the case of gross negligence what would have been reckless in any other defendant.[...] Negligence shows the least level of culpability, INTENTION being the most serious and RECKLESSNESS of intermediate seriousness, overlapping with GROSS NEGLIGENCE.

The distinction between recklessness and criminal negligence lies in the presence or absence of foresight as to the prohibited consequences. Recklessness is usually described as a 'malfeasance' where the defendant knowingly exposes another to the risk of injury. The fault lies in being willing to run the risk. But criminal negligence is a 'misfeasance or 'nonfeasance'(see omission), where the fault lies in the failure to foresee and so allow otherwise avoidable dangers to manifest.[...]

Negligence arises when, on a subjective test, an accused has not actually foreseen the potentially adverse consequences to the planned actions, and has gone ahead, exposing a particular individual or unknown victim to the risk of suffering injury or loss. The accused is a social danger because he or she has endangered the safety of others in circumstances where the reasonable person would have foreseen the injury and taken preventive measures.

[End of excerpt]

That's the general standard of the law. However, the People (by jury) define law's purpose.

Is the law's purpose to be merely retributive?

Or can society to be lenient for a "dumb mistake" made which involves a firearm?

What will society gain by affixing a "criminal" label on the accused for a "dumb mistake?"
seriously

United States

#8 Mar 22, 2014
Citizen Emeritus wrote:
Its bad enough that the man in the article will mourn the loss of a son, but will it make his mourning any better to be behind bars? Is prison the place a tortured soul will find relief?
NO, it is NOT bad enough that he has to mourn. Its bad that the child is dead at the hand of his 6 year old sibling because of this clown's actions. Frankly, I don't care if his morning is easy or not, and prison is not meant to be a place of relief for the soul.
Citizen Emeritus

Greenwood, IN

#9 Mar 22, 2014
seriously wrote:
NO, it is NOT bad enough that he has to mourn. Its bad that the child is dead at the hand of his 6 year old sibling because of this clown's actions. Frankly, I don't care if his mourning is easy or not, and prison is not meant to be a place of relief for the soul.
You are so retributive. This is a crime of omission ... and not one of commission.

But if you feel that strongly, then let me remind you of this passage in John 8 ...

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

[An excerpt]

Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus,“Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them,“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her,“Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared.“Go now and leave your life of sin.”

[End of excerpt]

Have you never made one of those "dumb mistakes?"
Frankenstein

United States

#10 Mar 22, 2014
Citizen Emeritus wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so retributive. This is a crime of omission ... and not one of commission.
But if you feel that strongly, then let me remind you of this passage in John 8 ...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
[An excerpt]
Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus,“Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them,“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her,“Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared.“Go now and leave your life of sin.”
[End of excerpt]
Have you never made one of those "dumb mistakes?"
you are a dumbass quit quoting bible versus you for one have no business quoting anything from that book. hopefully he gets what he deserves and the mother should to. she left it set to out to. wanna play with guns then learn how to put them up. they both should've been drug tested as knowing him I know he was a druggie. he will get what he has coming hopefully a really long sentence as the precious little guy has been dealt a death sentence and didn't do anything wrong and just a week after another. if that didn't wake him up and make him say hey these things are dangerous then nothing will.
opinion

Mishawaka, IN

#11 Mar 22, 2014
the 13 year olds family should have the right to prosecute,,its there son,,(real) son.. he can never come back from this. this was negligence on the mothers boy friend,,he wasnt a real step dad.
seriously

United States

#12 Mar 22, 2014
Citizen Emeritus wrote:
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You are so retributive. This is a crime of omission ... and not one of commission.
How exactly is this a crime of omission? Because he claims he didn't know the gun was loaded? Sounds like he admits to COMMITTING the act of leaving the gun in view and reach of the small child. Anytime there is an accident with a firearm the first words are "I didn't know it was loaded". That dog won't hunt, it is the gun owners job to know and to treat every gun like it is loaded. Quote bible verses all you want, it will not change mind. He should spend some serious time in prison for this.
Citizen Emeritus

Greenwood, IN

#16 Mar 22, 2014
seriously wrote:
How exactly is this a crime of omission?
What? You don't understand plain English?...
Citizen Emeritus wrote:
Then the issue is criminal neglect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_neglige...

[An excerpt]

It is defined as an act that is: careless, inattentive, neglectful, willfully blind, or in the case of gross negligence what would have been reckless in any other defendant.[...] Negligence shows the least level of culpability, INTENTION being the most serious and RECKLESSNESS of intermediate seriousness, overlapping with GROSS NEGLIGENCE.

The distinction between recklessness and criminal negligence lies in the presence or absence of foresight as to the prohibited consequences. Recklessness is usually described as a 'malfeasance' where the defendant knowingly exposes another to the risk of injury. The fault lies in being willing to run the risk. But criminal negligence is a 'misfeasance or 'nonfeasance'(see omission), where the fault lies in the failure to foresee and so allow otherwise avoidable dangers to manifest.[...]

Negligence arises when, on a subjective test, an accused has not actually foreseen the potentially adverse consequences to the planned actions, and has gone ahead, exposing a particular individual or unknown victim to the risk of suffering injury or loss. The accused is a social danger because he or she has endangered the safety of others in circumstances where the reasonable person would have foreseen the injury and taken preventive measures.

[End of excerpt]
Gee. The above even contains the word "omission" in the explanation!

I know, you're so emotionally charged ... and retributive, that understanding is out of question.
Citizen Emeritus

Greenwood, IN

#17 Mar 22, 2014
Have you ever placed your car keys somewhere without thinking?

What if some kid got hold of them?
blah

United States

#19 Mar 22, 2014
County Advocate wrote:
First, Jeff Martin you deserve what you get and then some.
Second, Daddy has no sense and should go to prison for being a dullard. He obviously didn't teach his six year old or take the necessary precautions if he was too young to be responsible.
Thirdly, it amazes me how every dead kid is always described as "amazing." Surely some of them must be average. Especially one with a dunce for a father that didn't bother to teach his kids or keep them safe. Where was mommy? Didn't she bother to see the bad habits her dullard husband kept?
he wasn't the real dad. It was simply the mothers bf or fiance. They weren't married so therefore, never the step dad
Just Care

Mishawaka, IN

#20 Mar 22, 2014
You idiot to say anything against that child is horrible I don't care what you have against the adults leave the kids out of it what wrong with you people saying he was sitting around playing target fact is a 6yr old thought a gun was a toy or something he could play with and a beautiful child lies dead what a shame his mother is in mourning and no one can leave her alone to do this in peace GOD be with her because in this town she will need it sure there should have been a little more supervision I agree that's his part leave the rest alone rest in peace little Craig you will be missed by many and you were a super amazing young man
opinion

Mishawaka, IN

#21 Mar 22, 2014
Jeff you are a idiot, always have been.
say what

United States

#22 Mar 23, 2014
Just Care wrote:
You idiot to say anything against that child is horrible I don't care what you have against the adults leave the kids out of it what wrong with you people saying he was sitting around playing target fact is a 6yr old thought a gun was a toy or something he could play with and a beautiful child lies dead what a shame his mother is in mourning and no one can leave her alone to do this in peace GOD be with her because in this town she will need it sure there should have been a little more supervision I agree that's his part leave the rest alone rest in peace little Craig you will be missed by many and you were a super amazing young man
A little more supervision?? How about A LOT more supervision?? Understatement of the year!
seriously

United States

#24 Mar 23, 2014
Citizen Emeritus wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so retributive. This is a crime of omission ... and not one of commission.
But if you feel that strongly, then let me remind you of this passage in John 8 ...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
[An excerpt]
Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus,“Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them,“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her,“Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared.“Go now and leave your life of sin.”
[End of excerpt]
Have you never made one of those "dumb mistakes?"
Yes I have made mistakes and paid the price for them. None of my mistakes ruined someone's life or even worse cost someone their life. Call me retributive , vengeful, whatever you like, but tell me this oh wise one. If the shoe was on your foot, if someone you love died due to the criminal neglect of another, would you not be calling for some kind of action? I have no dog in the fight, I do not know the family, but I believe there should be severe penalties for such boneheadedness.

Since: Feb 13

Batesville

#25 Mar 23, 2014
County Advocate wrote:
I want you to know this is at least the sixth criminal charge filed against JASON FORSHEE. He has had DUIs, illegal consumptions and driving while suspended.
He was evicted from Briarwood in 2012.
Last September, he was arrested again for driving with no license. For some reason, they allowed him time to get a valid license and then dismissed the charge.
That Amy Roberts ought to be charged with child neglect right there allowing this to happen. He doesn't have his act together, never did and she let it go. Don't tell me she didn't know he had guns in the house and never saw Jason being careless before.
Who sold him a gun? He is known to have a drinking problem. How are such people allowed to buy a gun? Arrest whoever sold it. I am sure they have no guilt selling a weapon to someone who is known not to have good judgement. All the gun dealer cares about is making money.
mafiacop

Valparaiso, IN

#26 Mar 23, 2014
Dumb asses shouldn't be allowed to own guns!
Pissed

United States

#27 Mar 23, 2014
County Advocate wrote:
He really was on the path to prison and this is just the final straw that is going to send him away. Give him another chance, Jeffy Martin, so he can go kill someone with his car or do something else. Maybe this wouldn't have happened had they not been lenient over the license last fall.
You have a lot of balls to talk about other people, I hope when you make a mistake they fry your ass, people make mistakes , there is nothing you damn Yankees can do to him that he's not doing to himself

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