Frankfort wants golf cart rules before problems arise

Jul 23, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Journal & Courier

Frankfort officials are looking to regulate the use of golf carts on streets and alleys in the Clinton County city.

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Jul 25, 2011
 
Great idea!!!!
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Jul 25, 2011
 
Is there a problem with golf carts in town? I didn't know that this was an issue.

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Jul 26, 2011
 
JONAS LENEHAN wrote:
Is there a problem with golf carts in town? I didn't know that this was an issue.
I think Frankfort is trying to be proactive, which I commend. In Rossville, they have already done something similar.

Keeping them off of the St Rd's, making sure the drivers are licensed and 18, and taking a look (I hope) at the golf cart are all great ideas.
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I think Frankfort is trying to be proactive, which I commend. In Rossville, they have already done something similar.
Keeping them off of the St Rd's, making sure the drivers are licensed and 18, and taking a look (I hope) at the golf cart are all great ideas.
I agree to be proactive but I believe their is a huge difference between Rossville letting golf carts on the road vs Frankfort. Frankfort has alot more traffic than that of Rossville. If you allow golf carts, why not Four wheelers,snownobiles and why not anything that is a vehicle?

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I agree to be proactive but I believe their is a huge difference between Rossville letting golf carts on the road vs Frankfort. Frankfort has alot more traffic than that of Rossville. If you allow golf carts, why not Four wheelers,snownobiles and why not anything that is a vehicle?
Great question. I believe part of it has something to do with two State Roads that pass thru the town. Those roads effectively split the town east, north, west, and south. You most likely have to cross one of the major roads to arrive anywhere else in town.

Also, there is peace of mind that with that law in place, the law officials have the ability to ticket for underage drivers, issues with lights, accountability of the golfcart owner itself, and other things as well.

I believe the state already took care of the 4-wheeler, snowmobiles, and other vehicles out there.

I, for one, am thankful that Rossville did that. I am also glad that Frankfort is too.
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Great question. I believe part of it has something to do with two State Roads that pass thru the town. Those roads effectively split the town east, north, west, and south. You most likely have to cross one of the major roads to arrive anywhere else in town.
Also, there is peace of mind that with that law in place, the law officials have the ability to ticket for underage drivers, issues with lights, accountability of the golfcart owner itself, and other things as well.
I believe the state already took care of the 4-wheeler, snowmobiles, and other vehicles out there.
I, for one, am thankful that Rossville did that. I am also glad that Frankfort is too.
You are correct the state did take care of the four wheelers, snowmobiles and other vehicles but the state also will not allow golf carts. Thats why the city cannot let the golf carts on highways, just to cross over because the state will not allow it. So my question is why is the city only allowing golf carts through the ordinance they created, why not the other vehicles I mentioned?

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You are correct the state did take care of the four wheelers, snowmobiles and other vehicles but the state also will not allow golf carts. Thats why the city cannot let the golf carts on highways, just to cross over because the state will not allow it. So my question is why is the city only allowing golf carts through the ordinance they created, why not the other vehicles I mentioned?
Maybe it has to do with the golf carts they license in R-ville are battery only.
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Maybe it has to do with the golf carts they license in R-ville are battery only.
Ok, that could be.
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Maybe it has to do with the golf carts they license in R-ville are battery only.
Better check your facts , ALL golf carts are legal in Rossville

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<quoted text>Better check your facts , ALL golf carts are legal in Rossville
Thank you for letting me know. That is why I said maybe...

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Jul 27, 2011
 
Who in Frankfort can afford a golf cart?
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The two councilmen who voted no should be commended. They don't need the carts on the streets.

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Jul 27, 2011
 
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Who in Frankfort can afford a golf cart?
Lots of people.
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Just asking for a bunch of accidents,they will be in the way,this is not Rossville or Kirklin.
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Jul 27, 2011
 
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The two councilmen who voted no should be commended. They don't need the carts on the streets.
I agree, this is not a good move from the city... To much traffic and its unsafe..
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Jul 27, 2011
 
Its not the vehicle that causes disruption. Its the dummies operating them that cause disruption. If it were only the vehicles then, bicycles, 49cc scooters, baby strollers, garbage trucks, tractors, and any other self powered vehicle should be taken off the streets. Use your head, its the dummy, arrogant, selfish or rebellious operators that need to be taken off the streets. Then the city would be a much safer environment. Hmmm. . . maybe all the dummies in Rossville, Michigantown or Kirklin cannot afford Golfcarts. Or just maybe, there are no dummies living there. Then Frankfort should be more like those areas.
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Its not the vehicle that causes disruption. Its the dummies operating them that cause disruption. If it were only the vehicles then, bicycles, 49cc scooters, baby strollers, garbage trucks, tractors, and any other self powered vehicle should be taken off the streets. Use your head, its the dummy, arrogant, selfish or rebellious operators that need to be taken off the streets. Then the city would be a much safer environment. Hmmm... maybe all the dummies in Rossville, Michigantown or Kirklin cannot afford Golfcarts. Or just maybe, there are no dummies living there. Then Frankfort should be more like those areas.
This type of vehicle will cause disruption!! It cannot travel the apprpriate speed and many streets in town have cars parked along the side of the road so golf carts can't get over for cars.

Its not a matter if Rossville or Kirklin is smarter/dumber, the fact is they have a tenth of the population of Frankfort. This in itself will cause a big problem. To many cars on the roadway, no need to add a slow moving vehicle to the mix. Hell, why don't we just buy payloaders, backhoes, earth movers, rollers and drive them on the roadway?
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Gosh we already have pedestrians who walk in the road instead of using the sidewalk. We have skateboarders, 49cc mopeds, bicycles, old people and scardycat and Latino drivers who seldom travel over 23mph. Then there are those who as soon as they see a cop, brakes come on. Slow pokes in the left lane. And you are worried that golf carts will cause a big problem. Wake up, learn to share the road, if they are slow, Go Around. Learn how to drive defensively. Dont set your driving habits just to avoid tickets.
You seem to make it very clear, that you have not had much experience with golf carts. Except maybe you seen them on TV.
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Jul 27, 2011
 
FROM: The NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMIN
"golf carts" to include vehicles designed to achieve up to 25 miles per hour or have established a new class of vehicles, "neighborhood electric vehicles," also defined as capable of achieving 25 miles per hour.
Under current NHTSA interpretations and regulations, so long as golf cars and other similar vehicles are incapable of exceeding 20 miles per hour, they are subject to only state and local requirements regarding safety equipment. However, if these vehicles are originally manufactured so that they can go faster than 20 miles per hour, they are treated as motor vehicles under Federal law. Similarly, if golf cars are modified after original manufacture so that they can achieve 20 or more miles per hour, they too are treated as motor vehicles. Further, as motor vehicles, they are currently classified as passenger cars and must comply with the Federal motor vehicle safety standards for that vehicle type. This creates a conflict with the state and local laws because compliance with the full range of those standards is not feasible for these small vehicles.
To resolve this conflict, and to permit the manufacture and sale of small, 4-wheeled motor vehicles with top speeds of 20 to 25 miles per hour, this final rule reclassifies these small passenger-carrying vehicles. Instead of being classified as passenger cars, they are now being classified as "low-speed vehicles." Since conventional golf cars, as presently manufactured, have a top speed of less than 20 miles per hour, they are not included in that classification.
As low-speed vehicles, these 20 to 25 mile-per-hour vehicles are subject to a new Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 500 (49 CFR 571.500) established by this final rule. The agency notes that the growing on-road use of golf cars has already resulted in some deaths and serious injuries, and believes that the new standard is needed to address the effects in crashes of the higher speed of low-speed vehicles. The standard requires low-speed vehicles to be equipped with headlamps, stop lamps, turn signal lamps, taillamps, reflex reflectors, parking brakes, rearview mirrors, windshields, seat belts, and vehicle identification numbers. The agency believes that these requirements appropriately address the safety of low-speed vehicle occupants and other roadway users, given the sub-25 mph speed capability of these vehicles and the controlled environments in which they operate.
Seems to me like Frankfort is trying to outdo the Feds or to reinforce current requirements.
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Gosh we already have pedestrians who walk in the road instead of using the sidewalk. We have skateboarders, 49cc mopeds, bicycles, old people and scardycat and Latino drivers who seldom travel over 23mph. Then there are those who as soon as they see a cop, brakes come on. Slow pokes in the left lane. And you are worried that golf carts will cause a big problem. Wake up, learn to share the road, if they are slow, Go Around. Learn how to drive defensively. Dont set your driving habits just to avoid tickets.
You seem to make it very clear, that you have not had much experience with golf carts. Except maybe you seen them on TV.
I am glad you recognize the problems that already exist but of course, you don't see the problem of adding to it. Did you say drive defensively? Well, going around a golf cart on streets that are no passing is far from defensively. Can't wait until the first time you go around one and it turns in front of you, I bet you go to your insurance company and the Police Officer covering the accident and say, I was just driving defensively. Good luck with that.

Which left lane are you referring to? the one that cars would be coming at you? What are you referring to? Golf carts can't be on the interstate or any highway? Wonder why the state doesn't allow this? Is their a four lane road in the city that isn't a highway. Latino drivers, 23mph drivers and I am sure you hit your brakes when you see a Police Officer as well. Most do...

Whats amazing is the people you mentioned above about there driving behavior must bother you but yet your ready to add more problems. Damn, can you make some sense to me as to what you are saying?

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