Gun-rights advocates seek to mainstre...

Gun-rights advocates seek to mainstream carrying in public

There are 87 comments on the Richmond Times-Dispatch story from Mar 27, 2011, titled Gun-rights advocates seek to mainstream carrying in public. In it, Richmond Times-Dispatch reports that:

Malcolm Patterson bristles at the thought of gun owners openly carrying weapons into Pocahontas State Park, where his young sons were running around on a playground.

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right to crazy

Douglasville, GA

#23 Mar 30, 2011
Law wrote:
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If there were less swimming pools there would be less deaths resulting from them.
If there were automobiles there would be less deaths resulting from them.
If there were less blunt instruments there would be less deaths resulting from them.
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A "rights zealot"? What's that? Someone that respects others rights and liberties is now a "rights zealot"? Guess the opposite of a "rights zealot" is a "frustrated control freak".
<quoted text>Worked for Stalin. Worked for Hitler. Worked for a lot of despots. You keep great company.
yes, less swimming pools, automobiles and blunt instruments would result in less deaths.
So would less guns.

A rights zealot wants less gun control laws, enabling more guns in the general population, which enables more violence.

I don't see the parallel between Hitler / Stalin meglomanias and desiring less violence as a result of less guns in the hands of the general population.
right to crazy

Douglasville, GA

#24 Mar 30, 2011
only nra crazies take the right to carry argument to the extent of keeping our police in check and our country from devolving into fascism

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#25 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
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yes, less swimming pools, automobiles and blunt instruments would result in less deaths.
So would less guns.
A rights zealot wants less gun control laws, enabling more guns in the general population, which enables more violence.
I don't see the parallel between Hitler / Stalin meglomanias and desiring less violence as a result of less guns in the hands of the general population.
Guns cause crime.
Pencils missspel words.
Cars cause people to drive drunk.
Spoons make people fat.
etc. etc. etc
right to crazy

Douglasville, GA

#26 Mar 30, 2011
teen turns gun on mom to buy her a car

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story...

good thing for the spoiled brat a gun was so easy to obtain
true

United States

#27 Mar 30, 2011
look out wrote:
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Other fear factor scenarios, such as home invasion, road rage killers,(insert your constitutionally enabled threat here) would be reduced if guns weren't available.
Do you think there would be a greater chance for gun violence with 10,000 guns in your town, or 1,000 guns, or 100, or 10? Simple math.
Simple math ahs shown that time and time again MORE GUNS LESS CRIME IDIOT. JUST GOOGLE HOW DADDYS LITTLE GIRL TOOK OUT 2 PIECESOFSH^T IN MONTANA!, YOUR PROBABLY RIGHT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER FOR HER TO GET RAPED AND MURDERED FROM THE TWO DEMONS THAT HAD JUST BEAT A OLD MAN TO DEATH THE DAY BEFORE AND TOOK HIS GUN IM SURE THEY HAD NO INTENTIONS ON RAPING THE LITTLE 10 OR 12 YEAROLD

IF YOU DONT LIKE GUNS AND LIVE NEAR ME PLEASE PUT A SIGN OUT IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE SO THEY CAN KNOW WHERE TO GO. OR JUST SHOUT UP
right to crazy

Douglasville, GA

#28 Mar 30, 2011
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Guns cause crime.
Pencils missspel words.
Cars cause people to drive drunk.
Spoons make people fat.
etc. etc. etc
people cause crime and people kill people and guns enable both.
guns don't cause violence, but are a tool to enable maximum violence

less guns = less crime and violence - simple math

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#29 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
teen turns gun on mom to buy her a car
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story...
good thing for the spoiled brat a gun was so easy to obtain
But you would be OK with it if the teen went after the mom with a knife or a baseball bat, so long as a gun wasn't used, right?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#30 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
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people cause crime and people kill people and guns enable both.
guns don't cause violence, but are a tool to enable maximum violence
less guns = less crime and violence - simple math
You couldn't be more WRONG.

Over the last 3-4 years, private gun ownership has increased by around 40%, while the overall violent crime rate has FALLEN. Hmmmm

If what you claim is true, why hasn't the violent crime rate skyrocketed?
true

United States

#31 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
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people cause crime and people kill people and guns enable both.
guns don't cause violence, but are a tool to enable maximum violence
less guns = less crime and violence - simple math
Guess you never heard of a basball bat

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#32 Mar 30, 2011
Men don't need a gun to kill people, especially women and kids. But women need guns to protect their lives from men (armed or not).
right to crazy wrote:
less guns = less crime and violence - simple math
It is the drug laws that cause most violence.

Like others have said to you; you're ok with knife crime, but not gun crime.

And armed military and police murdered millions of unarmed peasants in Russia, China, and Nazi Germany.

“Constitutionist/ SAF”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#33 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
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you have it backwards
those other countries have less gun violence because THEY HAVE LESS GUNS
there may be violence, but deaths aren't as likely to be caused by guns
You listed many reasons for death other than guns. Why don't we throw in old age, cancer, auto accidents and purpose driven deaths, suicide, poisoning, pre-meditated murder without the use of guns.
These aren't arguments for having more guns in society. Indeed if there were less, there would be less deaths resulting from them.
Yeah, I would feel safer around a 21 year old cop with a gun, than a rights zealot with one. In general, I would feel safer with an armed police force, until guns in this country were reduced to the point where they weren't such a threat.
Guns are the least causes of death.
right to crazy wrote:
...Yeah, I would feel safer around a 21 year old cop with a gun, than a rights zealot with one. In general, I would feel safer with an armed police force, until guns in this country were reduced to the point where they weren't such a threat.
Most gun crime is done by the most irresponsible, corrupt people. You blame it on everyone else, except the pigs.

If a pig murdered you (with his gun) he knows he'll lose his job. A pig will antagonize you (seek revenge) using other means. Pigs can antagonize you until you hang yourself. Pigs are the govt's strongarm. Govt is always our worst enemy.

Adolf Hitler's police force rounded-up millions of Jews and then murdered them.
right to crazy wrote:
., I would feel safer with an armed police force,
When a armed criminal is in your face (or on top of you) the pigs are minutes away, if at all. Obtain a gun and feel more safe.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#34 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
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people cause crime and people kill people and guns enable both.
guns don't cause violence, but are a tool to enable maximum violence
less guns = less crime and violence - simple math
You need to check out his book by John Lott..."More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws"

http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Un...

And just in case you think this is just another book written by a gun rights advocate, John Lott was very ANTI-gun until he started doing some very extensive research into the matter. Hmmmmm
Cville Free Citizen

Houston, TX

#35 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
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Yeah, I would feel safer
Good thing irrational "feelings" do not trump citizen rights.
And my right of self preservation is not negotiable.
A child looks to his parents to take care of him.
A free man looks to himself.
Be a child all your life if you wish.
Myself, I am happy to be a free man.
And yes, I carry my weapon either "open" or concealed 24/7.
Camilla

Memphis, TN

#36 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
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people cause crime and people kill people and guns enable both.
guns don't cause violence, but are a tool to enable maximum violence
less guns = less crime and violence - simple math
whether they are banned or not the criminal will still have them. Take them out of their hands first, then we'll talk about taking them out of honest law abiding citizens.
Law

Omaha, NE

#37 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
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yes, less swimming pools, automobiles and blunt instruments would result in less deaths.
So would less guns.
A rights zealot wants less gun control laws, enabling more guns in the general population, which enables more violence.
Most incorrect. Less gun control laws would not enable more guns in the general population...which enables more violence.
First, guns don't enable violence. Violence is in the mind of the perpetrator, not the gun.
Second, there are over 20,000 Federal, State, County, Municipal and City gun laws. Using your logic, 20,000 more such laws would reduce crime. 20,000 more on top of that would reduce violence even more significantly. How many more would eliminate it all together in your mind?
Third, laws are only as good as the people that obey them. Criminals, by definition, don't obey laws. No matter how many you have.
right to crazy wrote:
I don't see the parallel between Hitler / Stalin meglomanias and desiring less violence as a result of less guns in the hands of the general population.
They were big on confiscation of guns thereby putting the people of their country at a distinct disadvantage for what was to come.
Your plan of disarming the law-abiding citizen under the most specious of reasons puts those same citizens at danger from those who would prey on them knowing they've been disarmed.
Law

Omaha, NE

#38 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
only nra crazies take the right to carry argument to the extent of keeping our police in check and our country from devolving into fascism
Only stooges that advocate gun control laws truly like to see criminals including many in government in positions to prey on the law abiding citizen.
Law

Omaha, NE

#39 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
teen turns gun on mom to buy her a car
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story...
good thing for the spoiled brat a gun was so easy to obtain
http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Police-S...

HARLINGEN - Authorities say the man found dead on the side of the road in Harlingen was shot because he was threatening a homeowner, and the homeowner fought back.

Too bad for you the homeowner was armed.

http://ourtribune.com/article.php...

Harris County officials say a domestic dispute turned deadly last Thursday after a woman's boyfriend fatally shot her ex-boyfriend inside her Atascocita Forest home.

After an effort to reconcile their relationship, the woman's ex-boyfriend allegedly tried to force his way into her home on Apple Hollow Lane, Harris County sheriff’s deputies reported. The woman and her current boyfriend were inside the home watching television around 7 p.m. The ex-boyfriend was banging on the front door and the woman opened the door to avoid the man from damaging it. Deputies say the man came in the home and attempted to fight the woman's current boyfriend, who produced a pistol and shot the unarmed ex-boyfriend more than once. According to police, he said it was in self-defense.

Too bad the for you the shooter and the woman were not killed by the abusive ex-boyfriend.

http://www.wkrg.com/alabama/article/woman-sho...

A Mobile man will be taken to jail once he gets out of the hospital.

The Mobile County Sheriff's Office says Rex Thompson kicked down the front door of his girlfriend's home on Moffett Road in Semmes. She shot him in the left hand in self defense.

When Thompson is released from the hospital, he will be charged with attempted burglary, criminal mischief and domestic violence 3rd. His ex-girlfriend will not be face charges.will not be face charges.

Aw, too bad for you the woman wasn't beaten.
Law

Omaha, NE

#40 Mar 30, 2011
right to crazy wrote:
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people cause crime and people kill people and guns enable both.
Guns don't enable people to kill other people. A twisted mind and no regard for life & property do.
right to crazy wrote:
guns don't cause violence, but are a tool to enable maximum violence
Like McVeigh used? Oh wait....no guns were used to bring down the Murrah building.
right to crazy wrote:
less guns = less crime and violence - simple math
Your math doesn't add up.
Camilla

Memphis, TN

#41 Mar 30, 2011
http://www.wnem.com/news/27267465/detail.html
A local market owner took justice into his own hands when police said two men tried to rob his business. Right now residents in Flint say there's just not enough police to protect them.

“With the way the city of Flint is, we all have to start getting guns,” said Jules Market owner Cheryl Joubran.“My son just got his gun and he said,‘I hope I never have to use it.’”

But Joubran’s son did use a gun. Flint police told TV5 two people came in the door on a mission to rob Jules Market, but Edmund Joubran, who works at his parents' business, fired before the robbers could.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110112/ap_on_re_...

TAMPA, Fla.– A pistol-packing jogger in Florida won't be charged for shooting and killing a teenager who attacked him during a midnight run.

Prosecutors said Tuesday they are convinced Thomas Baker acted in self defense when he fired eight shots at 18-year-old Carlos Mustelier near Tampa in November .

Prosecutors say Florida's "stand-your-ground" law was a factor in their decision. The law, passed in 2005, gives people the right to use deadly force as long as they "reasonably believe" it is necessary to stop another person from hurting them.

Baker told police he reached for his gun when the teen punched him in the face. Baker has a concealed weapons permit.
lord

United States

#42 Mar 30, 2011
Tory II wrote:
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Adolf Hitler's police force rounded-up millions of Jews and then murdered them.
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But first, Hitler instituted gun control, and then Hitler ordered his army to round up Jews, and a lot of other people as well. The goons who carried out his orders did so in much greater safety than would be the case had Germany had a Second Amendment.

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