Unemployment rate falls in Erie, Craw...

Unemployment rate falls in Erie, Crawford counties

There are 14 comments on the GoErie story from Apr 5, 2011, titled Unemployment rate falls in Erie, Crawford counties. In it, GoErie reports that:

Forty-three hundred more people held jobs in Erie County this February compared with last.

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vin sisson

Morrisville, PA

#1 Apr 5, 2011
These numbers are skewed.. there are allot of people who have stopped looking for work or who are unemployed. The unemployment rate is much higher in my opinion.

Since: Jul 10

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#2 Apr 5, 2011
vin sisson wrote:
These numbers are skewed.. there are allot of people who have stopped looking for work or who are unemployed. The unemployment rate is much higher in my opinion.
That is the same way the rate has been tabulated for decades.

Since: Feb 10

Erie, PA

#3 Apr 5, 2011
ActuaIIy wrote:
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That is the same way the rate has been tabulated for decades.
But in this cycle, you've had people out of work so long that even with almost TWO YEARS of UC benefits, they've run out. Total employment would be a better number to look at.

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#4 Apr 5, 2011
ErieRealist wrote:
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But in this cycle, you've had people out of work so long that even with almost TWO YEARS of UC benefits, they've run out. Total employment would be a better number to look at.
Once again...that is how it has always been tabulated...yes or no?
TaxNoMore

United States

#5 Apr 5, 2011
ErieRealist wrote:
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But in this cycle, you've had people out of work so long that even with almost TWO YEARS of UC benefits, they've run out. Total employment would be a better number to look at.
We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers
More Americans work for the government than in manufacturing, farming, fishing, forestry, mining and utilities combined.

If you want to understand better why so many states—from New York to Wisconsin to California—are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, consider this depressing statistic:

Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million).

This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government.

It gets worse.

More Americans work for the government than work in construction, farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, mining and utilities combined.

We have moved decisively from a nation of makers to a nation of takers. Nearly half of the $2.2 trillion cost of state and local governments is the $1 trillion-a-year tab for pay and benefits of state and local employees.

Is it any wonder that so many states and cities cannot pay their bills?

Steve Moore has the details on Rep. Paul Ryan's plan to cut spending.

Every state in America today except for two—Indiana and Wisconsin—has more government workers on the payroll than people manufacturing industrial goods.

Consider California, which has the highest budget deficit in the history of the states.

The not-so Golden State now has an incredible 2.4 million government employees—twice as many as people at work in manufacturing.

New Jersey has just under two-and-a-half as many government employees as manufacturers.

Florida's ratio is more than 3 to 1. So is New York's.

Even Michigan, at one time the auto capital of the world, and Pennsylvania, once the steel capital, has more government bureaucrats than people making things.

The leaders in government hiring are Wyoming and New Mexico, which have hired more than six government workers for every manufacturing worker.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274 ...

Since: Feb 10

Erie, PA

#6 Apr 5, 2011
ActuaIIy wrote:
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Once again...that is how it has always been tabulated...yes or no?
Not really. It's generally how it has been, but times have changed. Several years ago, we didn't have people out of work for this long (of course, we also didn't have UC extensions for this long). So you can't just look at those who have filed claims or look at the seasonally adjusted rates. What you need to look at is what percentage of able-bodied people are out of work.

The fact that they say we're 5,000 to 6,000 jobs behind where we were before the recession should tell you something.
just plain bill

AOL

#7 Apr 5, 2011
We have millions out of work because of obammy's antics and blunders. Of course they will blame Bush, they have to point the finger someplace. So point toward the white house....no jobs because of the nose picker that dwells there, or is he an ass picker....take your choice....but all in all, he's a loser and we suffer for it.
Steverino

Elizabeth, PA

#8 Apr 5, 2011
The Republican plan is to pass all these budget cuts NOW so that they can create an additional 800,000 to 1 million unemployed, Then in 2012, they can claim that the unemployment rate skyrocketed with an additional 800,000 to 1 million people out of work because of Obama. Just in time for the November 2012 elections. Brilliant. You can be evil and smart at the same time.

Since: Jul 10

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#9 Apr 5, 2011
ErieRealist wrote:
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Not really. It's generally how it has been, but times have changed. Several years ago, we didn't have people out of work for this long (of course, we also didn't have UC extensions for this long). So you can't just look at those who have filed claims or look at the seasonally adjusted rates. What you need to look at is what percentage of able-bodied people are out of work.
The fact that they say we're 5,000 to 6,000 jobs behind where we were before the recession should tell you something.
Times have changed but the method for this calculation has not changed.
TaxNoMore

United States

#10 Apr 5, 2011
Steverino wrote:
The Republican plan is to pass all these budget cuts NOW so that they can create an additional 800,000 to 1 million unemployed, Then in 2012, they can claim that the unemployment rate skyrocketed with an additional 800,000 to 1 million people out of work because of Obama. Just in time for the November 2012 elections. Brilliant. You can be evil and smart at the same time.
According to Karl Marx, unemployment is inherent within the unstable capitalist system and periodic crises of mass unemployment are to be expected.

The function of the proletariat within the capitalist system is to provide a "reserve army of labour" that creates downward pressure on wages.

This is accomplished by dividing the proletariat into surplus labour (employees) and under-employment (unemployed).

This reserve army of labour fight among themselves for scarce jobs at lower and lower wages.

At first glance, unemployment seems inefficient since unemployed workers do not increase profits.

However, unemployment is profitable within the global capitalist system because unemployment lowers wages which are costs from the perspective of the owners.

From this perspective low wages benefit the system by reducing economic rents.

Yet, it does not benefit workers.

Capitalism unfairly manipulates the market for labour by perpetuating unemployment which lowers laborers' demands for fair wages.

Workers are pitted against one another at the service of increasing profits for owners.

According to Marx, the only way to permanently eliminate unemployment would be to abolish capitalism and the system of forced competition for wages and then shift to a socialist or communist economic system.

For contemporary Marxists, the existence of persistent unemployment is proof of the inability of capitalism to ensure full employment.
TaxNoMore

United States

#11 Apr 5, 2011
ActuaIIy wrote:
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Times have changed but the method for this calculation has not changed.
US Government's Unemployment Calculation Method

US Unemployment Rate is determined by a Survey

In simple terms, the unemployment rate is the number of people looking for work divided by the total number of people in the labor force. But how is the number of people looking for work calculated?

Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment, the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed.

Other people think that the Government counts every unemployed person each month. To do this, every home in the country would have to be contacted—just as in the population census every 10 years. This procedure would cost way too much and take far too long. Besides, people would soon grow tired of having a census taker come to their homes every month, year after year, to ask about job-related activities.

Because unemployment insurance records relate only to persons who have applied for such benefits, and since it is impractical to actually count every unemployed person each month, the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country.

The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project.

It has been expanded and modified several times since then.

With the data acquired from the Current Population Survey, early each month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) of the U.S. Department of Labor announces the total number of employed and unemployed persons in the United States for the previous month, along with many characteristics of such persons.

Keep in mind that the unemployment rate that we hear most often in the media (October ’09 was 10.2% & reported in Nov.‘09) is lower than the actual unemployment rate because the calculation does not take into consideration those that are “underemployed” or have simply given up looking for work.

ActuaIIy…. has been pummeled by reason and logic concerning his beliefs in utopian socialism and his worship of the black messiah.

http://primepoint.com/pages/view/id/138
TaxNoMore

United States

#12 Apr 5, 2011
ActuaIIy wrote:
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Times have changed but the method for this calculation has not changed.
The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project.

It has been expanded and modified several times since then.

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Since: Jul 10

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#13 Apr 6, 2011
TaxNoMore wrote:
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The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project.
It has been expanded and modified several times since then.
Keep running
I hate my job, all of my rich friends
I hate everyone to the bitter end.
Nothing turns out right There's no end in sight
I hate my life!
TaxNoMore

United States

#14 Apr 6, 2011
ActuaIIy wrote:
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I hate my job, all of my rich friends
I hate everyone to the bitter end.
Nothing turns out right There's no end in sight
I hate my life!
The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940, when it began as a Work Projects Administration project.

It has been expanded and modified several times since then.

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