Voters get a less-than-grand transpor...

Voters get a less-than-grand transportation plan

There are 37 comments on the The Atlanta Journal-Constitution story from Oct 15, 2011, titled Voters get a less-than-grand transportation plan. In it, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that:

After months of wrangling and years of talk, regional leaders produced a list of transportation projects dividing $6 billion throughout the 10-county Atlanta region.

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Since: Jan 10

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#23 Oct 28, 2011
Hedonist wrote:
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Point taken. And I agree, Amtrak is a typical gov't mess.
But, if we could just get Georgia to add 2-3 cents to our gas excise tax (we'd still be one of the cheapest states), we could take 1 cent for transit and the rest for roadway improvements.
Maybe you'd never use transit, but the people who do would be that many less people on the roads during rush hour. Maybe you don't have that problem, but the Atlanta regional commute is in the top ten for worst commutes in the nation. We're also tied for 7th in smog.
Yes, these are "Atlanta's problems". But if Georgia doesn't take responsibility for addressing "Atlanta's problems", we'll never attract the kind of corporations and manufacturing endeavors we need to spur job growth. And, with corporations comes corporate tax revenues.
Understand that I'm not so firmly entrenched in gas tax that I think it's the only way. But somehow we've got to take a larger view of the problems and potential solutions to move Georgia forward and make it the state other want to emulate. To do that, we've got to think outside of the box.
Make the Atlanta residence that ride it pay for it, that's a good box to start thinking on. Most Georgians dislike the way Atlanta is managed and hate its high crime rate so intensely they have moved out of Atlanta. Most Georgians have such a dislike of Atlanta they could care less about its transportation problems and until Atlanta solves its crime. These Georgians will not support any help for Atlanta with any tax increase. Atlanta once a place Georgians were proud of is now an embarrassment to the entire state. Most of the new employment has occurred outside of Atlanta because of the base problems Atlanta has brought upon itself. Atlanta's schools are so bad they are a joke on national TV. Atlanta must change or become another Detroit.

Since: Aug 11

Jackson, GA

#24 Oct 28, 2011
I agree, lighteredknot. I own a business in Atlanta and I am moving it out of here ASAP. My current lease will expire in January and I will be free to leave this building. I will be moving the business to either Kennesaw or Acworth. The crime here is terrible, I carry a gun on my side every second of the day. The schools are trash, I absolutely refuse to put my kids in them. I tried to hire "off the street" to give a chance to people who may have been looked over by other employers, and what I found were nothing more than smooth-talkers. They talk a good talk but when it comes to the action part, forget it. They refused to work under legal conditions and then when I refused to let them work "under the table", they threatened me. I've had enough of Atlanta. I've heard there are really good parts of Atlanta where everything is different... I hope I find those parts someday.

“Registered Conservative”

Since: Jul 11

Draketown, GA

#25 Oct 28, 2011
Hedonist wrote:
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Point taken. And I agree, Amtrak is a typical gov't mess.
But, if we could just get Georgia to add 2-3 cents to our gas excise tax (we'd still be one of the cheapest states), we could take 1 cent for transit and the rest for roadway improvements.
Maybe you'd never use transit, but the people who do would be that many less people on the roads during rush hour. Maybe you don't have that problem, but the Atlanta regional commute is in the top ten for worst commutes in the nation. We're also tied for 7th in smog.
Yes, these are "Atlanta's problems". But if Georgia doesn't take responsibility for addressing "Atlanta's problems", we'll never attract the kind of corporations and manufacturing endeavors we need to spur job growth. And, with corporations comes corporate tax revenues.
Understand that I'm not so firmly entrenched in gas tax that I think it's the only way. But somehow we've got to take a larger view of the problems and potential solutions to move Georgia forward and make it the state other want to emulate. To do that, we've got to think outside of the box.
There is a tax coming up for vote next year to fund transportation projects.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#26 Oct 28, 2011
Georgians spent over $14 billion in 2008 for motor gasoline. All of that money leaves the state.

Electric transit keeps some of that money in our state.

What's your best answer for keeping some of that money in Georgia?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#27 Oct 28, 2011
General Robert E Lee wrote:
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There is a tax coming up for vote next year to fund transportation projects.
Yes, I know.

See post #11 (" http://www.topix.com/forum/atlanta/TPSU00HO0T... ;)

and post #16 (" http://www.topix.com/forum/atlanta/TPSU00HO0T... ;)

“Registered Conservative”

Since: Jul 11

Draketown, GA

#28 Oct 28, 2011
Let me keep my money, instead of subsidizing transportation for others at the whim of the government.

1) Local work
2) Local play
3) Local worship
4) Local education
5) Local shopping

Don't like where you live for whatever reason, move.

Since: Jan 10

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#29 Oct 28, 2011
General Robert E Lee wrote:
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There is a tax coming up for vote next year to fund transportation projects.
Any tax on transportation in Atlanta for non Atlanta residents is a waste of money and socialist. Let the people that prefer to live in and travel through Atlanta pay the money.

Since: Jan 10

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#30 Oct 28, 2011
Hedonist wrote:
Georgians spent over $14 billion in 2008 for motor gasoline. All of that money leaves the state.
Electric transit keeps some of that money in our state.
What's your best answer for keeping some of that money in Georgia?
Use what we need to maintain our current roads, only build new roads that we need. Have a special gas tax for Atlanta if Atlanta needs new transportation, and delete the taxes on gas we don't need in Georgia. Smaller government, less spending, happier people. Gas is to high in Georgia, it was only $1.69 when hussein obama was inaugurated. For all of you wanting higher taxes, you have the right to pay them, I don't want higher gas taxes.

“Registered Conservative”

Since: Jul 11

Draketown, GA

#31 Oct 28, 2011
I want the Fair Tax.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#33 Oct 28, 2011
After you mentioned Atlanta crime, I went looking for some data.

While above the national average and a major problem for the city since the middle 20th century, crime in Atlanta has been declining since the late 1990s.

According to FBI numbers, between 2001 and 2009 the crime rate in Atlanta dropped by 40 percent. Homicide fell 57 percent. Rape was down 72 percent. Violent crime overall was down 55 percent.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#34 Oct 28, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
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Use what we need to maintain our current roads, only build new roads that we need. Have a special gas tax for Atlanta if Atlanta needs new transportation, and delete the taxes on gas we don't need in Georgia. Smaller government, less spending, happier people. Gas is to high in Georgia, it was only $1.69 when hussein obama was inaugurated. For all of you wanting higher taxes, you have the right to pay them, I don't want higher gas taxes.
Georgia has one of the lowest gas tax levels in the entire nation. Only Alaska and Wyoming are lower.

But you're right, let's keep sending as much money as we can to the Mid-East to pay for your gas.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#35 Oct 28, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
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Any tax on transportation in Atlanta for non Atlanta residents is a waste of money and socialist. Let the people that prefer to live in and travel through Atlanta pay the money.
Again, that's why we're looking at a 1 cent SPLOST tax just in the Atlanta Region. It will be paid by the people in the region for transportation improvements in the region.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#36 Oct 28, 2011
How about increasing the tax on parking lots in Atlanta. Then all the people who commute in would be the one's paying?

Like I said, I'd be open to any options to collect enough revenue to improve Atlanta's ability to attract major business concerns.

But we really do need to attract these businesses. And Georgia can't do it without a vibrant major metropolitan capability.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#37 Oct 28, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
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Use what we need to maintain our current roads, only build new roads that we need. Have a special gas tax for Atlanta if Atlanta needs new transportation, and delete the taxes on gas we don't need in Georgia. Smaller government, less spending, happier people. Gas is to high in Georgia, it was only $1.69 when hussein obama was inaugurated. For all of you wanting higher taxes, you have the right to pay them, I don't want higher gas taxes.
We need a lot more roadway improvements than we have the money to pay for throughout Georgia.

And as vehicles become more efficient, the tax per mile of roadway usage keeps declining. That means our roads are getting more usage and less tax money to keep them up.
Knox

Seattle, WA

#38 Nov 7, 2011
Thank you so much Hedonist. i really appreciate someone who understands that rugged individual isolated politicking will not solve this problem.
Transportation is a statewide problem, and Georgia needs to address it that way. Public transport will not be a thug haven, or a burden. It gives people an option besides having to get in their cars all the time to go places. I wonder if anyone pays attention to the numerous people who walk along the dangerous non-sidewalk streets on a daily basis in Atlanta? Think they would pay for a bus to get from point A to B?

Since: Jan 10

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#39 Nov 8, 2011
Hedonist wrote:
How about increasing the tax on parking lots in Atlanta. Then all the people who commute in would be the one's paying?
Like I said, I'd be open to any options to collect enough revenue to improve Atlanta's ability to attract major business concerns.
But we really do need to attract these businesses. And Georgia can't do it without a vibrant major metropolitan capability.
Increasing taxes on parking lots in Atlanta is fine with me. That tax will give me another reason to not visit downtown Atlanta. Atlanta has become a yoke of shame for Georgia.
icouldusesomehel p

Huntington Beach, CA

#40 Nov 8, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
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Increasing taxes on parking lots in Atlanta is fine with me. That tax will give me another reason to not visit downtown Atlanta. Atlanta has become a yoke of shame for Georgia.
You accused me of being a racist. Show me one racist statement. You are a lying f-n hillbilly!!!

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