$7million DUI tests little used

$7million DUI tests little used

There are 19 comments on the DispatchPolitics story from Feb 7, 2010, titled $7million DUI tests little used. In it, DispatchPolitics reports that:

In the nine months since state officials unveiled a new device hailed as a potent new weapon against drunken driving, the equipment has been used rarely and only in a few rural and suburban pockets of Ohio.

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Since: Oct 09

Orlando, FL

#1 Feb 7, 2010
If the machines are in question, I would suggest using them in the field and when the resulst come back positive then take the suspect in and use one of the machines that has been proven. It is sad that so much money was wasted on equipment that is not being used.
Law and Order

Hilliard, OH

#2 Feb 7, 2010
Nash - what is your support for your statement that thousands of cases have been thrown out in other states? While there was a challenge in Arizona that could have affected about a thousand cases, the appeals court ruled in October 2009 that prosecutors don't have to hand over either the source code or the software. Presiding Judge Philip Espinosa further wrote in his opinion that even if defense attorneys are correct that there have been anomalies, they have failed to prove those anomalies affect the reliability of the tests. Those cases will move forwared. I guess you must have been talking about other states?
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#3 Feb 7, 2010
Those things are unreliable and should not be allowed in court.
Engelmust go

Hilliard, OH

#4 Feb 7, 2010
where in this story is it that two full-time lawyers were hired by Chief Liar Engel and put in southern and northern Ohio to defend these machines. I get laid off due to downsizing and these clowns get cell phones, and cars at state expense. C'mon Nash - quit being lazy!
James

Lewis Center, OH

#5 Feb 7, 2010
Again who really cares wrote:
If the machines are in question, I would suggest using them in the field and when the resulst come back positive then take the suspect in and use one of the machines that has been proven. It is sad that so much money was wasted on equipment that is not being used.
What do you suspect that is why we have cameras for the red lights. No one has to do their job. You are right. They wonder why eveyrone is upset. Once the $7M is spend no one else needs to be paid off. I had hospise for me wife. They send all kinds of supplies to be used and I had alot left and no one would take them. Nursing homes wouldn't take (None was Open and all were sealed.)

No one cares who spends what unless they are running for office.
Engelmust go

Hilliard, OH

#6 Feb 7, 2010
Out of bed early huh Josh? Wait till people find out your background and "interests"- its coming out soon!
Law and Order wrote:
Nash - what is your support for your statement that thousands of cases have been thrown out in other states? While there was a challenge in Arizona that could have affected about a thousand cases, the appeals court ruled in October 2009 that prosecutors don't have to hand over either the source code or the software. Presiding Judge Philip Espinosa further wrote in his opinion that even if defense attorneys are correct that there have been anomalies, they have failed to prove those anomalies affect the reliability of the tests. Those cases will move forwared. I guess you must have been talking about other states?
Cartman

Dublin, OH

#7 Feb 7, 2010
The days of "officer I only had a couple of beers" and then driving on home are over. If you are stupid enough to drink a beer and get behind the wheel be prepared for the potential scrutiny. If you have an odor of alcohol about you when stopped, you're going to be tested. Regardless of the equipment used you're the dummy who opened the door.

Since: Jan 10

United States

#8 Feb 7, 2010
Cartman, you said it all~! Plain and simple.
OSTA

Cincinnati, OH

#9 Feb 7, 2010
Engelmust go wrote:
where in this story is it that two full-time lawyers were hired by Chief Liar Engel and put in southern and northern Ohio to defend these machines. I get laid off due to downsizing and these clowns get cell phones, and cars at state expense. C'mon Nash - quit being lazy!
This Engel guys sounds like some sort of evil genius!
NO MORE TAXES

Columbus, OH

#11 Feb 7, 2010
Why do you think that police rely on breath tests and not blood tests? Why doesn't the state actually require blood tests to be preformed if the breath says positive? A person could go to a bar, have a couple drinks, get in the car to drive home and be pulled over and their breath would actually show a higher content than what is in their blood and affecting their physical abilities.
NO MORE TAXES

Columbus, OH

#12 Feb 7, 2010
Did the gov't actually receive $7Mil. for this purchase or is that just a number for reporting? The amount of the machines equals $6.39 million. So where is the "extra" $600,000? Did this go to the general fund, someone's pocket or returned to the feds? We, the people actually paying for all this should start demanding accountability for where all the money is going.
LaG3163

Mansfield, OH

#13 Feb 7, 2010
Money would have better spent putting the machines in cars!
Jonathan S

Dublin, OH

#14 Feb 7, 2010
Cartman wrote:
The days of "officer I only had a couple of beers" and then driving on home are over. If you are stupid enough to drink a beer and get behind the wheel be prepared for the potential scrutiny. If you have an odor of alcohol about you when stopped, you're going to be tested. Regardless of the equipment used you're the dummy who opened the door.
Huh? I thought everyone knew to refuse the breath test, just like all the cops and judges do when they get caught.
teach 75

Delaware, OH

#15 Feb 7, 2010
Cartman wrote:
The days of "officer I only had a couple of beers" and then driving on home are over. If you are stupid enough to drink a beer and get behind the wheel be prepared for the potential scrutiny. If you have an odor of alcohol about you when stopped, you're going to be tested. Regardless of the equipment used you're the dummy who opened the door.
you better never drink a single drop and drive... wouldnt want you to lose your job, license, thousands of dollars and a chance at career advancement. There is a major difference between drunk driving and a two beers with dinner. but in our state we took the federal money and dropped the limit to .08! MOney controls everything.

I know people have lost loved ones to drunk drivers and that is tragic. but we need to get rid of this holier than thou attitude. way more important things to concern our self with
UAW worker

Apopka, FL

#16 Feb 7, 2010
Scrap all the machines. Relay on an officers instincts. A car is weaving all over the road & the driver smells like a brewery and is plain knee walking drunk. You do not need any machine to substaniate this. Then just listen to the defense attorneys howl when the only defense they have is to refute the officers testimony. The camera mounted in the patrol car is the only evidence needed.
Hocking Hick

Columbus, OH

#17 Feb 7, 2010
You know the State "Health" Department is going to approve every piece of crap machine out there. The state is desperate for money.

So they spend millions on a machine that doesn't work -- but the cool thing is that the machines don't have to work.

So they keep some non-union, cheap labor factory in KY working, while ripping off Ohioans with false results AFTER they ripped off their tax money to buy said machines.

Revenue baby, revenue...
boozin

Bowling Green, OH

#18 Feb 8, 2010
NO MORE TAXES wrote:
Why do you think that police rely on breath tests and not blood tests? Why doesn't the state actually require blood tests to be preformed if the breath says positive? A person could go to a bar, have a couple drinks, get in the car to drive home and be pulled over and their breath would actually show a higher content than what is in their blood and affecting their physical abilities.
the breath test has a waiting period to get rid of the residual alcohol in your mouth. also, blood results can only be taken at a hospital. who's going to pay the bill for the second test? the arresting agency isn't and the hospital isn't doing it for free. people have the right to pay for and get an independant test.
it says so on the form (bmv2255) you're read while sitting there crying because you're drunk and in handcuffs. bad ovi arrests happen; but i'm guessing most are more than justified.
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#19 Feb 8, 2010
boozin wrote:
also, blood results can only be taken at a hospital. who's going to pay the bill for the second test?
They're starting to let cops who 'qualify' after 'training' do roadside blood draws. Pretty soon any old hack with a badge will be able to pull you over and stick a needle in your vein, on any old pretext. After tazing you, of course.
Read Enough

Marengo, OH

#20 Jun 22, 2010
Law and Order wrote:
Nash - what is your support for your statement that thousands of cases have been thrown out in other states? While there was a challenge in Arizona that could have affected about a thousand cases, the appeals court ruled in October 2009 that prosecutors don't have to hand over either the source code or the software. Presiding Judge Philip Espinosa further wrote in his opinion that even if defense attorneys are correct that there have been anomalies, they have failed to prove those anomalies affect the reliability of the tests. Those cases will move forwared. I guess you must have been talking about other states?
Law and Order,
Nash is not known for letting facts, details or accuracy get in the way of a good story.

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