South Carolina GOP Governor Agrees to...

South Carolina GOP Governor Agrees to Divorce

There are 42 comments on the www.nytimes.com story from Jan 10, 2010, titled South Carolina GOP Governor Agrees to Divorce. In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

Gov. Mark Sanford has responded to his wife's divorce petition, admitting he had an affair and asking a judge to approve her request to end their 20-year marriage.

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lily boca raton fl

United States

#22 Jan 11, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> Sarah would be too ambitious to settle for someone on the way down politically. and yet she would not want to "play second fiddle" to some male, either. what a strange role model for women. I approve of her hairdos and her glasses, and many of her lovely clothes, and even of her figure which is not a model for starving oneself, like those horrid harpies (apologies to real harpies whatever they are) ann coulter and laura Ingraham. I am quite comfortable looking at Palin, and do not have to look away in disgust, or feel that I would like to be able to murder her through the tV screen, which is how I feel about Coulter and Liz Cheney. The nicest gOP woman is Peggy Noonan - what a lady and class act!
Always thought Anne Coulter is really a man.
lily boca raton fl

United States

#23 Jan 11, 2010
Jim Trebowski wrote:
<quoted text> I think you're right..it's just that there are some people who want to ban marriage...ridiculous, isn't it?
Yes it is ridiculous. Personally I think marriage is overrated.
lily boca raton fl

United States

#24 Jan 11, 2010
hopeandfaith wrote:
I remember the press conference when he went on and on about the affair...soul mate.....and, then, had the audacity to say he was going to try and fall in love with his wife again. i hope she left for the attorney's office after that statement.
Well, his wife is the one with the cash.(Skil drills)
lily boca raton fl

United States

#25 Jan 11, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, there was a cute movie called divorce Italian Style. I think opposition to divorce and opposition to birth control amount to slavery for women, and legalized rape.
I remember that one with Marcello Mastrioanni! I think you're giving Sanford way too much credit; I think he got some hot latin sex in his middle age and after years of a tired loveless sexless fraud of a marriage; he bailed. People do what is important to them, taking off on Fathers Day and lying means he wanted to get caught so he could get out. Wish them both the best of luck. His wife doesn't need to be with a man who humiliated her in public, she's rich, educated and attractive. Life goes on.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#26 Jan 11, 2010
lily boca raton fl wrote:
<quoted text>I remember that one with Marcello Mastrioanni! I think you're giving Sanford way too much credit; I think he got some hot latin sex in his middle age and after years of a tired loveless sexless fraud of a marriage; he bailed. People do what is important to them, taking off on Fathers Day and lying means he wanted to get caught so he could get out. Wish them both the best of luck. His wife doesn't need to be with a man who humiliated her in public, she's rich, educated and attractive. Life goes on.
well, it depends on what you mean by too much credit. maybe I think some hot latin sex in middle age is better than none, ever, and a tired loveless passionless (though not sexless) fraud of a marriage. personally, I like sublimation and love to watch the hot latin dances, as well as the elegant romantic waltzes, on the dancing shows. do you know th joke about why a certain religious denomination opposes sex? it might lead to slow dancing! If he had just wanted a fling for steady sex, he could have found a floozie in s. c. I bet. He is not ugly, and even Republican women probably have some groupies among them. He spent a lot of time thinking about her, over a long distance, and sending e-mails, so it was not the usual sort of using a female for convenience. I blame him mostly for the stupid timing, and for stopping for a day on the way down to Argentina to hunt birds with an ex-Bush Cabinet Secreatary, and for being so stupid he thought he could be considered for VP even despite the fling. I think he and John Edwards should sit down and have a nice guy talk! but of course, guys don't do that! I am far less opposed to Sanford than to ensign, Gingrich, Guiliani, and McCain, as far as the quality of their adultery is concerned, and even in general. I heard him interviewed, and found him to be almost - dare I use the term - a gentleman and candid and dare I say it - nice. I totally disapprove of his views. But something really annoys me when he gets all the criticism, when Vitter is getting lots of GOP support for re-election, and he went to prostitutes. Of course, he is fat and ugly, and maybe had to! I also saw a clip of Maria as a news reporter, and she looked lovely and intelligent. We do not know much about her - and it is over-simplifying to merely call her a hot Latin. The big three gOP adulterers, Guiliani, Gingrich, and McCain seem to have gotten byh with it, and are on tV as gOP spokesmen. I was glad to see Spitzer on TV today, treated as a human being finally, and an expert on financial corruption. Too bad his horrid mistake in his personal life destroyed him politically, as it did not destroy Vitter. Maybe someone will listen to the content of his comments. Maybe someone will recognize that he was on to some of tthe financial crooks and after them. Maybe someone someday will have some sense about sexual addictions and aberations, and get those guys to a good therapist. and then distinguish between one sort of affair and another - the user and the rather silly romantic, enchanted, passionate lover, are not the same. I regard Clinton as an addict, by the way, and think he needed professional therapy. Personally, I think gorgeous guys belong on TV. as fictional characters, so one is not disenchanted by knowing them personally, or even reading about the actors as real persons in the dumb gossip magazines. not even the truth! Once I was snowed in and read the biography of Warren Beatty - well, it was very snowy! I plead innocent by reason of cabin fever that could not be cured because the car was in deep snow.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#27 Jan 11, 2010
sorry, I am an older female feminist, with a sense of humor about sex, and not a prudish or pornographic attitude. I read Wilhelm Reich and
Alexander Lowen, as well as alan Watts and Robert rimmer, as well as seeing European films like La Notte, L'aventurra, and L'eclipse. and reading Voltaire at l7. I despise obscenity and pornography which makes sex boring or ugly or violent - and night-time TV seems to think that only violent sex is OK. One part of me has been cheering for Sanford as he temporarily and partially freed himself from repression. Have you read Marcuse? do you know the term repressive desublimation? I do not approve of that either. Neither did Marcuse.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#28 Jan 11, 2010
lily boca raton fl wrote:
<quoted text>Always thought Anne Coulter is really a man.
now you are insulting men!
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#29 Jan 11, 2010
lily boca raton fl wrote:
<quoted text>Yes it is ridiculous. Personally I think marriage is overrated.
lily, it is always sort of liberating to converse with you, and I bet I shock everyone else! I just think that prudishness and porn are closely related, and feed off of each other - and folks need to get away from that horrid syndrome. I object to expurgated versions of Dh H. Lawrence books because I suspect they take out the descriptions of scenery and the leftist social economic and political commentary! his objections to the world of coal mining, for example. I like Hardy for the same reasons. i also like their poetry. But my favorites and Fern Hill, by Dylan Thomas, Dover Beach by Matthew Arnold, Sohrab and Rustum, Hiawatha and Evangeline, The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, Abu Ben Adam (Leigh Hunt), the End of the World an J. B.(MacLeish play), and poetry of Stephen (niot Hart) crane, and some of Whitman - noiseless patient spider, I saw (?) in Louisiana a Live Oak Growing (?), the Lincoln poems, especially the long one, and the saddest one with the bird alone, and When I Heard the Learned Astronomer. I also recommend two fun books on psychology by Jean Bolen, based on prototypes from Greek god myths - Gods in Every Man, and Goddesses in Every Woman. I like Hestia and Hermes best. do I ever feel sorry for the prudes and salacious types who come onto this topic hoping for something sizzling! and here I recommend William Cullen Bryant and Edna St. Vincent Millay - rather far from sizzle! Though I still think Beatty sizzles.
lily boca raton fl

United States

#30 Jan 11, 2010
progressive wrote:
sorry, I am an older female feminist, with a sense of humor about sex, and not a prudish or pornographic attitude. I read Wilhelm Reich and
Alexander Lowen, as well as alan Watts and Robert rimmer, as well as seeing European films like La Notte, L'aventurra, and L'eclipse. and reading Voltaire at l7. I despise obscenity and pornography which makes sex boring or ugly or violent - and night-time TV seems to think that only violent sex is OK. One part of me has been cheering for Sanford as he temporarily and partially freed himself from repression. Have you read Marcuse? do you know the term repressive desublimation? I do not approve of that either. Neither did Marcuse.
Americans are very hypocritical about sex. Too much of an overwhelming need and hunger to delve into others private lives. Agree on Vitter,he should be out, I think he had something to do with the murder of the DC Madam, I don't buy the suicide. How can he have any credibility? Diapers? Oh please. Ensign is a a sleaze too, and Larry Craig (toe tapping bathroom freak) should have been out. Elliot Spitzer is a brilliant man whose sexual transgressions were well known for years, however, just have to look into what he was about to expose and then you'll know why he was brought down. Not new that powerful men are often sex addicts.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#31 Jan 11, 2010
lily boca raton fl wrote:
<quoted text>Well, his wife is the one with the cash.(Skil drills)
Yes, his wife will be fine. I feel sorry for the boys, however, and for Edwards kids too, especially now with the nasty gossip in the book about Elizabeth. i really have lost some respect for Mark Halperin - a gossip columnist, or what? How far we have declined from Dan Schorr, Peter Jennings, Eric Severeid - though I loved the commentary on dogs by Schieffer on Face the Nation on Sunday. He said what would we be like if we were more like dogs. it was very cute. I am a cat and dog lover - and save strays and feed them. lucky them, poor ($) me! I watched a darling australian film called Napoleon (a liggle putty very brave in a forest and wild places) on Sunday. also shaggy Dog recntly. also saw legally blonde 2 - the one about animal rights. I care about that a lot!
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#32 Jan 11, 2010
liggle putty obviously was typo for little puppy. P S I hope Jim forgives us for being so liberated in our views. I still like him on most political matters!
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#33 Jan 11, 2010
lily boca raton fl wrote:
<quoted text>Americans are very hypocritical about sex. Too much of an overwhelming need and hunger to delve into others private lives. Agree on Vitter,he should be out, I think he had something to do with the murder of the DC Madam, I don't buy the suicide. How can he have any credibility? Diapers? Oh please. Ensign is a a sleaze too, and Larry Craig (toe tapping bathroom freak) should have been out. Elliot Spitzer is a brilliant man whose sexual transgressions were well known for years, however, just have to look into what he was about to expose and then you'll know why he was brought down. Not new that powerful men are often sex addicts.
Not new that they are given plenty of opportunity by idiot females who think they are alpha males and go after them. uk Kissinger! Yuk Nelson rockefeller! i knew cuter elevator operators - though was very well behaved, other than looking! I like the Montgomery Clift type, and the James Dean type, and know enough not to want one like that in real life! Michael Zaslow or Peter Simon, maybe - I miss them terribly.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#34 Jan 11, 2010
re Spitzer - yes I think he knew stuff and had records about stuff. Did you hear the rumor that much of the evidence was stored in Building 7 in new York? Would I ever like to know whether that was true! I heard a report on why that building collapsed. My opinion of conspiracy theories is that government has its versions, and there are alternative versions, and I believe none of them. I just have questions and like folks who have questions. though not the idiot birthers, since the answers are clearly in the Hawaii newspapers in birth announcements, and birthers, like so many right-wing types (though not all!) are motivated by racism and hatred. Bravo Mike Castle - and even McCain - though he only mildly objected and did not repudiate the ultra-right wing, but courted it with Palin. i guess I'd like him better if he wanted to leer at her, rather than to endorse her political views! or maybe he bought into the reformer and maverick label. I don't thin there was time to adequately vet her. If they had seen the Wasslila videos of her getting blessed by a witch hunter (self-proclaimed) and two other minsiters, with the laying on of hands and prayers for God to bring down upon her money and power and to protect her from witchcraft - what would McCain and his handlers have thought then? probably oh, good, that will really appeal to a lot of americans? or oh good, she lets you get your hands on her - sorry! google: Sarah Palin Church Witch, and you'll see why I am so snitty about it! also see the video of her in summer of 2008, talking about how important that event was in her life!
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#35 Jan 11, 2010
hope to hear more from lily - others can disregard my comments if they are too wild or too tame for you! I have to go feed a cat, elsewhere. another saved stray. I must say that I make friends with people of many different viewpoints, based on a shared compassion for animals in difficulty, and I am glad to have that bond. I find that tie outeighs even political or religious agreement at times - I was astonished to find people I hate on politics being equally outraged at Michael Vicks and wanting to send him to hell (metaphorically speaking) as fiercely as I do. of course, a few might be racists - but i think most were since in their outrage about animal abuse. one reason not to have an over-arching ideology and loyalty to one group - one finds different alliances on different matters, and should not refuse or repudiate allies who sincerely agree on a particular important subject. I don't see why extreme feminists and extreme prudes do not equally - and even cooperatively -work against porn, exploitation of women and girls etc.
lily boca raton fl

United States

#37 Jan 11, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> now you are insulting men!
wasn't intended
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#39 Jan 11, 2010
lily boca raton fl wrote:
<quoted text>wasn't intended
I was teasing you - though it was true, to some extent. I am not a feminist who thinks men are nearly all less empathetic than most women. Lots of women are anti-feminist. Coulter seems to be against everything that is decent.
Barbara

Rockport, MA

#40 Jan 11, 2010
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> Hi - are you the same Barbara I usually like - but I thought had another town name? but in Mass. is it true that martha Coakley is getting a closer contest than she expected? she had better run hard, she was not entitled to the nomination only to take election for granted. I like the way you replied to Jim - lead him gently away from the nonsense idea that what he wants for himself he has a right to impose on anyone else. He certainly is not a libertarian!
Usually like?? I am crushed! Yes, I am the same. My ISP keeps changing on its own. Sometimes I'm in NH ... but it reflects that, also. The race has a 15% margin. I agree, she better run hard. Anyone who runs for office should.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#41 Jan 11, 2010
lily boca raton fl wrote:
<quoted text>Americans are very hypocritical about sex. Too much of an overwhelming need and hunger to delve into others private lives. Agree on Vitter,he should be out, I think he had something to do with the murder of the DC Madam, I don't buy the suicide. How can he have any credibility? Diapers? Oh please. Ensign is a a sleaze too, and Larry Craig (toe tapping bathroom freak) should have been out. Elliot Spitzer is a brilliant man whose sexual transgressions were well known for years, however, just have to look into what he was about to expose and then you'll know why he was brought down. Not new that powerful men are often sex addicts.
I reread this, and saw what I had ignored before - the details and suspicions about Vitter. He is too wimpy to be involved in murder, I think. Even Gary Condit was not guilty, and he was suspected for a long time, in the murder of that poor stupid intern with the bad taste in men - the other one, I mean! I did not know about the diapers thing. Is it documented? ordinarily I would not want to know, but is there anything that could show what sort of guy he is, in the campaign for his re-election? I am ready to seriously propose that the Democrats nominate the nice young asian-american Republican who was elected to replace Jefferson, for the Senate, and take back the House seat with a good Democrat. Maybe the guy would vote with the Democratic majority in the Senate sometimes, as an independent, sort of like Lieberman. What a slap in the face it would be to Republicans, if Democrats dared to do that, and won! After all, lots of bad Democrats in Louisiana switched parties to the GOP - most notably Billy Tauzin. Turnabout is fair play.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#42 Jan 11, 2010
I wanted Democrats to nominate Hagel in Nebraska, for the Senate, at least (if not VP!) when he was taking his time dithering about whether to run fior the Senate or for President or retire. I sort of think his delay was caused by his reluctance to make the decision he knew he had to - to protect his family from the dangerous nut-cases who were probably already beginning to threaten him - folks like Cheney, for example! At the very least, he would have had a primary contest, with all the right-wing nuts supporting his opponent. He should be OK now, at the Atlantic Council. Though I wish he were advising Obama on foreign policy on a regular basis - I think and hope that he is from time to time, on special issues, such as long-term policy toward Russia. I wish Jim Leach were doing that also. I heard the two book-writers, Halperin and friend, say today that Hillary was hawkish on foreign policy. Madeleine Albright was too, when she was Sec. of state. I know I am off-topic, but I have an interesting friend on here, and we need to have a more wide-raning discussion sometime. sort of loosely connected by being feminist issues.
progressive

Lamoni, IA

#43 Jan 11, 2010
Barbara wrote:
<quoted text>Usually like?? I am crushed! Yes, I am the same. My ISP keeps changing on its own. Sometimes I'm in NH ... but it reflects that, also. The race has a 15% margin. I agree, she better run hard. Anyone who runs for office should.
I always like and usually agree with, is that better? I do not want to endorse all the comments of a person no matter how much I usually agree with that person's general attitudes. sorry I phrased it badly, even if you were kidding about being crushed! I do reserve the right to quibble with friends and allies on small details!

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