Local educators, representatives split on school vouchers

Nov 4, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Erie Times News

But now that a key piece of Gov. Tom Corbett's education-reform plan has passed the state Senate, those complaints might soon include private schools.

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Both the Pennsylvania School Boards Association and the Pennsylvania State Education Association, a teachers union, oppose the voucher plan.

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Big surprise from the union pigs
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Salaries $71,092,544

Employee Benefits $ 30,205,329

$101,297,873.00

Wages and benefits Erie City Schools



$101,297,873.00 divided by 12,400 =$8,169.00

$8,169.00 per kid just for the union pigs
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EXPENDITURE BREAKDOWN

Salaries $71,092,544*** 48.17%

Employee Benefits $ 30,205,329 *** 20.47%

Contracted Services $ 9,730,013 *** 6.59%

Debt Service $ 9,915,568*** 6.72%

Utilities $ 3,743,712*** 2.54%

At-Risk / Charter School $ 17,221,623*** 11.67%

Other Soft Costs $ 5,675,119*** 3.85%

Totals $ 147,583,908.00***(MILLIONS)*** 100.0%

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$ 147,583,908.00***(MILLIONS)*** to educate 12,400 kids
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Earll said she voted for the vouchers plan because it

"puts resources in the hands of parents so that they can step up on behalf of their children."

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Pennsylvania State Education Association, a teachers union, oppose the voucher plan.
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Sister Kevin Berdis, the principal of the Holy Family School, 1153 E. Ninth St., said the voucher plan is a chance for more parents to have a choice in their children's education.

"Everyone should have the right to a good education,"

Berdis said. "And many students need an environment with structure to thrive."

The voucher would cover more than the total cost of enrolling at Berdis' school, which charges $2,900 a school year for a single child.
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Pennsylvania State Education Association, a teachers union, oppose the voucher plan.
Mary Cheeseball

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You can't use public taxpayer money to fund private education. Sen. Earll is an attorney, she should understand that.
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"I think it's bad policy,"

Badams said. "At best, it is unscientific. I'm still waiting for the overwhelming evidence that shows this will improve" student achievement.
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What he is really saying:

That money would be taken out of each district's

state funding, and I must side with the teachers

union to keep my fat paycheck.
Mary Cheeseball

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You can't use public taxpayer money to fund private education. Sen. Earll is an attorney and should understand that.
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Oh my, the union pigs are gonna squeal

Corbett's plan:

Vouchers: An "Opportunity Scholarship Program" that assists low-income students attending the lowest-performing 5 percent of schools in Pennsylvania. The state Department of Education would, through this program, offer tuition assistance for eligible students to attend a public or private school of their choice.

Tax Credits: Expands the current Educational Improvement Tax Credit program, which gives businesses tax credits for sponsoring scholarships and educational improvement groups. This part of the proposal would also expand the scope of assisted students beyond the current 40,000 from middle- and low-income families.

Charter Schools: Creates a statewide entity to administer charter schools and makes it easier to convert buildings to charter educational facilities. The proposal also calls for charters to carry accountability for academic performance and mandates that charter officials comply with state ethics and financial responsibility laws.

Teacher Evaluations: Overhauls the current system of grading teacher performance of simply "satisfactory" or "unsatisfactory" to a more comprehensive method that incorporates classroom observations with student achievement. The rating scale would include four tiers instead of two: "distinguished," "proficient," "needs improvement" or "failing," and teachers, principals and education specialists will all be assessed on separate systems.
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Teacher Evaluations:

Overhauls the current system of grading teacher performance of simply "satisfactory" or "unsatisfactory" to a more comprehensive method that incorporates classroom observations with student achievement.

The rating scale would include four tiers instead of two:

"distinguished,"

"proficient,"

"needs improvement"

or "failing,"

and teachers, principals and education specialists will all be assessed on separate systems.

Oh my, the union pigs are gonna squeal
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Government unions should be illegal.

They are a conflict of interest, and they’re probably the closest thing to a legalized mafia we have here in the US.

It’s extremely difficult to get rid of a bad government worker; and once they have acquired any kind of seniority (5 years or so), it’s almost impossible.

So once they’re on the public payroll, they remain a millstone around the taxpayer’s neck as long as they live.

And these ‘freely negotiated contracts’ are often put in place by people who have made inside deals—sort of a ‘you-scratch-my-back-I’ll-scra tch-yours’ arrangement.

The suckers paying the tax bill usually have no clue what’s going on.

‘Public servant’? I’ve known a few good ones, but the term is rapidly becoming an oxymoron.

A ‘public servant’ worthy of the name is efficient and conscientious about both their job performance and the tax dollars they are spending.

The quality of their work speaks for itself.

They don’t view their position as a vehicle for oppression or revenge against businesses or other members of the public.

Someone like that doesn’t need to hide behind a government union.

I think it’s the bad apples (and the mediocre) that benefit the most from the protection of government unions.

And that’s what is bankrupting so many city governments.

http://online.worldmag.com/2010/12/15/tyranny ...
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The price of private education will sky rocket if the voucher system in implamented. Do you really think that the private schools will keep their prices the same? A big fat NO!!!
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Penny from Tenney wrote:
The price of private education will sky rocket if the voucher system in implamented. Do you really think that the private schools will keep their prices the same? A big fat NO!!!
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"Everyone should have the right to a good education,"

No one should be subjected to the iron fist of a socialist union pig.
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Earll knows better. Sure public school teachers have used their union to extort way-above-what-they're-worth wages/benefits.

BUT! There's no way any teacher, no matter their pay or their passion for teaching kids, can turn around the cultural hatred of education in the black population.

It'd be nice to have a State Senator not in the pocket of the catholic bishops.
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So it's the catholic bishops against the union pigs

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The voucher would cover more than the total cost of enrolling at Berdis' school, which charges $2,900 a school year for a single child.

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It costs $101,297,873.00 divided by 12,400 =$8,169.00

$8,169.00 per kid just for union pigs wages and benefits.
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Sister Kevin Berdis, the principal of the Holy Family School, 1153 E. Ninth St., said the voucher plan is a chance for more parents to have a choice in their children's education.
"Everyone should have the right to a good education,"
Berdis said. "And many students need an environment with structure to thrive."
The voucher would cover more than the total cost of enrolling at Berdis' school, which charges $2,900 a school year for a single child.
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Pennsylvania State Education Association, a teachers union, oppose the voucher plan.
"Everyone should have the right to a good education," Berdis said."And many students need an environment with structure to thrive." On the surface and perhaps for some this would be true. Here is my concern about school vouchers that never gets discussed. For sure there will be many parents using these vouchers who have done a terrible if not negligent job of raising their kids properly for school. While they may care about their kids they have put little to no emphasis on behavioral and performance expectations necessary for academic success. I believe their main motivation, perhaps their only motivation is to place their kids in a safer environment rather than in a more challenging learning situation. The concern for their kid's safety is indeed comendable. However when so many of these poor kids are already so far behind everyone else in a better school you will see a precipitous drop in the overall quality of the education from those schools due to the addition of so many more students lagging behind. Also,what about those kids coming in with no idea how to behave in a more serious learning environment? Sure the private schools could always remove the unruly ones but will they be able to do so when receiving government funding for these kids? That remains to be seen and my guess is that the rules will change under these new conditions. In short,be careful what you wish for private and parochial schools. Surely you will receive your share of damaged kids coming into your classrooms whose parents have done a lousy job preparing them. These parents will expect you to shine up the mess they've created all the while dragging down the quality standard you've etablished for so long.
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I believe their main motivation, perhaps their only motivation is to place their kids in a safer environment rather than in a more challenging learning situation.
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The kids?

Since when has it ever been about kids?

It's all about the unions.

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That money would be taken out of each district's state funding.

Badams said there are about 700 students at Burton and Wayne, most of whom would be eligible for the vouchers in the first year.

Eligible students at those schools could receive $6,272 to attend the school of their choice, based on Piccola's estimates.

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It's about snatching $4,390,400.00 from the jaws of the union pigs.

It costs $101,297,873.00 divided by 12,400 =$8,169.00

$8,169.00 per kid just for union pigs wages and benefits.

Oh my, the union pigs are gonna squeal
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I believe their main motivation, perhaps their only motivation is to place their kids in a safer environment rather than in a more challenging learning situation.
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The kids?
Since when has it ever been about kids?
It's all about the unions.
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That money would be taken out of each district's state funding.
Badams said there are about 700 students at Burton and Wayne, most of whom would be eligible for the vouchers in the first year.
Eligible students at those schools could receive $6,272 to attend the school of their choice, based on Piccola's estimates.
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It's about snatching $4,390,400.00 from the jaws of the union pigs.
It costs $101,297,873.00 divided by 12,400 =$8,169.00
$8,169.00 per kid just for union pigs wages and benefits.
Oh my, the union pigs are gonna squeal
I agree that it's always and only about the unions. Personally I believe teacher unions have thrust their sword into the belly of public education just as terrible parents have,killing the beast.
That being said I am concerned for the private and parochial schools taking in so many ill prepared miscreants. These teachers are not unionized and many choose to work in lesser paying positions because of an overall higher quality of student to interact with and teach every day. It's too bad if people don't like hearing this but it's the truth.

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