Gun-rights advocates seek to mainstream carrying in public

Mar 27, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Richmond Times-Dispatch

Malcolm Patterson bristles at the thought of gun owners openly carrying weapons into Pocahontas State Park, where his young sons were running around on a playground.

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Mar 27, 2011
 
Opposition to Guns in Parks:
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"You never know," he said. His wife, Michelle, chimed in, "There's a lot of crazies out there."
Do you know how many ? Two, four, six, more ? Ninety million Americans own guns. How many of them are "crazies" who will, but have not yet, ignore the law that prohibits murder just to be able to murder with a gun a person visiting a park ?
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Patterson, 28, who lost a close friend in a shooting years ago, said he would promptly leave the Chesterfield County park with Patrick, 3, and Sean, 1, if someone walked into the park with a gun strapped to his waistband.
He thinks a killer will be open carrying rather than concealing his handgun. Will he do the same if he sees an armed pig ? And what makes him think he can escape before something bad happens ?
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It is an attempt to make what is abnormal seem normal," said Joshua Horwitz, executive director of the Washington-based Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and vice president of The Virginia Center for Public Safety.
The antigun crusader is not a safety expert or a normal person. It's abnormal to think it's safe to exist unarmed.
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Horwitz called the governor's decision to allow open carry in state parks "one more example of trying to spread firearms into every avenue of Virginia life."
An armed society is a safer society. Horwitz, an obvious hoplophobe, is afraid of an armed society. Crime is down nationwide and gun ownership is up nationwide.
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There's clearly a push on the part of gun-rights supporters to open previously closed spaces," Bennett said. "It's going to be very difficult to keep 'anywhere' gun-free if they're opening up places like churches, bars and college campuses."
Two minute video: How To Create Gun Free Zone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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this is America everywhere is a open space for freedom
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"Gun-rights advocates"

Hate the way the news industry refers to US Citizens who fight for preexisting rights with labels as if they were invaders from a distant planet.

"News Industry Scumbags" ? Sound good, make them happy? Would that be appropriate and fair-minded parity?
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Like most advocates of open-carry, I like for everyone to see my big gun so as to metaphorically compensate for my comically tiny penis.
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John Charles Carter wrote:
Like most advocates of open-carry, I like for everyone to see my big gun so as to metaphorically compensate for my comically tiny penis.
and to shoot the person who dares snicker at its size
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John Charles Carter wrote:
Like most advocates of open-carry, I like for everyone to see my big gun so as to metaphorically compensate for my comically tiny penis.
What are women who carry guns compensating for, you stupid fkn dipshit liberal?
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Mar 30, 2011
 
Dahhh just look at the name malcolm, you know he was picked on all his lfe and is a sniffling little worm
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Wolverine wrote:
<quoted text>What are women who carry guns compensating for, you stupid fkn dipshit liberal?
their redneck pea-brains
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>An armed society is a safer society.
That is a fear-fanning nra counter-intuitive statement
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa0...

if guns were non-existent there would be less homicides
if guns were harder to obtain, and only police/military were armed, ditto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_...
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If guns where illegal the 545 piecesofsh^t in office who put over 300 some million americans in debt would run this country into the ground and welcome WE THE PEOPLE into surfdom

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That is a fear-fanning nra counter-intuitive statement
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa0...
if guns were non-existent there would be less homicides
if guns were harder to obtain, and only police/military were armed, ditto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_...
http://www.a-human-right.com/s_doors.jpg
Which home do you think a burglar would rather break into?

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Or rather...which home to do you think a burglar would feel SAFER breaking into?
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Or rather...which home to do you think a burglar would feel SAFER breaking into?
I wecome them to my place but cant seem to get any takers, nothing like the feeling of blowing away a intruder, case is closed and no court exspence
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If a person who is open carrying is in a store, gas station, carry out, whatever, and their holstered firearm is clearly visible, and a hoodlum with a firearm concealed in his baggy sweatpants comes in to rob the store and sees this, the hoodlum will probably change his plan and go somewhere else. If an insane person comes in to kill as many innocent people as they can, the open carrier might put a stop to the insane person shooting and save some lives. If you are in the business at the same time as the open carrier, you are safer because of their presence.
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If a person who is open carrying is in a store, gas station, carry out, whatever, and their holstered firearm is clearly visible, and a hoodlum with a firearm concealed in his baggy sweatpants comes in to rob the store and sees this, the hoodlum will probably change his plan and go somewhere else. If an insane person comes in to kill as many innocent people as they can, the open carrier might put a stop to the insane person shooting and save some lives. If you are in the business at the same time as the open carrier, you are safer because of their presence.
no doubt to your hypothetical and relatively rare scenarios, however if guns were not easily obtained, there would be less out there for the crazies
i've encountered 0 baggy sweatpants robbers and insane shooters in my thousands of store shopping experiences, and would feel safer if there were less guns around. seeing one on your hip would not put me further at ease, on the contrary, it would be an invitation for a crazy/hoodlum to knock you down from behind, take your gun and threaten others
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no doubt to your hypothetical and relatively rare scenarios, however if guns were not easily obtained, there would be less out there for the crazies
i've encountered 0 baggy sweatpants robbers and insane shooters in my thousands of store shopping experiences, and would feel safer if there were less guns around. seeing one on your hip would not put me further at ease, on the contrary, it would be an invitation for a crazy/hoodlum to knock you down from behind, take your gun and threaten others
Other fear factor scenarios, such as home invasion, road rage killers,(insert your constitutionally enabled threat here) would be reduced if guns weren't available.
Do you think there would be a greater chance for gun violence with 10,000 guns in your town, or 1,000 guns, or 100, or 10? Simple math.

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An armed society is a safer society.
right to crazy wrote:
That is a fear-fanning nra counter-intuitive statement

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa0...

if guns were non-existent there would be less homicides
if guns were harder to obtain, and only police/military were armed, ditto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_...
The first link is about Canada gun control laws. The Canadiens are so peaceful why would they bother to have those strict gun control laws ?

The next link is about England's gun control laws. If England is so peaceful then why does it need strict gun control laws ? The truth is, England is a very violent country.
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if guns were non-existent there would be less homicides.
A million Rwandans were hacked to death by govt forces. Hitler murdered millions by gassing them. The 9/11 hijackers murdered 3,000 without guns. McVeigh murdered a few hundred without a gun, and Dahmer and Gacy also murdered many people without possessing guns.

Guns are the least causes of death.
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if guns were harder to obtain, and only police/military were armed, ditto
So you say a 21 year-old cop is more responsible, less life threatening than you or me ?

Two minute video How To Create Gun Free Zone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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An armed society is a safer society.
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The first link is about Canada gun control laws. The Canadiens are so peaceful why would they bother to have those strict gun control laws ?
The next link is about England's gun control laws. If England is so peaceful then why does it need strict gun control laws ? The truth is, England is a very violent country.
<quoted text>A million Rwandans were hacked to death by govt forces. Hitler murdered millions by gassing them. The 9/11 hijackers murdered 3,000 without guns. McVeigh murdered a few hundred without a gun, and Dahmer and Gacy also murdered many people without possessing guns.
Guns are the least causes of death.
<quoted text>So you say a 21 year-old cop is more responsible, less life threatening than you or me ?
Two minute video How To Create Gun Free Zone:
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you have it backwards
those other countries have less gun violence because THEY HAVE LESS GUNS

there may be violence, but deaths aren't as likely to be caused by guns

You listed many reasons for death other than guns. Why don't we throw in old age, cancer, auto accidents and purpose driven deaths, suicide, poisoning, pre-meditated murder without the use of guns.

These aren't arguments for having more guns in society. Indeed if there were less, there would be less deaths resulting from them.

Yeah, I would feel safer around a 21 year old cop with a gun, than a rights zealot with one. In general, I would feel safer with an armed police force, until guns in this country were reduced to the point where they weren't such a threat.
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Like most advocates of open-carry, I like for everyone to see my big gun so as to metaphorically compensate for my comically tiny penis.
Another "Penis on the Brain Syndrome" sufferer reveals and parades his malady.
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These aren't arguments for having more guns in society. Indeed if there were less, there would be less deaths resulting from them.
If there were less swimming pools there would be less deaths resulting from them.
If there were automobiles there would be less deaths resulting from them.
If there were less blunt instruments there would be less deaths resulting from them.
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Yeah, I would feel safer around a 21 year old cop with a gun, than a rights zealot with one.
A "rights zealot"? What's that? Someone that respects others rights and liberties is now a "rights zealot"? Guess the opposite of a "rights zealot" is a "frustrated control freak".
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In general, I would feel safer with an armed police force, until guns in this country were reduced to the point where they weren't such a threat.
Worked for Stalin. Worked for Hitler. Worked for a lot of despots. You keep great company.

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