Voters get a less-than-grand transpor...

Voters get a less-than-grand transportation plan

There are 37 comments on the The Atlanta Journal-Constitution story from Oct 15, 2011, titled Voters get a less-than-grand transportation plan. In it, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that:

After months of wrangling and years of talk, regional leaders produced a list of transportation projects dividing $6 billion throughout the 10-county Atlanta region.

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Since: Apr 10

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#1 Oct 22, 2011
....Commuter rail clears first hurdle for SPLOST

http://www.news-daily.com/news/2011/oct/06/co...

....Are We Being Duped Again ?

...What seems to be good for Eldrin Bell, is also good for Atlanta and What seems to be good for Atlanta is also good for Eldrin Bell.

...The Commuter Rail will only place more burdens on the tax payers and it will not boost the economy of our county.....Matter of Fact, The Rail will be used to bypass Clayton County from incoming visitors to our county. We will be maintaining a Transportation Service that will not benefit our county, instead, it will destroy any remaining hope for our county to economically recover.

....If anyone wants to make a Ghost Town and a Waste Land of Clayton County, Vote Yes and See What Happens during the next coming years....If you think that we are losing businesses and jobs now...You haven't seen anything yet.

...Maybe Bell should be concerned about attracting Jobs into Clayton County, instead of Hobnobbing with Atlanta's Future.
"Getting MARTA To Extend Its Tentacles Down Into Clayton County."
patty c

United States

#2 Oct 22, 2011
here is a great plan.CHARGE ENOUGH TO THE RIDERS OF THIS GHETTO BUS to fund it.STOP USING TAX PAYER DOLLARS to keep it floating.WHITE TAX PAYERS ARE SCARED TO RIDE IT because they fear for their LIVES.If it cant be paid for in full by the ridres of it, close it and let people buy a car.

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#3 Oct 22, 2011
...I'm called Oscar DoubleAction Knight and I have lived in Clayton County since 1961. with occasional separations in the military.

...The Atlanta Regional Roundtable is a group of tax hungry elected officials, from the Atlanta Region....Does anyone smell the odor of Rats among this group ?

Since: Aug 11

Jackson, GA

#5 Oct 24, 2011
I don't see why it's something that should be funded by the tax payers. Let's be honest here, the tax payers are not the ones who will be riding. It will only bring more thugs into the county, and make it easier for them to get around town while doing their criminal activity. I would be voting "Hell NO"

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#6 Oct 24, 2011
Take the $6 billion grant and send it back to the feds to pay off the massive debt incurred by obama. These unwarranted needless vote buying grants have caused the indebtedness we now have. People we are broke. If Georgia wants this massive transportation project let the citizens in the counties involved pay for it not the federal government.

“Registered Conservative”

Since: Jul 11

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#7 Oct 24, 2011
Subsidies and grants just kill local economies.

People should work, play, shop, worship, and govern locally.

Don't like where you live; move.
icouldusesomehel p

Huntington Beach, CA

#8 Oct 25, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
Take the $6 billion grant and send it back to the feds to pay off the massive debt incurred by obama. These unwarranted needless vote buying grants have caused the indebtedness we now have. People we are broke. If Georgia wants this massive transportation project let the citizens in the counties involved pay for it not the federal government.
Hi Kenny!

'Bout time you come out of the closet, don't you think?

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#9 Oct 26, 2011
...Worse places to live in Clayton County.....Forest Park and Morrow.....These two places has the most hateful residents in Clayton County and The Police are even worse than the residents.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10 Oct 26, 2011
Anoni Moss wrote:
I don't see why it's something that should be funded by the tax payers. Let's be honest here, the tax payers are not the ones who will be riding. It will only bring more thugs into the county, and make it easier for them to get around town while doing their criminal activity. I would be voting "Hell NO"
Well, first off, the tax payers are also funding your roads which make excellent escape routes for these "thugs" you speak of.

Secondly, I have never once seen anyone riding Marta in a ski mask carrying an LCD screen. Again, this activity is best accomplished with CARS.

And, lastly (at least for now). Why don't you look at what transit has done to improve Sandy Springs instead of just making stuff up.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#11 Oct 26, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
Take the $6 billion grant and send it back to the feds to pay off the massive debt incurred by obama. These unwarranted needless vote buying grants have caused the indebtedness we now have. People we are broke. If Georgia wants this massive transportation project let the citizens in the counties involved pay for it not the federal government.
The $6 billion you speak of is local money. The approx. revenue generated by 10 years of an extra 1 cent tax on purchases in the 10-county region where these transportation monies will be spent.

About half of this revenue stream will be spent on roadway improvements, the other half on transit - all within the region where the money is collected.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#12 Oct 26, 2011
DoubleAction wrote:
...I'm called Oscar DoubleAction Knight and I have lived in Clayton County since 1961. with occasional separations in the military.
...The Atlanta Regional Roundtable is a group of tax hungry elected officials, from the Atlanta Region....Does anyone smell the odor of Rats among this group ?
The Regional Roundtable is a State mandate.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#13 Oct 26, 2011
General Robert E Lee wrote:
Subsidies and grants just kill local economies.
People should work, play, shop, worship, and govern locally.
Don't like where you live; move.
Subsidies and grants bring money into the area to hire local people to accomplish work, usually infrastructure improvements.

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#15 Oct 27, 2011
Hedonist wrote:
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The $6 billion you speak of is local money. The approx. revenue generated by 10 years of an extra 1 cent tax on purchases in the 10-county region where these transportation monies will be spent.
About half of this revenue stream will be spent on roadway improvements, the other half on transit - all within the region where the money is collected.
Wrong again, Atlanta will receive 30 times more transportation grant money than they raise in local taxes. You don't read much do you?

http://www.doverlawfirm.com/blog/georgia-to-r...

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#16 Oct 27, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
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Wrong again, Atlanta will receive 30 times more transportation grant money than they raise in local taxes. You don't read much do you?
http://www.doverlawfirm.com/blog/georgia-to-r...
The article you cited states that Georgia will receive "$4.8 million". I thought we were talking about $6 billion.

And the $4.8 million is a grant for the "Atlanta Streetcar." (Not one of my favorite projects.)

The SPLOST we will be voting on next year is actually expected to bring in just over $7 billion. However 15% of this money will remain in the county where it is collected and can be used for projects TBD.

The remaining (roughly $6 billion) is all tied to the transportation projects agreed to by the Regional Roundtable, after months of input from concerned citizens. 55% of this money is for roadway improvements, 45% for transit.

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#17 Oct 27, 2011
Hedonist wrote:
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The article you cited states that Georgia will receive "$4.8 million". I thought we were talking about $6 billion.
And the $4.8 million is a grant for the "Atlanta Streetcar." (Not one of my favorite projects.)
The SPLOST we will be voting on next year is actually expected to bring in just over $7 billion. However 15% of this money will remain in the county where it is collected and can be used for projects TBD.
The remaining (roughly $6 billion) is all tied to the transportation projects agreed to by the Regional Roundtable, after months of input from concerned citizens. 55% of this money is for roadway improvements, 45% for transit.
Atlanta is welcomed to pay for all the transportation projects it wants, the rest of Georgia doesn't care if Atlanta chokes on its transportation problems.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#18 Oct 27, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
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Atlanta is welcomed to pay for all the transportation projects it wants, the rest of Georgia doesn't care if Atlanta chokes on its transportation problems.
Which is exactly why the State Legislature created the different Regions with their Transportation Roundtables. This structure means that the citizens in the counties involved pay for it.

Personally, I'd prefer a State-wide view of our transportation needs. High-speed rail between Savannah and Atlanta (and maybe Columbus or even Chattanooga) or other projects which could benefit the entire state and improve our ability to bring in large manufacturing concerns (more jobs).

Georgia has one of the lowest tax rates on transportation fuel consumption in the nation (Alaska & Wyoming are the only states with lower gas taxes). Even if we only increased the tax by 2 cents per gallon, we could generate about $5 billion dollars a year in new money for transportation improvements.

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#19 Oct 27, 2011
Hedonist wrote:
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Which is exactly why the State Legislature created the different Regions with their Transportation Roundtables. This structure means that the citizens in the counties involved pay for it.
Personally, I'd prefer a State-wide view of our transportation needs. High-speed rail between Savannah and Atlanta (and maybe Columbus or even Chattanooga) or other projects which could benefit the entire state and improve our ability to bring in large manufacturing concerns (more jobs).
Georgia has one of the lowest tax rates on transportation fuel consumption in the nation (Alaska & Wyoming are the only states with lower gas taxes). Even if we only increased the tax by 2 cents per gallon, we could generate about $5 billion dollars a year in new money for transportation improvements.
My Senator and Representative promised me they would fight any increase in gas taxes. We had the Nancy Hanks, between Atlanta and Savannah and it failed because no one would ride it. Building another rail line would be a waste of our tax money. Look at history, and learn. Conventions are moving from Atlanta because of high crime and high motel taxes, high taxes are not the answer to Atlanta's problems. You and I both know what Atlanta's big problem is.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#20 Oct 27, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
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My Senator and Representative promised me they would fight any increase in gas taxes. We had the Nancy Hanks, between Atlanta and Savannah and it failed because no one would ride it. Building another rail line would be a waste of our tax money. Look at history, and learn. Conventions are moving from Atlanta because of high crime and high motel taxes, high taxes are not the answer to Atlanta's problems. You and I both know what Atlanta's big problem is.
The Nancy Hanks -- "Ridership soared from the start. Demand for seats was so high that on weekdays a fifth car was added while on weekends a sixth car was required to supply the needs." (Rails Across Dixie) It did well in fact until the Southern Railway System acquired the Central of Georgia in 1963. That combined with cheaper airfares and Amtrak led to the eventual demise of the railway. And we could do it now with high-speed electric trains, reducing our dependence on Mid-Eastern oil.

Florida's hotel tax is much higher.

Atlanta is the busiest Airport in the world, so we have an easy opening to market our State. Our problem is the short-sighted people who can't or won't plan for a future that takes advantage of our position.

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#21 Oct 27, 2011
Hedonist wrote:
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The Nancy Hanks -- "Ridership soared from the start. Demand for seats was so high that on weekdays a fifth car was added while on weekends a sixth car was required to supply the needs." (Rails Across Dixie) It did well in fact until the Southern Railway System acquired the Central of Georgia in 1963. That combined with cheaper airfares and Amtrak led to the eventual demise of the railway. And we could do it now with high-speed electric trains, reducing our dependence on Mid-Eastern oil.
Florida's hotel tax is much higher.
Atlanta is the busiest Airport in the world, so we have an easy opening to market our State. Our problem is the short-sighted people who can't or won't plan for a future that takes advantage of our position.
To prove your point let the people who ride it pay for it, don't tax me because I'll never ride it or Marta. I tried to ride Amtrak once, out west, but it had a terrible schedule and was to expensive. It is typical of government run programs like MARTA, and APS. If Georgians would support an Atlanta/Savannah fast rail, the private enterprise would build it.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#22 Oct 27, 2011
lighteredknot wrote:
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To prove your point let the people who ride it pay for it, don't tax me because I'll never ride it or Marta. I tried to ride Amtrak once, out west, but it had a terrible schedule and was to expensive. It is typical of government run programs like MARTA, and APS. If Georgians would support an Atlanta/Savannah fast rail, the private enterprise would build it.
Point taken. And I agree, Amtrak is a typical gov't mess.

But, if we could just get Georgia to add 2-3 cents to our gas excise tax (we'd still be one of the cheapest states), we could take 1 cent for transit and the rest for roadway improvements.

Maybe you'd never use transit, but the people who do would be that many less people on the roads during rush hour. Maybe you don't have that problem, but the Atlanta regional commute is in the top ten for worst commutes in the nation. We're also tied for 7th in smog.

Yes, these are "Atlanta's problems". But if Georgia doesn't take responsibility for addressing "Atlanta's problems", we'll never attract the kind of corporations and manufacturing endeavors we need to spur job growth. And, with corporations comes corporate tax revenues.

Understand that I'm not so firmly entrenched in gas tax that I think it's the only way. But somehow we've got to take a larger view of the problems and potential solutions to move Georgia forward and make it the state other want to emulate. To do that, we've got to think outside of the box.

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