Carroll County citizens hope Governor will stop sewer district

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A group of Carroll County residents hopes the governor will step in and stop a sewer district from including more than 1,000 homes around Lake Freeman.
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Jay Smith

Lafayette, IN

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#21
Sep 19, 2008
 
I empathize with the residents away from the lakes who were caught under the TLRSD net. Perhaps their hook-up should have been delayed until their property is sold someday, even if that drives up my cost. On the other hand, there's been a noticeable improvement in the lake water since the White County side connected. The recent e coli studies substantiate our personal observations. Many of us have made substantial investments in lake property which are only enhanced by the civilized approach to sewage treatment. Also, there's value in the land we gain that's now useable where our septic fields reside. Further development will occur because of TLRSD which will increase the Jefferson Twp and Carroll Co tax receipts, a county which is otherwise dying on the vine. While the opponents are championing citizens' rights, please be sure not to disrupt the rights of those who favor the TLRSD. I would imagine the Wabash & Erie Canal drew similar ire as it cut its swath across various landowners. Now, Carroll Co and others worship its place in history. I bet 100 years from now the TLRSD (and the Hoosier Heartland Hwy) will be revered as even more progressive and insightful than the Canal.
Jay Smith

Lafayette, IN

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#22
Sep 19, 2008
 
I'm from the Carroll Co side of Lake Freeman, not Brookston as the previous post states...
Cristie Burtz

Circleville, OH

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#23
Sep 19, 2008
 
I would like to comment about what Jay Smith had to say. I understand the need to clean up the lake. However, that should be up to the people who are polluting the lake. There is no reason that the financial burden should be placed on the people that do not live on the lake and who have a legal, working septic field on their property. If a person's septic is not harming the environment in anyway they should not have to pay to fix the problems of others!
Jay Smith wrote:
I empathize with the residents away from the lakes who were caught under the TLRSD net. Perhaps their hook-up should have been delayed until their property is sold someday, even if that drives up my cost. On the other hand, there's been a noticeable improvement in the lake water since the White County side connected. The recent e coli studies substantiate our personal observations. Many of us have made substantial investments in lake property which are only enhanced by the civilized approach to sewage treatment. Also, there's value in the land we gain that's now useable where our septic fields reside. Further development will occur because of TLRSD which will increase the Jefferson Twp and Carroll Co tax receipts, a county which is otherwise dying on the vine. While the opponents are championing citizens' rights, please be sure not to disrupt the rights of those who favor the TLRSD. I would imagine the Wabash & Erie Canal drew similar ire as it cut its swath across various landowners. Now, Carroll Co and others worship its place in history. I bet 100 years from now the TLRSD (and the Hoosier Heartland Hwy) will be revered as even more progressive and insightful than the Canal.
Pat Robertson

Monticello, IN

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#24
Sep 19, 2008
 
I believe we all know who had built over their septic system and therefore needed some one to come to their rescue.

I agree with Cristie Burtz, the people away from the lake should not have to pay for someone else's stupidity.

Another point I would like to stress is, the e-coli count in Lake Freeman has consistantly been lower than in Lake Shafer, I agree with Tom S. who stated in the paper some months back, if they would test the lake instead of the streams entering the lake(after a rain) they would find far less to be concerned about. I also believe the majority of the folks involved in this situation are not worrying about how they can sell their homes to developers, they are worrying about how they are going to be able to stay in the home that they have worked for.
Pat Robertson

Monticello, IN

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#25
Sep 19, 2008
 
I want to clairfy the statement I made earlier, I do not know Jay Smith and to my knowledge he is NOT the one who built over the septic system. I just want to make that clear.

I will make another comment however, when he says that it will build the tax base in Carroll Co., I would ask how that will be accomplished, because the majority of the taxes paid in Jefferson Township go to White County schools.

To you Jay, I offer my apology if my post caused you any concern. You have a right to your opinion as I do.
Danna Fischer

Delphi, IN

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#26
Sep 19, 2008
 
We purchased our home In August of 2007. We know nothing of the TLRSD until September when we received a bill, With a past do amount. I called TLRSD and was told I had no choice but to connect, I told them my home was less than 5 years old along with my septic. Again I was told I have know choice but to connect. Now in this artical i'm reading that there was options they choose not to tell me about. I went to the web site after reading this and its my understanding I had 60 days from receiving a notice they were hooking my property to send a writen request for exemption. Hard to do when I did not own it at the time, and the first thing a heard of them is a BILL in the mail. It seems funny how they will now tell people about the possible exemption after the fact. Again TLRSD at its finest.
Harlow

Chicago, IL

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#27
Sep 19, 2008
 
Our family owns a cottage next to Pearsons Marina and would like to have city sewer but we can't afford it at $65/mo. This does not include water as we have well water. This is too expensive and there is no regulation on future cost. We believe it should be metered at a reasnonable cost.

Since: Sep 08

Monticello

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#28
Sep 20, 2008
 
It’s a sad thing when you start to feel like an outsider in your own home. I mean you start losing your rights as a citizen of a country you love, a country and way of life that you’ve always had confidence in, well, it makes you feel lost.
You begin to wonder; “Who has my back?”. Where do you turn? Is it going to be every man for himself? Is that where our society is heading? I know that in history there were times like that. I thought we had progressed beyond that way of life. But maybe to preserve our rights and freedom we’re going to have to revert to those “old times” of “hunkering down”,“circling the wagons” and doing whatever it takes to defend ourselves. Our forefathers defended their property and ideals with great courage and created the start of something very special and unique in human history known as the “American Experiment”. Far be it from me to let them down now. I am not ready to let the experiment come to an end. I do not want the legacy of this generation to be that of “The ones who let freedom die”.
For those of you who are not affected by a regional sewer district at this time, you may find my statement to be a little over the top, but believe me it is how a lot of citizens of Jefferson twp., in Carroll co. feel right now. We have had our rights and freedoms trampled on, we have been insulted, ignored and threatened by the “Twin Lakes Regional Sewer District”, we have been made to feel like less than a citizen of a free country.
I have not signed the easement that the TLRSD has frightened a lot of people into signing. I never intend to hook into their sewer and I have not made any payments to them, and just like many others that are standing up for their freedom, they (TLRSD) have put a lien on my property.
To all Free citizens who read these words: Do you have my back?
CONCERNED

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#29
Sep 20, 2008
 
IS THE DREDGE STIRING UP PCBS AND POLLUTANTS FROM THE LAKE BOTTOM.
A STUDY NEEDS DONE TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM IS WASTE GOING IN A SPECIAL LANDFILL? CLOSE THE LAKE UNTIL IT IS SAFE. AND TESTED
Mary Bowen

Park Ridge, IL

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#30
Sep 21, 2008
 
My concern about the TLRSD forcing those of us who have legal septic systems that were installed to the letter of the law--so now those who do not have a legal septic system and did not have enough land to even try to install a septic system I am expected to pay for other's mistakes.$32.50 a month for nothing then when have to hook up the cost will be $65 per month plus many dollars to destroy my system is not feasible for me. I too had a lien placed on my property--this is supposed to be the land of the free--where people are to have a choice. I live on two acres--had the health department inspect my system--NOT polluting. An IDEM officer told me to my face that my septic system is causing no problem--TLRSD wants me to hook up for revenue. Not only am I on a fixed income but am paying over $6000 a month because my husband (World WarII veteran) had a brain tumor removed in 2006--surgery a success however later in the day he suffered a stroke leaving him totally helpless--on a feeding tube as well. Our combined Social Security allotments do NOT pay the monthly expense of maintainin our home so to add this exorbinate fee for the TLRSD sewer will make matters worse. How am I supposed to survive? I have written to TLRSD asking to be excluded but they just said I have to hook up. The TLRSD has not followed the IDEM rules and the Governor has not answered the questions of many Carroll County citizens. Money seems to be the object and disregard for our rights.
Mary Bowen

Park Ridge, IL

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#31
Sep 21, 2008
 
I hope my letter will be posted this time--this is my second attempt to be heard. I've written to the Governor, Attorney General, Sen. Hershman, Rep. McClain, Lehe, Klinker, Gutwien--also Rep. Donnelly, Sen. Lugar, Bayh, Rep. Buyer. Letting the regional sewer districts write their own rules and bending the IDEM rules needs to be corrected. We are in a depression nation wide, utlilities are sky rocketing, and of course gas prices out of sight. This presents more than a problem in my case and I'm sure there are others who are in a simular situation. GOVERNOR DANIELS: PLEASE DISSOLVE THE TLRSD IN JEFFERSON TOWNSHIP, CARROLL COUNTY!
Dieter Hantschel

Monticello, IN

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#32
Sep 21, 2008
 
All the very valid reasons to stop and to evict Twin Lakes Regional Sewer District (TLRSD) from Carroll County have already been articulated very aptly by the other writers.
It is a real shame that in this day and age, in these United States, there still exists the mentality of King George (see 200 plus years ago). TLRSD demonstrates not only the King's disgust with the wishes of citizens to determine their own destiny. TLRSD has also done a "fast forward" to the dictatorial, brutal ways of the now defunct Soviet Union. TLRSD deserves the same fate.
The next thing I envision is that TLRSD will find a clause in the absurdly written Indiana Laws and will send non-cooperating citizens into some sort of Siberian Gulag. The way these TLRSD functionaries have been acting the last few years, this probability might not be too far fetched.
In addition to the confiscatory actions of TLRSD there is also the consideration of pollution. On one hand we read about all the noble efforts to clean up the Wabash River and we wring our hands over the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico, yet our very own Indiana Dept. of Environmental (Mis)Management (IDEM) permits TLRSD to dump the equivalent of TWO pickup truck loads of "biological solids" into a 6 inch deep creek WEEKLY!! That creek is a tributary of the Wabash! At the same time, IDEM's sister agency, the Dept. of Natural Resources (DNR), cautions me not to blow grass clippings into the creeks for fear of hurting the aquatic life. Duh!!!
Indeed, the Governor and the legislators ought to get out of Indianapolis a few times and see what TLRSD is doing to us, the Free Citizens who are oppressed by an unelected tyrant, the Twin Lakes Regional Sewer District.
WLFI is cordially invited to produce a documentary of the devastation already visited upon our yards, roads and our creeks, as well as our bank accounts and our liberties, freedom and happiness.
Martin Welsh

United States

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#33
Sep 22, 2008
 
I am an ARMY RESERVE soldier who was mobilized to FT. Benning for a year and when I returned home I found out that I am being forced to hook up to the sewer. My septic tank is less than 5 yrs. old and in perfect working order.
I may be getting deployed overseas in march and am afraid to see what will happen while I am gone.
I have a lean on my house and with times being as they are will I have a home to come back to?
This is all due to our rights being overlooked and denied for a few peoples greed. If I were to think like that I wouldn't be defending the rights of all americans!
Vaughn Norton

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#34
Jun 4, 2009
 
Pat Robertson wrote:
A county gov. has territorial rights over their county, it's citizens have a voice in their government, by way of the American privledge of voting on the issues.
Without public notice in 2000, and with no input into the process, the citizens of Jefferson township had their territorial rights stripped away - given to an entity of another county, the TLRSD now has territorial rights to this area and the citizens rights to govern themselves has been stripped away.
These citizens have no voice in their future - they are controlled by an "Goverment entity" with an appointed board, called the TLRSD, that dictates to them what they can and can not do with their property.
Bill Brown,(Carroll Co. Commissioner's president in 2005) publically appeared before the board of the TLRSD with a Resolution passed by the Commissioners, in an attempt to correct this situation and was ignored.
IDEM has oversight of RSD's in Indiana - prior to any construction in our county, we (the citizens) and our county officials wrote to IDEM and Gov. Daniels, asking that they enforce IC 13-26-6-4 and dissolve the TLRSD in our county as it was determined by our county officials that the project was not economically feasible, fair or reasonable - we have been ignored.
I will quote Commissioner Brown: "No citizen of Indiana should be treated by their government as these people have been treated by the Twin Lakes Regional Sewer District."
norton
Vaughn Norton

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#35
Jun 4, 2009
 
We are a small town in northeast Indiana. We are suffering the same thing and are fighting to stop the Steuben County Regional Waste District from forcing us to be their "customers". Our town council (3 members) has not allowed us one single vote or say in this matter. We continually receive threatening letters from the SLRWD in reference to their autority and eminent domain and they are going to just go ahead and do whatever they want to. Recently they sent notice to all of us who have not signed the easements and advised us that we had 15 days (until June 15th) to sign and return the easement paperwork or they would begin court proceedings against us. We are a small town 341 population. Mostly retired and low income. We are heartend to hear that we are not alone. If you have any advice, or their is anything that we can do to help fight this Nazi gestapo organization please contact me.

Sincerely,
Vaughn Norton
PO Box #9
Orland, In 46776
Nvnor@aol.com

Working with the Orland Defense Fund in the same way as your Free Jefferson Township Citizens.
River rat

West Lafayette, IN

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#36
Jun 7, 2009
 
You've been sending your sewage down stream to us for years,,It's time to clean up your county. I dont care if everyone in your county gets a bill, just clean it up..
Vaughn Norton

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#37
Jun 7, 2009
 
The SLRWD's attempt to take over the Town of Orland has been delayed by 2 lawsuits and a pending investigation by the USDA Office of Inspector General. If the USDA can see what is going on here hopefully they will not issue the loan/grant that the SLRWD needs to start the project.
Vaughn Norton

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#38
Sep 8, 2009
 
I am hoping that this site is still active. Today's local paper has an article by Pat Robertson in reference to a meeting at the Statehouse on Septembery 22. We have lost our battle with the Steuben Lakes Regional Wast District and they are starting construction in our town, Orland, IN. Majority of us feel as most of you do. This was forced upon us without any representation or due process. I have been trying to get in contact with Pat Robertson for more information on this meeting. We are hoping to gather a bunch of people to attend. If anyone reads this please contact me.
the man

Coldwater, MI

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#39
Dec 29, 2009
 
we all know how corupt the leaders of white and souronding co really are. one person on the board is a former croupt cop who was termnated from his job for after commiting both a state and federal crime. wonderful people they pick to run this thing.
screw tlrsb

Coldwater, MI

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#40
Dec 30, 2009
 
update from the town of buffalo. the tlrsd held a last min meeting this past monday and decided to run the sewer into part that was not included in the org design the thing i find odd is where it stops the houses with high value and incomes higher then 30,000 a yr are not included in this area. its only the homes of the elderly on fixed incomes and hard working people struggleing to make it. what ive seen with all this is the county wants to take the homes and land of the common man and sell them at auction to the realastate developer that is currently bulilding condos and town houses on the lake so they can build more half a million dollar homes and try to turn the towns in to towns like vail and aspen co. more taxes rich people = more money in the pockets of the local county councel members and county officials. you have been warrned as what is really going to happen the restt is up to you to stop. if we all pull together we can and will stop this.

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