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Since: Jan 07

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#1 Nov 19, 2010
Our schools struggle to pass the No Child Left Behind tests. A few ideas;
• Do away with the state tests. Ever wonder what's the total cost of the tests? A full time administrator, a full time secretary, the lost instructional time in prepping for the tests, etc. And that's just at the local level. How many $ millions does it cost the state, at a time of budget crisis?

• Or, hire even more central administrators with doctorates and masters degrees at $100,000 per comfy leather chair and office ... if the ones we have are so valuable to the education of the kids, then certainly more would be better right? Sure seems to be the thinking over the last 20 yrs.

• Or, scrap the tests and scrap the worthless expensive bureaucracy and give the time back to the teachers and let them do their jobs the way they were trained in college. They are required to get Master's degrees .. leave them alone to do the jobs they were highly trained to do.
Smith

Baltimore, MD

#2 Nov 19, 2010
Eat it.
cecilme

Port Deposit, MD

#3 Nov 20, 2010
What happened to passing the grade if you 'make the grade'? I would rather see kids that can read and write graduate. If they can't, keep them in school until they can.

Since: Jan 07

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#4 Nov 22, 2010
cecil kids get a 50% score on tests / quizes even if left blank.... orderes are, 50% is lowest score a teacher can give.

Too much time is spent teaching to the test, not enough time is left to teach for what they need in life. It's just not working

Since: Jul 10

Everytown USA

#5 Nov 22, 2010
As I understand it, Gary, a great step to fixing our schools and contributing to mentally healthier kids was getting rid of you and, in the future, other loser teachers.

You didn't get it then and you still don't.

Since: Jan 07

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#6 Nov 23, 2010
It seems all those doctorates and masters degrees sitting at Booth St aren't getting CCPS to AYP. KIds in class rooms are spending more time prepping for tests and learning to parrot specific methods than learning content.
How's all those suits in offices working out for ya?

Nearly 200 central office personel really needed? Nah, not really.

Since: Jan 07

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#7 Nov 23, 2010
Cecilian wrote:
As I understand it, Gary, a great step to fixing our schools and contributing to mentally healthier kids was getting rid of you and, in the future, other loser teachers.
You didn't get it then and you still don't.
As you understand it ... well, from your puerile ad hominem attacks, I'd say you understand little of value or importance. Nor do you have any argument for an excess of overpaid bureaucrats.
If there are 'loser teachers', that is an issue taken up with the supervisors, principals, assistant principals, directors, facilitators, coordinators,superintendents, ad nausium. If there is improvements to be made, surely all those highly paid officials with doctorates and master's degrees in education can implement positive changes! Since Cecil Co pays 2 Executive Directors for Elementary and Middle School ed., an Instructional Coordinator of testing,(plus a secretary for same) Coord of Alt Ed,(?)
2 Coord of English and Language Arts, Instructional Coordinator (?), etc, surely there is plenty of help, advice and expertise that there shouldn't be any "loser teachers", right?

Face it. Booth St is bloated with holders of meaningless degrees who add nothing to the daily education of our children. As the budget tightens, I hope the citizenry awakes to the misdirection of funds meant for the education of our children.
Peace.

Since: Jan 07

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#8 Nov 23, 2010
.... of there ARE improvements ..... my bad.

Since: Oct 10

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#9 Nov 23, 2010
ActiveForPeace wrote:
As always, plenty of things to say but no action to speak of.
You clearly hate CCPS (or at least the way it's run) but only spout off on here and on your ill-conceived Facebook site.

Is it really just so we'll argue with you or do you plan on actually doing something, ever!

Since: Jan 07

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#10 Nov 23, 2010
I wish I could remove most of the unneeded bureaucracy at Booth St., and use the funds for the kids. Do you feel we need a 'Director of Strategic Planning' and a "Instructional Coordinator' and a "Food services area manager" AND a County Manager of Food services'? etc ...

have you looked thru the list of postions at central admin at CCPS?

are you aware the teachers are scrimping by on slashed budgets while unneeded central admin cost Cecil co about $100K per?

Since: Oct 10

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#11 Nov 23, 2010
ActiveForPeace wrote:
I wish I could remove most of the unneeded bureaucracy at Booth St., and use the funds for the kids. Do you feel we need a 'Director of Strategic Planning' and a "Instructional Coordinator' and a "Food services area manager" AND a County Manager of Food services'? etc ...
have you looked thru the list of postions at central admin at CCPS?
are you aware the teachers are scrimping by on slashed budgets while unneeded central admin cost Cecil co about $100K per?
For the upteenth time on these boards...YES I have looked at the list and YES there are unnecessary posts being used. Unlike you, I actually actively participate in actual meetings and try to do something about these isseus...what (again!) do you do besides whine on here and at Facebook?

Since: Jan 07

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#12 Nov 24, 2010
So we agree there are problems. We both do what we can. Perhaps the best I can do is try to get the word out, affect some apathetic parents, keep the issue in the fore.'The pen is mightier than the sword' idea.

I don't get why it bothers you so. I just want better for kids. You seem to be the whiner here. I am unemotional, simply stating some facts, not attacking anyone personally. You however seem to make it your mission to personally attack me .. what good does that do? It just makes you look foolish.

Since: Oct 10

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#13 Nov 24, 2010
ActiveForPeace wrote:
So we agree there are problems. We both do what we can. Perhaps the best I can do is try to get the word out, affect some apathetic parents, keep the issue in the fore.'The pen is mightier than the sword' idea.
I don't get why it bothers you so. I just want better for kids. You seem to be the whiner here. I am unemotional, simply stating some facts, not attacking anyone personally. You however seem to make it your mission to personally attack me .. what good does that do? It just makes you look foolish.
The "word" is out. This topic is discussed at 90% of the school-related meetings I attend. We also know that we must get the other work of the schools done as well. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

You are not unemotional - perhaps you are in this incarnation - but you have not presented anything other than repetitive complaints about the same series of issues over the past months.

It's just gotten old!
Get a Grip

Neavitt, MD

#14 Nov 24, 2010
Active:
You are not simply stating “facts”, you are stating your opinion. You question the legitimacy of these positions because you have no idea what it takes to run a $180 million organization.

If you did look at the facts, you would recognize the progress our schools have made over the past 10-15 years and be proud you played a part in that progress. Your criticisms have nothing to do with “the kids”. They are purely personal.

Since: Jan 07

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#15 Nov 24, 2010
get a grip .. Get a Grip! Everyone knows there are old farts, way past their prime, hanging on at top $ that the board doesn't know what to do with. And the teachers are told to do with so little. Teachers teach a canned curriculum, principals make sure they work. What's an "instructional coord" do? Why 2 L.A. Coords? Two admin running the tech department .. an old fart that should have gone yrs ago, and a young buck that knows the technical and the ed side. Why?

Full time Instructional Coord for Testing? Why? With a full time sec. Why?

Coord for Alt ed. Why?

Three payroll clerks?

Director of Strategic Planning? WTF?

Application Developer.?

Can you tell me what these folk do?

Two food service mngrs.. one for 'area' and one for 'county'??

Since: Jan 07

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#16 Nov 24, 2010
Oh, and since I am a tax payer in the county I am entitled to an opinion and I don't think it unreasonable to ask what these folks do for my tax dollars. Or is that too much to ask? God knows CCPS hates to be questioned about anything.

Just seems with all expertise things should be better... all schools should be making AYP. Is there still a central admin for Baldrige, even tho that 's been forgotten? What's the latest waste-o-money miracle program? Is G.W. still running the math program into the ground? "If kids don't get it, just move on", she said.

Kids with 75IQ sitting in middle school pre algebra who can't make change for a dollar. Eighth grade honor's kids who don't know their multiplication facts and have no clue how to do long division? But then, you don't want to teach them too much in middle school, or what will they do in high school, right?

And thanks for reading my posts.:)
cecilme

Port Deposit, MD

#17 Nov 24, 2010
What about kids sitting in a classroom that are getting grades above the other kids?....they are bored and being held back because of the rest of the class. There should be a way to separate the ones that achieve (so they can move on) and the ones that under achieve (so they can get more specialized help).
CCPS not about kids

Ambler, PA

#18 Nov 25, 2010
The only way to separate those who want to learn from those who do not is to provide everyone a voucher for education. Provide children the freedom to learn by giving them the freedom to choose something other than a failed public school system. Being forced to attend a failed public school is hell on earth for most students.

CCPS is all about the 180 million and padding your pension. I don't understand how anyone believes CCPS is for the kids unless they are totally uninformed.

If you think you can fix CCPS I guess you also believe Cuba can be fixed too. We don't live in the 1950's Lucy. That public school model is dead and its time to put it to rest.

Stop fooling yourself into thinking CCPS can be fixed. Over 180 million hasn't fixed anything, its only made failure more expensive.
Get a Grip

Macomb, MI

#19 Nov 25, 2010
There is...it's called "gifted and talented", also honors and AP classes. There are plenty of opportunities for high school students to take college credit courses.

Again I say you don't know squat about how to run a $180 million organization. The only thing wrong with CCPS is they employ some people like you....ineffective teachers working there for thirty years, constantly criticizing, not motvated.
CCPS not about kids

Ambler, PA

#20 Dec 1, 2010
You don't have to be a good teacher to be a teacher in CCPS for thirty years.

All one needs to realize CCPS is a failure is to think about what Get a Grip wrote above, "There are plenty of opportunities for high school students to take college credit courses" Yea, its called college not high school. Give the kids a voucher so they can take a real college course and not some bs imitation.

These gifted and talented and AP course are a rouse. If the kids are ready for college, free them to go to college and stop playing games with their lives.

The only thing you need to run a $180 million dollar crime organization is a criminal mind which is why Democrats seem like a natural fit for such things.

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