Man Fatally Shot By Police Near Oxfor...

Man Fatally Shot By Police Near Oxford Valley Mall

There are 66 comments on the Cbs3.com story from Apr 24, 2009, titled Man Fatally Shot By Police Near Oxford Valley Mall. In it, Cbs3.com reports that:

Apr 24, 2009 11:57 pm US/Eastern LANGHORNE, Pa. The shooting happened at about 8:00 p.m. in a back parking lot of the Oxford Valley Mall in Langhorne.

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Anonymous

Wilmington, DE

#1 Apr 25, 2009
This incident was taken way too far. The young man, approximately 20-23 years of age brutally attacked a juvenille girl (about 17 years of age). This young man should have been apprehended and taken into custody to stand before a jury, and have justice served to the young lady whom he attacked. Instead, he tried to flea (young people are not very smart), he picked up a rock, and then was shot at least, but apparently more than, 6 times in the chest by a police officer. This is abuse of authority and it makes me sick. An eye for an eye does NOT equal a rock for a gun. This is ridiculous, and something needs to be done about it. Not but about 3 weeks ago there an incidient similar, where an older man (paralyzed completely on his right side) was driving recklessly, and using threatening words and "supposedly" having a knife in his hand (while still belted in his car)the cop shot and killed him. Its time these authorities did there job right, there job is not to kill people, its to keep social order. I am appauled to live in a county (Bucks) where this happens, it is DISGUSTING.
Lexi

Bristol, PA

#2 Apr 25, 2009
I so agree with everything that was said in the first post. This incident was so out of control. The cop should not have been so quick to pull the gun out. I was there and I watched the whole incident unfold. The female he attacked is one of my friends and I saw the man run into the woods. This should of not been taken as far as it was.
Perplexed

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Apr 26, 2009
I agree with the 2 posts above.

Nowadays, cops think they are gods. They act irrationally and think they can get away with it.

I had the displeasure of interacting with one of these Middletown township cops when my family was involved in an accident. Not only was this cop insensitive and VERY rude (he was restraining me from going to the scene of the accident because he claimed that I was "African American" and the family in the car was "Caucaisan" so "we could not be related" even after I gave him detailed information about the vehicle and who it was registered to(Did he seriously think i was there for an excursion?). Eventually after about 8 minutes of arguing (when i could have been by my family's side)and of him threatening to arrest me for trespassing, he found he was wrong and let me through to be with my daughter. I admit he called a few times to apologise and ask about the family but, it was too late- i already felt like a third rate citizen

Anyway, some of these cops think that they know EVERYTHING and that they can treat people like S**t jut because they are cops. It's sickening that they would fatally shoot a "suspect" with a "rock or brick". What was he going to do with the rock, hurl it at them? This is very very sad. I thought all the training was for them to be able to shoot to disarm not just kill (especially in instances where the person does not have a "weapon" - yea, a piece of rock is NOT a weapon). I hope the cop who did this gets punished or better yet, gets dimissed. We need cops who protect the community not cops who think they are the law and they can manhandle or kill whoever they want (guilty as they may be) and go on willy-nilly about their lives while their victims' families suffer. WE NEED CHANGE. NOW.
Big Large Black Lady

Perkasie, PA

#4 Apr 26, 2009
I just wants to know 1 thing. Was the person shot Black or a Cracker? We all knows a trigger happy cracker cop is gonna unload a round in a black person.
Big Large Black Lady

Reading, PA

#5 Apr 26, 2009
I just looked it up. Thomas Lovett Jr was a rich white boy who was beating the head of a 17 year old girl off the cement at the mall. Then cops came and he ran into the woods. The cops chased him and Thomas Lovett picked up a brick and charged the police oficer and he ended up with a cap in his cracker butt.
Mary

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Apr 27, 2009
I agree with every word you wrote. I am not adressing this incident specifically because I don't have all the facts but in general the MTPD is out of control and has been for years. They are equal-opportunity abusers too. They don't care if you're black, white, old, young, male or female. Any citizen who crosses their path is fair game. I know for a fact complaints were made repeatedly over the years to the now-retired Chief and each and every one was blown off. Maybe now the DA will finally get involved and do something about this dep't. How unfortunate that one of the few truly good ones (Detective Jones who was an incredible gentleman and human being and a caring officer)is no longer with us. That dep't should hold him up as an example of how to be a good cop but unfortunately it is obvious that isn't going to happen. I pray every time I drive through MTP that me or my family doesn't have to have contact with them.
Perplexed wrote:
I agree with the 2 posts above.
Nowadays, cops think they are gods. They act irrationally and think they can get away with it.
I had the displeasure of interacting with one of these Middletown township cops when my family was involved in an accident. Not only was this cop insensitive and VERY rude (he was restraining me from going to the scene of the accident because he claimed that I was "African American" and the family in the car was "Caucaisan" so "we could not be related" even after I gave him detailed information about the vehicle and who it was registered to(Did he seriously think i was there for an excursion?). Eventually after about 8 minutes of arguing (when i could have been by my family's side)and of him threatening to arrest me for trespassing, he found he was wrong and let me through to be with my daughter. I admit he called a few times to apologise and ask about the family but, it was too late- i already felt like a third rate citizen
Anyway, some of these cops think that they know EVERYTHING and that they can treat people like S**t jut because they are cops. It's sickening that they would fatally shoot a "suspect" with a "rock or brick". What was he going to do with the rock, hurl it at them? This is very very sad. I thought all the training was for them to be able to shoot to disarm not just kill (especially in instances where the person does not have a "weapon" - yea, a piece of rock is NOT a weapon). I hope the cop who did this gets punished or better yet, gets dimissed. We need cops who protect the community not cops who think they are the law and they can manhandle or kill whoever they want (guilty as they may be) and go on willy-nilly about their lives while their victims' families suffer. WE NEED CHANGE. NOW.
USMC SGT JACKSON

Houston, TX

#7 Apr 27, 2009
Well I see it from a different side a ROCK is a weapon and a deadly weapon at that!… I seen people killed with rocks,bricks, ballbats, ect.... look the middletown twp police department. Officers did their job as any department would have!!!! If this young man would have just walked out of the woods with hands high he just would have made a trip to local jail. But this young man made the choice to pick up a brick and charge at an officer. Put yourself in their shoes too many cops are being killed for no reason... this officer was doing his job. And by the way what does race have to do with this I'm A BLACK MAN. I feel bad that this turned tragic God Bless all involved
Middletown Citizen

United States

#8 Apr 27, 2009
The Police officer was white the man was white for all of those who try to make it a racist thing, good try but no luck in this incident. The man brutaly attached a 17 year old girl, he was very high on drugs. The cop told him to put his hands up numerous times and he chose to keep charging the police officer and pickecd up a brick. Note to everyone I don't care what township you live in put your hands up and explain your case to the judge for everyones safety. I happen to know the victims family and this guy was out of control for years and violent many times. it was a matter of time before he killed someone. Someone should say thank you for coming to the aid of a 17 year old girl and protecting her. Thank you Middletown, maybe next time a bad guy will think twice before coming into the township
Big Large Black Lady

Bethlehem, PA

#9 Apr 27, 2009
Middletown Citizen wrote:
The Police officer was white the man was white for all of those who try to make it a racist thing, good try but no luck in this incident. The man brutaly attached a 17 year old girl, he was very high on drugs. The cop told him to put his hands up numerous times and he chose to keep charging the police officer and pickecd up a brick. Note to everyone I don't care what township you live in put your hands up and explain your case to the judge for everyones safety. I happen to know the victims family and this guy was out of control for years and violent many times. it was a matter of time before he killed someone. Someone should say thank you for coming to the aid of a 17 year old girl and protecting her. Thank you Middletown, maybe next time a bad guy will think twice before coming into the township
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So you's are saying the Police did society a favor. I agrees, if the Police would bust a cap in peoples asss once in a while the crime rate would go down. If not for out of fear, but out of weeding out the degenerates.
Big Large Black Lady

Bethlehem, PA

#10 Apr 27, 2009
Middletown Citizen wrote:
The Police officer was white the man was white for all of those who try to make it a racist thing, good try but no luck in this incident. The man brutaly attached a 17 year old girl, he was very high on drugs. The cop told him to put his hands up numerous times and he chose to keep charging the police officer and pickecd up a brick. Note to everyone I don't care what township you live in put your hands up and explain your case to the judge for everyones safety. I happen to know the victims family and this guy was out of control for years and violent many times. it was a matter of time before he killed someone. Someone should say thank you for coming to the aid of a 17 year old girl and protecting her. Thank you Middletown, maybe next time a bad guy will think twice before coming into the township
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So you knows the victims family. My queston is where did he gets the bad genes from? Nice big house there with a big pool. Who was the family derelict? What do his parents do for a living, that might explain something. His father cleans Ceese Pools for a living? The behavior is something out of a ghetto Spike Lee movie. Was the mother a party girl crack whore loser? What the scoop, whitey?
Rasheed

Philadelphia, PA

#11 Apr 27, 2009
Ceese Pools??? Say What???
Big Large Black Lady wrote:
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So you knows the victims family. My queston is where did he gets the bad genes from? Nice big house there with a big pool. Who was the family derelict? What do his parents do for a living, that might explain something. His father cleans Ceese Pools for a living? The behavior is something out of a ghetto Spike Lee movie. Was the mother a party girl crack whore loser? What the scoop, whitey?
Big Large Black Lady

Readington, NJ

#13 Apr 27, 2009
Those things the rednecks have when they don't have public plumbing. It's like an underground crapbox. His mother parents are life long Croyden residents and his fathers parents were life long Levittown residents. The grandmother from Levittown was a school teacher at Pennsbury, well liked and into the community. So either she married a real loser or the bad genes come from the mother side in Croyden. Are the parents losers or was the kid just an outlier?
Big Large Black Lady

Readington, NJ

#14 Apr 27, 2009
I knows a few people I would like to smoke a blunt with, give them a brick and then drop them off at the mall and let them have a cop standoff. Speaking of the local Police. I plan on calling the Bristol Borough Police 911 this weekend. The Bristol Borough 911 gives a special weekend service. The officer of Bristol Borough will perform oral sex on all the females. I say this is Big Large Black Lady and have an Emergency, my pussy has not been services in 3 weeks. Get one of your fine young officers over here. And tells him to bring a bucket of KFC. I'am lady. I want a gift before we get intimate.
bob

United States

#15 Apr 27, 2009
USMC SGT JACKSON wrote:
Well I see it from a different side a ROCK is a weapon and a deadly weapon at that!… I seen people killed with rocks,bricks, ballbats, ect.... look the middletown twp police department. Officers did their job as any department would have!!!! If this young man would have just walked out of the woods with hands high he just would have made a trip to local jail. But this young man made the choice to pick up a brick and charge at an officer. Put yourself in their shoes too many cops are being killed for no reason... this officer was doing his job. And by the way what does race have to do with this I'm A BLACK MAN. I feel bad that this turned tragic God Bless all involved
What ever happened to a Taser??
blizanone

Blackwood, NJ

#16 Apr 27, 2009
I know a bunch of cops in both Phila. and Bucks. If this were to have happened in Phila., I doubt the cops would have shot him. A lot of Bucks cops seem trigger happy (Phila. too). The kids that got beat up in high school. Not all of them, but Bucks cops would love the opportunity to shoot someone. They practice rapid fire at the gun club and talk about shooting someone like they are in a movie. Their power and privilege is like a high and they don’t like when someone disrespects them. If this cop wasn’t acting on his ego, but rather rational and sound thinking, the boy might still be alive. Can the townships offer better screening during the hiring process? Maybe this will weed out the power-tripped cops. It’s interesting to me how the cops made sure all the news reports indiscreetly claim that the police officer followed protocol. "He backed up and then shot". How about keep backing up while attempting to calm the man down. What do police officers do in countries where they do not carry guns? Well they probably do not have this problem of power-tripped cops. Maybe part of orientation for Bucks cops should be to work for a year in North Phila. They wouldn't last a week. RIP to the young man whose life was thrown away, hopefully the girl is OK. To the cop, I hope that I am wrong and you are a rational person with good intentions, but I doubt it.
PEACE
Unknown

Eatontown, NJ

#17 Apr 28, 2009
What is wrong with you people? Are you forgetting what would have happened to the 17yr old girl if the cops didnt' even arrive she'd be dead from some Ahole having a bad day and deciding to beat the shit out of her and ripping her eyeballs from her head. I'm my eyes that sort of behavior deserves the death penalty, he didnt care if he killed that girl, why should I care not that he is dead. I think the cop did what was nessasary just for what he was doing to that girl. Then he was going after a cop with a brick--We need that kind of justice in this country alot more. We would have a ton less murders and shootings if the justice system actually was feared. I feel it was a good example. The police didnt' cause the incident the Jerk beating the hell out of some girl did. My heart is with her and I hope she is able to get past such a terrible event that happened to her. Stop blaming the police and start pointing the finger at where it belongs......
Unknown

Lansdale, PA

#18 Apr 28, 2009
Why just not shoot him once in the leg?
chris

Mount Holly, NJ

#19 Apr 28, 2009
As a mother of a teenage girl who goes to oxford valley mall, I can only pray the Middletown officers are there if she should ever need them. It is unfortunate that this occured at all, but it was initiated by the perpetrator, not the police. He came at the police with a WEAPON, intending to do harm to someone, they were within their rights to fire. And btw, i really don't believe these officers enjoy killing people. It is part of their job and something they have to live with every day forever. I wouldn't judge these officers til you spent a day on their job!
blizanone

Blackwood, NJ

#20 Apr 28, 2009
What would have happened to the girl? According to police records, the BOY ran into the woods. Forgive me if I am wrong, but according to the news she was released that night. Doesnt sound like serious head injury.(With all due respect for the girl) Anyway...Good idea...run after a KID who is upset and corner him. Are these police officers really trained in de-escalation techniques...or is it shoot center mass to kill? We really need to consider providing better training for our police officers. I dont want to put them blame on anyone. I want us to learn from this.
Unknown wrote:
What is wrong with you people? Are you forgetting what would have happened to the 17yr old girl if the cops didnt' even arrive she'd be dead from some Ahole having a bad day and deciding to beat the shit out of her and ripping her eyeballs from her head. I'm my eyes that sort of behavior deserves the death penalty, he didnt care if he killed that girl, why should I care not that he is dead. I think the cop did what was nessasary just for what he was doing to that girl. Then he was going after a cop with a brick--We need that kind of justice in this country alot more. We would have a ton less murders and shootings if the justice system actually was feared. I feel it was a good example. The police didnt' cause the incident the Jerk beating the hell out of some girl did. My heart is with her and I hope she is able to get past such a terrible event that happened to her. Stop blaming the police and start pointing the finger at where it belongs......
Jim G

AOL

#21 Apr 29, 2009
These posts fail to mention that this young man "Thomas Lovett' was a special education student in a Life skills Class at Truman HS. He was diagnosed with higher functioning autism . People who have any understanding of autism know very well the many social mistakes individuals with autism make. This is one of their primary deficits. Parents know how many of their children have been taunted, teased bullied. I also want to mention how many times the 'girls' are among the most cruel when it comes to teasing. I know one young man who had his hands closed with the door of his locker, slapped on the back while navigating through the hallways at school. Pushed over when he was attempting to retrieve his book bag that had been kicked by other students. All done by the teenage girls!!!! Many times this continues to occur all through middle and high school on almost a daily basis. Most times even when these individuals seek help from authorities(principal, teacher, etc) Because they cannot articulate very well they do not necessarily have the verbal skills to defend themselves, thus, many times no one even believes them or takes them seriously. How frustrating to experience this sort of treatment everyday?. How much can a person take?

Also: Nowadays, police are no longer the protector as they once were. Society in general is now witnessing police corruption in the news and movies. Therefore, some individuals feel threatened by police and are without a doubt fearing for their very lives!!! Tell me, how many of you reading this post really trust the police?
Big Large Black Lady wrote:
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So you's are saying the Police did society a favor. I agrees, if the Police would bust a cap in peoples asss once in a while the crime rate would go down. If not for out of fear, but out of weeding out the degenerates.

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