Fatal Shooting May Be Linked To Phillips Manhunt

Family members think the intensive manhunt for escapee Ralph "Bucky" Phillips may have led to the death of a Southern Tier man. Full Story
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bill

Greenville, SC

#1 Jun 26, 2006
I knew Brad Horton quite well. He was a stand-up guy who didn't deserve to be shot down by some ignorant state cop, whose name won't even be released. It should be made clear that it is nearly impossible to become entangled in the back of an ATV; therefore, the cop was holding onto the vehicle in hopes of being the hero who caught Bucky Philips. I hope that this manhunt was worth the life of an innocent young person who served his country, was recently married, is a positive character in the village's tight-knit community and will be sadly missed by all who knew him. The idiot who shot him should rot in jail.
Wolfacorn

United States

#2 Jun 26, 2006
This guy looked nothing like Bucky I have a question for you Why did your friend take off? If he was stoped for driving a atv on the highway without a helmet both by the way are illegal then why did he take off? this is always the response when a cop takes a life why did the guy run? what was he hiding or afraid of? I have been stoped plenty of times I have lived in watts Cal , the inner city of KC and nyc and when I have been stoped by the cops I pull over and stay put untill they release me. If you run then what ever happens its your fault. He may have been the greatest person in the world but he made a mistake in running.
swflagirl

Cantonment, FL

#3 Jun 27, 2006
It's a mentality...

A youngster can possibly be sympathized with for his poor judgement/reasoning when it comes to "taking off" from a cop.

This guy was an adult & paid for his stupidity....unfortunately, those left behind suffer.
LOCAL OBSERVER

Rochester, NY

#4 Jun 27, 2006
WELL I DIDN'T KNOW BRAD HORTON AND I BELIEVE THAT ME AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WHO DIDN'T KNOW HIM ARE MUCH BETTER OFF. ANY MORON WHO ATTEMPTS TO RUN FROM THE POLICE AND WHO HAS NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE HAS TO BE DEALT WITH ACCORDINGLY. APPARENTLY HIS MOMMA, UNCLE AND YOU BILL HAVE BEEN AN INSPERATION IN HIS LIFE & BEHAVIOR. AFTER ALL HE WAS ONLY DRIVING AN UNLICENSED ATV ON A PUBLIC HIGHWAY WITH NO DRIVERS LICENCE WHICH WAS DUE TO A RECENT DWI CONVICTION AND APPARENTLY HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN A POLICE OFFICER TELLS A PERSON TO STOP, DISREGARDS THE ORDER. JUST BECAUSE BRAD HAD BEEN AT A WINE TASTING PARTY THAT DAY AND HIS DIRT BIKE, RIDING BUDDY HAD SOME POT ON HIM, WE SHOULDN'T SUSPECT THAT BRAD MAY HAVE BEEN INTOXICATED OR HIGH. ON THE OTHER HAND IF THE TROOPER HAD BEEN KILL OR SERIOUSLY INJURED AND BRAD HAD ESCAPED I AM SURE YOU WOULD HAVE ALL WEPT AND SENT FLOWERS TO THE TROOPER'S WIDOW. THANK GOD FOR LAWS AND THE STATE TROOPERS
bill wrote:
I knew Brad Horton quite well. He was a stand-up guy who didn't deserve to be shot down by some ignorant state cop, whose name won't even be released. It should be made clear that it is nearly impossible to become entangled in the back of an ATV; therefore, the cop was holding onto the vehicle in hopes of being the hero who caught Bucky Philips. I hope that this manhunt was worth the life of an innocent young person who served his country, was recently married, is a positive character in the village's tight-knit community and will be sadly missed by all who knew him. The idiot who shot him should rot in jail.
Chris

United States

#5 Jun 29, 2006
I am amazed at the insensitivity of some of the people here. To call someome a moron for being shot 5 times in the back by a state trooper, because he was trying to get away, is inhuman. The cop emptied his clip on him. I don't want cops like that roaming the streets. The cop only had to let go of the ATV to avoid injury. What was he thinking? Oh I know..."I got Bucky! And he ain't gettin away from me". The cop murdered an innocent kid. Sure Bradley made a bad descision (trying to avoid getting in trouble), but somehow I don't think execution pays for a moment of stupidity. P.S. Local Observer... you need to get a new keyboard because your "Caps Lock" is stuck and you don't want to be "that guy". Learn some forum etiquette before you call any one a moron.
Joe Bag OF Donut

United States

#6 Jun 30, 2006
And maybe the officer would have been killed if he did not shoot in self defence. Maybe he was snagged on the 4 wheeler, and had no choice but to respond with force as force was being pushed on him. Maybe he was being dragged towards a tree and had to decide who dies, him or the one attemping to kill the officer.I don't care who you are, if you drag a police officer with your vehicle, then there is a chance you will kill him.... you deserve to be shot at, no matter how many times it takes to stop you.
Cyndie

United States

#7 Jun 30, 2006
Dear, LOCAL OBSERVER... Consider it your loss to have not been blessed with the opportunity of knowing Brad Horton. To blatantly classify him as a "moron" shows a severe lack of morals and judgement... Obviously, you take for granted what you do not know for fact. One should remember to live by the golden rule... "Do unto to others as you would have them do unto you." Don't pass judgement when you don't hold the key. It could happen to you... or worse, yours!
WIFE OF A NYS TROOPER

Buffalo, NY

#8 Jul 1, 2006
First of all, this man WAS NOT SHOT 5 times like someone posted here. He was shot twice! People get your facts straight! Everytime something happens regarding the State Police lately, the general public feels a need to jump right in and play Monday morning quarterback without the correct information. Bucky is an escaped confict who shot a cop and the death of this man has nothing to do with him. This Trooper got caught up on the ATV and could not get down because this idiot would not stop for him. This guy knew he was in trouble and his death is his own fault. So suck it up people, these Troopers are here to protect US, yes US!
Justice

Pittsford, NY

#9 Jul 2, 2006
Wife of a NYS trooper - Sadly, you do not have the facts. The autopsy report will become public record, and when it does, you should challenge the honesty/integrity of your informant(s). For the rest of you who are so quick to judge a 25 year old young man who was so respected in the community that people waited in line over two hours to share in the family's grief, I wonder if you would feel differently had you ever met Bradley and his family. Law enforcement is human, can make bad choices, and certainly should not be above the law if excessive force resulting in death of an unarmed citizen is proven.(Why not shoot out the tires?) FACT - this was not a local trooper, he was brought to this county specifically in the hunt for Bucky Phillips who has made a joke of the State Police. Local Observer is quick to point out suspicions of intoxication and then some. Was a toxicology report requested of the trooper by the State Police? If not, how come? If he was "dragged one mile" in fear for his life, why was he released with mere scrapes & bruises subsequently allowing him to finish his shift? I can only hope that we all have a common goal .. demand the facts, seek the truth and then form a fair opinion.(Bill, Chris & Cyndie – you clearly are closer to the reality of the current facts at hand. Thank you for your support and please continue to seek answers.)
WIFE OF A NYS TROOPER

Buffalo, NY

#10 Jul 2, 2006
Sorry! Are you an attorney! Because you sure have a lot of bullshit! I do have ALL of my facts and when everything comes out, this Trooper will be found to have just been doing his job. The general public thinks they know it all. Every little thing the NYSP does, YOU seem to know it all. How could you possibly? Well I'm sorry that a family has lost a love one, this man should haven't been a smart ass and pulled over. We have lost two Troopers this year all due to the lack of respect for law enforcement. Now with the awaiting of the Gov.'s signature, it will become a Felony to evade the police, if someone is seriously injured or killed thanks to Kristi Todeschini, whose husband lost his life due to some punk that thought he could get away from the police. AND ANOTHER THING- I do have all my facts my husband was right there when this happened. So don't tell me I don't. Also, Ralph Phillips has not made a joke of the State Police. Want me to send you some aerial photos of what it is like down there. Are you out there helping them hunt for him, didn't think so. My husband is there and can tell you first hand, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack. But, when they do find him, he will be punished. Hopefully, the tax payers in Chemung County don't have to pay for another trial for someone that shot a Trooper. Hopefully Bucky comes out with a bullet in his head.
Cyndie

United States

#11 Jul 2, 2006
Dear "Wife of a NYS Trooper": With all due respect, if you are, in fact, as close to this investigation and have the specific facts you claim - your spouse would have been the officer that was "dragged" by the ATV, since current public record indicates he was the only officer present when the shots were fired - therefore, ethically, you should refrain from commenting on this or any other site of this nature.

And, Mam, please be aware that the general public does respect our law enforcement. Not just State Troopers, but all law enforcement. We also understand that they too are only human, and they too can make mistakes. And, they too, are not above the law. We understand as well, that it is a very dangerous occupation. However, it is a voluntary choice. If you are as angry and unhappy with your spouse's occupation as your words project, perhaps you should request he change careers.
Justice

Pittsford, NY

#12 Jul 2, 2006
Actually, not only am I a family member, I live in Sheridan, NY and am witnessing the frenzy first hand. I have no further comments in response to the ignorance regarding Bradley's death, as the facts are forthcoming.
Sue

United States

#13 Jul 2, 2006
It frustrates and saddens me that there are people in this world who could be so insensitive to such a senseless death. I can only state that you know nothing of the facts or evidence which will be brought forth with perseverance. If driving off scared (because of a promise he made,) due to no helmet and crossing a rural COUNTRY road illegally on an ATV, is just cause for a (multiple) fatal shooting, we all should be very concerned about that segment of law enforcement that are protecting us and our children. Bradley could have made a different choice, but you better believe, that NYS Trooper (whose identity remains HIDDEN) could have made many other choices as well.
Wife of a NYS Trooper

Geneva, NY

#14 Jul 2, 2006
Well of course you feel that way! Your a family member. It kills me! Anytime something happens like this the family starts whining! Yes-I'm sorry for your loss, but this man SHOULD HAVE stopped when he was being told to do so. PERIOD. It's his own fault he's dead, not the Troopers. This Trooper was doing his job. I'm so sick and tired of the public whining about the police. They seem to know it all! When all comes out, this Trooper will be found to have done his job. His life was in jeopardy. What did you want him to do? Your family member lost his life that day because of his lack of respect for law enforcement. PERIOD! And NO- I'm not unhappy about my husbands career choice. I'm very support and anyone that knows me will tell you the same thing. I don't need to defend him. He has one of the proudest jobs of all.
Cyndie

United States

#15 Jul 2, 2006
No. Fact. I am not a family member. And again, your words imply you are the spouse of the Trooper under investigation. Ethically, you are way out of line. Morally, you are beyond comprehension. You are being blatantly hostile to a grieving family. Your insensitivity to this young man's family goes beyond redemption.

Again, with all due respect. YOU are a member of the "public". Simply being married to, being a family member of, or being an actual police officer does not put you in a separate category. Your words are projecting a different attitude than you attempt to dissuade. If you are "sick and tired" of the public, then you really aren't able to offer positive support to someone that has chosen a career in dealing with the public.

Obviously, this family is grieving and they are frustrated. That is to be expected in a situation of this nature. However, I do not see in the words of this family a direct attack toward the officer.

You should ask yourself this... If you really do not feel the need to defend your spouse, then why do you feel compelled to continue to batter the victim's family with bitterness, callousness, insensitivity and hostility? Then, don't post any further comments. Simply do the right thing (ethically and morally)... If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything.
Rach

Pittsburgh, PA

#16 Jul 2, 2006
I really hope they catch him before someone else that is inisint gets hurt..............
WIFE OF A NYS TROOPER

Buffalo, NY

#17 Jul 2, 2006
First of all, let me make myself clear. My husband is NOT the Trooper that is under investigation. And being married to a police officer, does give me a different insight. We have lost two friends and colleagues with the NYSP this year alone, both Troopers lost their lives due to the lack of respect for law enforcement. Not sure how this kid was brought up, but I'm raising mine to have respect for authority and when a police officer pulls you over, you pull over. You don't flee from them! This is common sense. But if this guy on the ATV wasn't trying to hide anything, he would have done the same thing. He didn't have a simple helmet on, so he was breaking the law. They had probable cause to pull him over and he would not stop. Stop means STOP! He would have walked away with a few minor tickets. That's it! It's called DEADLY FORCE. The Trooper's life was in jeopardy and he had every right to shot this guy and protect his own life. That's part of the job. It will now be a FELONY to evade the police in NYS due to Kristi Todeschini's efforts. Remember her? She was the young 23 yr. pregnant wife of the Trooper in Syracuse who was also pursuing a motorcyclist who would not stop for him. And he lost his life doing so. Everything will come out in this investigation and this Trooper will be found to have just been doing his job. I have total respect for him and what my husband has to face everytime he straps that gun around his waist. I know he chose this profession, but let's face it. Who the hell would want it? I know I couldn't do it!
Sharon

Mineral, VA

#18 Jul 3, 2006
Wife of a NYS Trooper: as the wife of a Law Enforcment Officer you should know better than to comment, especially in the manner you have done so, and publically, showing absolutely no compassion or empathy. If you have truly lost friends you really should know better, and would not have wanted them treated the way you are treating this family.

I am disgusted with the level of disrespect shown here for a family that has just lost a loved one. Where is your compassion folks?
WIFE OF A NYS TROOPER

Buffalo, NY

#19 Jul 3, 2006
Sorry to inform you, but Freedon of Speech. Ever heard of it? We have lost two loved ones from the NYSP the past few months due to people like this, who have NO respect for law enforcement. One was MURDERED and the other one lost his life because some little punk would not STOP for him. These men and women are here to protect US from people like these idiots who think they are above the law and think that they can outrun the police. I will continue to make what ever comments I feel necessary. Thank you!
Chris

United States

#20 Jul 3, 2006
Wife of,
How do you expect people to respect NYSP, when they murder innocent people? Bradley did try to ride away from the cop, but last time I checked, felony or not, evading police was not punishable by death. The cop's job is not to judge a suspect, it is simply to arrest, a.k.a "stop". By shooting Bradly he arrested, judged and executed him in one action. This is entirely unacceptable. I live in Fredonia, and let me tell you, everyone here is terrified. Of Bucky? No! We are terrified of people like your husband. We have over 300 NYSP running around, bored and frustrated, with itchy trigger fingers, looking for a "suspect" in the shooting of a trooper. If troopers want respect, they need to gain it in other ways. Using a gun will never gain you respect, it will only make people fear you. There is a big difference between fear and respect. Fear makes you run, respect breeds cooperation. I these out-of-town cops really want to help, they will stick to finding Bucky and leave the local residents alone.

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