Clarion man faces criminal charges

Sep 30, 2008 Read more: The Derrick 37

Benjamin Baumcratz, 28, allegedly tried to set another man on fire. A Clarion man is facing charges of attempted homicide in connection with an incident last weekend at a Clarion Township residence along Day ...

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anonymous

United States

#1 Oct 9, 2008
I was a witness to this alleged crime and was there during the incident and the 28 year old man never attempted to set anyone on fire but himself. His step father threatened to kill the 28 year old. I find the police should have taken statements from all the witnesses because I waited and repeatedly told them I was a witness but my statment was never taken. If the right actions would have been taken by the police, the truth would be out instead a one sided statement.
Sissy

Saint Marys, PA

#2 Oct 16, 2008
Are you kidding??? This guy tried not only to kill his step father but also told his mother goodbye and then threw gas on the house and tried to light it on fire. He was not trying to kill himself. If he was he could have easily succeeded.The exact right actions were taken by the police and he is where he should be and your word as a "witness" would never hold any credibility anyway.
mom

Saint Marys, PA

#3 Oct 18, 2008
hello i am the mom and the victim of this horific crime. First of all i want you to know how torn i am in this whole situation. I turly have done every thing possible for my son. I have loved him unconditionally given him the benifit of the doubt and stood beside him when things were tuff. I cleaned his home when the girlfriend was to LAZY!!! I watched his children, my grandchildren at a drops notice. There was nothing i would do for him and his family. His girlfriend showed up at my place of work and told me to stay away that i would never see her children again. As a memaw this was very, very hard but i did what i thought they wished. Then to have him come to my home try to burn our garage, my husband, our home and myself. Well i can not tell you how torn i am right now. His girlfriend told me that day that i got what i deserved and that i brought this all on my self. I truly don't understand. All i did was love him and try to love his new family. Please understand that there is nothing that i would not do for him. I still love him but at this time i am so afraid of him. He was not raised like this. Yes he lived with me for a while and then with his dad. When he turned 18 he lived with my new husband and myself. We did every thing possible for him and loved him unconditionally. He is still my son and i love my son but that was not my son and i am so afraid of who that was i can not explain. In the past he has attacked my husband. He has tried to keep his son away from us. I just don't know what happened to the son that i loved and was so very proud of. My husband even got him a job where they could work togeather. That didn't work. Ben was into race cars mainly camaro's so my husband bought one so they could race them togeather. Please if anyone has any answers or can explain what happened to the son that i loved PLEASE let me know..........
anonymous

New Bethlehem, PA

#4 Dec 27, 2008
if you don't know the man you need to shut your face. you weren't there...and as a matter of fact his mother is insane. she did this and then shut out anyone who didn't agree with her crazy ass.
sally sees me

New Bethlehem, PA

#5 Dec 27, 2008
The "victim" got what she wanted and pushed at for months...for the most part. She pushed her son to break up with his girlfriend for his ex who she claimed to hate. No one was ever good enough because if her son was happy he wasn't paying her bills or dropping everything for her. She didn't even raise the poor boy...his dad did. His dad is still there for him when no one else is. They didn't do anything for anyone but themselves. The got what they wanted....lives of people who didn't mold and do what they wanted ruined. They ruined their son's family and happiness. Now they want him to rot in jail too. What's he got to go home to? his family is in ruins and it can't be fixed. Besides they have "the granchild they always wanted" from their favorite child. they disowned their daughter because of everything. They are petty. I feel nothing for them. Just because one person gets in trouble doesn't mean there wasn't other things leading up to it. Unless you are God....you don't know it all. Maybe they will be pleased enough pretending to play God instead.
Sissy

Brookville, PA

#6 Jan 24, 2009
Come on "anonymous" your immaturity is showing through yet again. You are so quick to blame everyone for the actions of the "the man"... when does he get to take responsibility for his own actions??? He is 29 years old not five. You are right about one thing though..I was not there. I had left a whole 2 minutes before he decided to attack his family. The bad thing is you knew what he was going to do and surprise surprise you did nothing to stop him.I know... you were too tired. I get soo tired of hearing "adults" blaming their actions on what a tough childhood they had. And since his mother didn't raise him as you say then who do you blame??? The dad who did raise this "poor boy"??? hmmm. He is to blame for his own actions nobody else. His sister is a big girl. She made her own choice she gets to live with it. As far as his mom and step dad doing nothing for him...anybody who isn't lying to themselves and knows "the boy" knows better. Maybe someday everyone will grow up and place the blame where it really belongs. There is only one person responsible for this mess and that is Ben himself.And now I will "shut my face" till I hear from you again.
mom

Saint Marys, PA

#7 Jan 24, 2009
Okay, so ya don't want to give your name. Well once again shows your mentality. I as you see am not ashamed of what I have to say. First of all, I am insane for thinking you were good for my son. Thinking that you would grow up and be an adult, take care of your children and not live like a hog. Yes I only wanted the best for my son and we all know that sure is NOT you. Yes my children did live with their dad for a while because I loved them enough to make sure they came first. Giving them to their dad was very hard for me and it is a pain you would never understand. Will I blame him for Ben doing what he did no Ben is 29 years old. As for Ben's family and happiness, well you are the one who wanted to run as soon as he got in trouble. You called the ex-girlfriend said he needed out to get a job and you were screwed because you didn't get and child support. So who was the one being the molder there. Speaking of which your house was so full of mold that is why I question any happiness that you say he had. No we do NOT want him to rot in jail, we DO WANT him to get the help he needs. Perhaps being away from you and Bill will be the first step to his recovery. And the favorite child comment. Well let me tell you. I am sorry to admit but I, We did more for Ben then the others all together. So don't tell me that. It has not always been a bed of roses with any child and that is part of growing. Adam has always been there for us and admits his mistakes, and has become a very good father and provider for his family. Ben tried to do this for you but for some reason it was never enough. They say you always hurt the ones you love, maybe, Ben attacked us because he was so upset with you. Maybe you should step back, have a good long talk with God and see where you are in your life right now. Become and adult. You have 2 children who need a mom. Suck it up and deal with what you got and what you have made. Oh and one more thing does CYS or DNA mean anything.....
little one

Lexington, KY

#8 Feb 28, 2009
ok look i am seeing this in a completely neutral light...this family has done so many things for me i am grateful and at one point in time felt very loved by them. no one is perfect mom, sissy, annonymous, anyone who is touched by the situation please try and remember this. instead of pointing fingers and passing blame just take a moment and look at what u r doing. u all care for the man in question there is no doubt in my mind u also love his children so do what needs to be done to make things ok with them. they do not understand they r kids, all they know is the dad they love has been bad and left them. it has to hurt seeing what family they have left being so angry and spiteful. yes the man is old enough to know better and should pay for his wrong doing, i agree 100%, but perhaps sitting in a jail sell while his family rips itself apart is not the best option. i know him i have known several of u since i was 6yrs old and i am now 21, u r all good people try and keep that in mind dont speak with a harsh tounge or u may regret it in the future. Everybody's cheese slips from their cracker once in awhile, but it is when sumone catches it before it hits the floor that makes things ok!!!

you all remain in my thoughts and prayers <3
mom

Brookville, PA

#9 Mar 4, 2009
little one i must agree you are right. i do love him, and his children. I miss them all but have been told no contact. I think of Ben everyday, when something happens at the jail i think oh is he okay. When his "friend" passed, i thought, how is he doing, is he handling it okay. His girlfriend's brother came to our house late that night. They had Ben's little girl with them. I cried could not believe how she has grown. I miss her so much. We talked to the DA and charges are out of our hand. Ben needs to learn from his mistakes, understand the pain he has caused his entire family, all sides. We only wish the best for Ben and his children. The fear for us is never ending. We hear every noise, fire to us is our second greatest fear. Our first is the safety of Ben and his children. I have had a long talk with his Dad and we are trying to move on. We are simply tired of being treated as if we were the ones who did something wrong. What we did was try to help them to the best of our ability, care for the children, and stay away when they asked us to. I hope in the coming days and months that anonymous comes to realize this too. Please be there for Ben and be a good mom to the baby, she is a great gift you have been given and you need to let her know that by actions and words. I am sorry for venting on this but sometimes people can push your buttons and make you say things that you shouldn't.Never should people be pushed to the point that Ben was. That tells me that something is wrong and he needs help. Actions speak louder then words and i have no doubt that some people think that i am full of bull but i am not. I am a mom who misses her children and grandchild.
mom

Saint Marys, PA

#10 Mar 4, 2009
little one wrote:
ok look i am seeing this in a completely neutral light...this family has done so many things for me i am grateful and at one point in time felt very loved by them. no one is perfect mom, sissy, annonymous, anyone who is touched by the situation please try and remember this. instead of pointing fingers and passing blame just take a moment and look at what u r doing. u all care for the man in question there is no doubt in my mind u also love his children so do what needs to be done to make things ok with them. they do not understand they r kids, all they know is the dad they love has been bad and left them. it has to hurt seeing what family they have left being so angry and spiteful. yes the man is old enough to know better and should pay for his wrong doing, i agree 100%, but perhaps sitting in a jail sell while his family rips itself apart is not the best option. i know him i have known several of u since i was 6yrs old and i am now 21, u r all good people try and keep that in mind dont speak with a harsh tounge or u may regret it in the future. Everybody's cheese slips from their cracker once in awhile, but it is when sumone catches it before it hits the floor that makes things ok!!!
you all remain in my thoughts and prayers <3
i would love to know who you are and thank you for helping me see right from wrong.
little one

Brookville, PA

#11 Mar 9, 2009
mom i am glad u agree...it is good that you have let go of the anger! everyone has made mistakes now unfortunately everyone is paying for them. i am so sorry that things are now out of your hands atleast everyone in this situation has learned sumthing and in the end i'm sure life will be a little better. Stay strong keep the ones you love close but those you dispise or who dispise you even closer!!! u and your family will be in my heart forever i am watchin out for you in the best ways i know how :)
little one

Brookville, PA

#12 Mar 9, 2009
P.S.
it may not please u to know...i have the best intentions please know this!!! I painted your upstairs green your husband called me "little one"
mom

Lexington, KY

#13 Mar 13, 2009
hello little one, thanks again for letting me vent and then see what the big picture is. Yesterday was one of his hearings. I chose not to go as seeing him in shackles would kill me. We will be talking to the judge too not that we have any say in what happens but just to put it out there that we don't want him to rot in jail. We do want him to get the help he needs and needed way back in nov. of 1996 when he had his first sign of trouble. But that is water over the dam and if this is what it takes to bring him back then i guess that is what is ment to be. When you helped her move that truly killed both of us and just added to the pain. But as you can see we forgive quickly. And try to learn from everything. Please when you see the baby give her a hug and kiss from memaw. And thanks again.
apple

Brookville, PA

#14 Mar 17, 2009
Well it is nice to see that the apple don't fall far from the tree...Like mother like daughter. She sleeps with f----, daughter sleeps with F----. Daughter tell lies about who is the victim, mother backs her up. Everyone knows who joe's father is and so one will back the other. Ben was a good man till he got mixed up with all the drug, low life scum that he did. What he did to his family is nothing short of crazy and lets hope he has time to realize it while he is in jail. Grow up Z---e family and maybe you can get the help u need....
loving bistandard

Brookville, PA

#15 Mar 18, 2009
ok look apple, whoever u r... it is fine to be mad at the victims fiance, mom, whoever wether it is for your own stupid petty reasons or because u actually pretend to care, but come on how nice is it to invole an innocent 5 year old boy? everyone makes mistakes so move on grow up and learn from it. did u ever stop and think about that little boy's feelings? how he mite feel when people like yourself talk about his mother, grandmother, father ,or whomever he cares about? his life is being turned upside down rite now!!!! miranda knows without a doubt who that little boys sperm doner is but all that truly matters is that joey knows in his heart who his daddy is...and that is Ben!!!! he loves him with all his heart and counts the days til they can be a family again!!!!
As far as the incident goes get over it... everyone is trying to live life a little better these days but people like you r preventing that! no one truly knows what happened that day except the 4 people who were front row and center so shut your mouth and grow up!!!! if u care about any party that was involved just do what u can by keeping them in your prayers and stop trying to create more drama!!!!!!! Ben may have had his isuues but he was and still remains a good person!!!
loving bistandard

Brookville, PA

#16 Mar 18, 2009
mom wrote:
hello little one, thanks again for letting me vent and then see what the big picture is. Yesterday was one of his hearings. I chose not to go as seeing him in shackles would kill me. We will be talking to the judge too not that we have any say in what happens but just to put it out there that we don't want him to rot in jail. We do want him to get the help he needs and needed way back in nov. of 1996 when he had his first sign of trouble. But that is water over the dam and if this is what it takes to bring him back then i guess that is what is ment to be. When you helped her move that truly killed both of us and just added to the pain. But as you can see we forgive quickly. And try to learn from everything. Please when you see the baby give her a hug and kiss from memaw. And thanks again.
Little One never wanted to hurt anyone she was bitter for what your youngest son did to her...he knows a window was broken....she has evaluated the situation and has decided not to act upon the pettyness any longer! She loves those who r involved and will stand up for what is just in any way she can!
onlooker

Saint Marys, PA

#17 Mar 18, 2009
To many darts being thrown. What was the root cause that set Ben off ? If his family knew or believed he had a problem , would you not think they would modify their actions or reactions . To me that is step one in understanding his problem and creating some direction toward helping him..There is a lots of blame to go around, Stop, Think, Forgive, Love, Support and help him .. Life is to short for this kind of bull . Pray for him and yourselves..
mom

Nicholasville, KY

#18 Mar 18, 2009
Who is to blame. It is hard to tell. Joey loves Ben and Ben IS Joey's dad. So who give a damn about bio. It is who give the care and love to a child that matters. Apple needs to rethink what he or she is talking about. Not sure what the comment about youngest son did or what as I am the mom and seem to be the last to know anything. Your correct in saying that too many darts are being thrown. I believe that all have lost focus on the big picture and that is that family's have been torn apart. We still live in fear. Night mares that someone will burn the house down while we sleep. People waiting till I am alone to finish what Ben started. I am dealing with this the best way I know how. Along with my Dr. People say get over it. They have never been there. It is not that easy. And then to be reminded of it in such vicious words as apple well perhaps that person needs help too. None of us are perfect but most of us learn from our mistakes lets hope he or she does also.
seeing sally

Brookville, PA

#19 May 27, 2009
sally sees me wrote:
The "victim" got what she wanted and pushed at for months...for the most part. She pushed her son to break up with his girlfriend for his ex who she claimed to hate. No one was ever good enough because if her son was happy he wasn't paying her bills or dropping everything for her. She didn't even raise the poor boy...his dad did. His dad is still there for him when no one else is. They didn't do anything for anyone but themselves. The got what they wanted....lives of people who didn't mold and do what they wanted ruined. They ruined their son's family and happiness. Now they want him to rot in jail too. What's he got to go home to? his family is in ruins and it can't be fixed. Besides they have "the granchild they always wanted" from their favorite child. they disowned their daughter because of everything. They are petty. I feel nothing for them. Just because one person gets in trouble doesn't mean there wasn't other things leading up to it. Unless you are God....you don't know it all. Maybe they will be pleased enough pretending to play God instead.
Well meranda I see that you havent changed. i have been told since Ben going to jail you have been with 8 different guys. that is really showing your support of him. and going by his moms house flipping them off when there grandchildren are there and the neighbor children see you shows you are a very poor excuse of a mom/girlfriend. I am glad you told Ben that you have moved on. Now Ben can be the loving man he was before you came along....
rolfcoptor

Maple Shade, NJ

#20 Jun 1, 2009
Wow, rumors? We know those are never ever spread out of spite! I'm sure you have an unbiased source.

Seriously, it's your son's life. Get out of his life and his ex girlfriend's. Don't support them. Ignore them. They deserve it, right?

I mean, you believe the girlfriend is a slut and couldn't possibly know the paternity of either of her children. So ignore her and leave her alone.

Your son tried to burn down your house and kill your husband. Cut him out of your life. He's obviously insane. How about getting a restraining order? That would be the logical thing to do.

Or continue acting like a five-year-old. I mean, you love the drama, don't you?

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