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Gold Hill Elementary in Buckingham County is shutting its doors because of a $3 million shortfall in the school's budget. Full Story
blackhawk57

United States

#23 Mar 23, 2012
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Looks like you're playing partisan politics and being dishonest. While you and I may dislike the health care bill, and I agree that Pelosi is being dishonest, both parties are responsible for massive amounts of wasteful spending. The truth is that you're acting like we've seen the cost results that are associated with that bill, which is also dishonest.
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Cutting taxes and going into two wars was an unbelievably bad idea, follow that up with TARP and many of the bailouts, or how about the stimulus? Do you think that it's a good idea that companies that get billions in tax subsidies don't pay income taxes? On top of that, what was the justification for going into Iraq?
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Why do you think the Republican front runners are focusing on social issues?
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It won't be until the Republican and Democratic parties alienates enough social moderate fiscal conservatives that we will see those with good common sense ideas come to fruition. Why doesn't the GOP take Ron Paul or Gary Johnson seriously? I'm guessing it's because they're afraid of alienating the CCA or MMA.
No, I'm not playing partisan politics and what have I said that is 'dishonest'? Also, I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative that is forced to vote Republican because of the sheer Lunacy of the 'Left'. Settle down man, don't get me wrong. Also, we went into Iraq with bipartisan support. Only when we did not find weapons of mass destruction did the Democrats sneak away and deny any support for this effort. The intelligence reports were just wrong but brutally murdering hundreds of thousands of Kurds (WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION -- GAS) is not enough for you? The fact of the matter is, Saddam HIMSELF was a weapon of mass destruction.
Concerned Citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#24 Mar 23, 2012
This county is simply living outside its means! Why would we build another school when we havent paid for the middle school (recently built) or the High School which had an addition almost 20 years ago....if we werent still paying for those two schools then we would not be so far in debt!
When everyONE hears construction grant they think the money doesn't have to be paid back...well it does. So next year...we will be paying on the grant from the new Elementary school and the one from the middle school and the high school...WE ALL KNOW IT IS NOT GOOD TO SPEND MONEY WE DON'T HAVE...I DONT' THINK THIS COUNTY IS BEING A VERY GOOD ROLE MODLE FOR OUR UPCOMING GENERATION BY BEING SO FAR IN DEBT BY CHOICE...IT IS SIMPLY BAD MANAGMENT, AND IT CONTINUES TO GET WORSE!
Dude

Bumpass, VA

#25 Mar 23, 2012
blackhawk57 wrote:
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No, I'm not playing partisan politics and what have I said that is 'dishonest'? Also, I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative that is forced to vote Republican because of the sheer Lunacy of the 'Left'. Settle down man, don't get me wrong. Also, we went into Iraq with bipartisan support. Only when we did not find weapons of mass destruction did the Democrats sneak away and deny any support for this effort. The intelligence reports were just wrong but brutally murdering hundreds of thousands of Kurds (WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION -- GAS) is not enough for you? The fact of the matter is, Saddam HIMSELF was a weapon of mass destruction.
Sure you are; you're singling out one side of the equation. I'm not even angry at that side because I never vote dem. As the former Arizona coach Dennis Green would say, "They are who we thought they were." They're not even pretending to be something they're not.
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Are you forced to vote for the lesser of two evils, or do you chose to? Remember, a vote for the lesser of two evils is still consent of that evil and a vote for it. By voting for what is wrong with what we used to believe in you are consenting to the direction it has taken.(If you didn't leave the Republican Party, it left you; or if you're more ideologically aligned with republicans the democrats)
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like a war hero, right wing nut job once told me, "a democrat sweep of this election might be the best thing for the republican party." I don't know if he's right, but it would send a message that the republican house is broken. I'm not sure it would be good for the country though. I do believe we're stronger than one party, though. I mean, seriously, Romney? Santorum? Santorum just endorced Obama if Ronmey gets the nod? Yeah, okay, I'm voting Ron Paul or Gary Johnson either way.(not that it matters, popular vote doesn't count for president)
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We did go in with bi-partisan support, who wouldn't want to support a war ear president after a national catastrophe? Those democrats don't get a pass, either, btw. I have often posted the youtube video of Bill Clinton and Nancy Pelosi saying that there were WMDs in Iraq (when from the surveillance photos I could tell that they were DI trailers ... which are water treatment for power generation.)The problem is that we got tainted information and enough flawed intel has come out publicly now and exposed that we went in under a flawed premise.
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If you want to use the genocide of Kurds as an excuse, why didn't we go in when he did it?(1988, before the Kuwait invasion & first Gulf War ODS1) You do know that he used the mustard gas that we gave him to fight Iran, right? The only WMDs that we found had "made in the USA" stamped on them. Our guys and the UN's guys didn't find any evidence of WMD creation or pursuance. Just to inform you, you're hundreds of thousands is a little hyperbolic, if I recall the numbers were somewhere between a little under 4,000 and 5,000.
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If you want to use genocide as an excuse, do you suggest we go to war with NATO ally Turkey for committing genocidal atrocities against Iraqi Kurds? Do you also suggest we go into the Darfur region and stop the genocide that is going on there? I believe the numbers of each are much higher, to the tune of tens to a hundred thousand.
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The beauty of our nation is that we are free to express our opinions. We have to have an honest dialog with each other to come together. Peaceful discourse is 100% better 100% of the time than violent revolt.
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Having written all that, it is off topic...
So I shall be moving on, or staying on topic.
Blackhawk57

Waynesboro, VA

#26 Mar 23, 2012
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If you want to use the genocide of Kurds as an excuse, why didn't we go in when he did it?(1988, before the Kuwait invasion & first Gulf War ODS1) You do know that he used the mustard gas that we gave him to fight Iran, right? The only WMDs that we found had "made in the USA" stamped on them. Our guys and the UN's guys didn't find any evidence of WMD creation or pursuance. Just to inform you, you're hundreds of thousands is a little hyperbolic, if I recall the numbers were somewhere between a little under 4,000 and 5,000.

You're right, sorry, I (we?) did drag this away from a school closing story but just for your information, here is some info about Saddam Hussein's abuse and mayhem:

Some estimates of the deaths during the the uprisings in April of 1991 range from 20,000 to 100, 000 for the Kurds and 60,000 to 130,000 for Shi'ites. Some have estimated 800,000 deaths caused directly by Saddam--these not including the casualties from the Iran-Iraq war. You can find more information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_...
GHES Teacher

Ashburn, VA

#27 Mar 23, 2012
Honestly, many of the teachers feel that the move is inevitable, and we'd rather do it now than later.

I haven't seen any negativity from the teachers (although the were plenty of shocked and upset parents at the PTA meeting and at the meeting Thursday night.) We have made it our purpose to make this as easy on the children as we can. We have answered their questions and put a positive spin on the situation because we love them.
torch

Charlottesville, VA

#28 Mar 23, 2012
Hope and change works, no jobs no tax revenue I get it
Resident

Rustburg, VA

#29 Mar 24, 2012
Without adequate daycare options in the county you cannot expect a working parent to be in agreement of a 160 day school year. Teachers often complain of the pressure of cramming material in before SOL testing. Can you imagine the complaints when you decrease the amount of days in the school year? You can't expect a qualified administrator to give good service on a teachers salary. The people in this position have worked hard to earn the respect and pay and you cannot take that back when you don't get your way. You can't compare MS/HS activities to educating our elementary students. MS/HS students are being prepared for college and these activities will get some of our students scholarships. What next take away the prom to keep GH open? "Many people" are not the majority. I don't think you have enough residents in Arvonia to tax to meet the million dollar goal. Face it all alternatives are exhausted let's embrace this new journey.
Resident

Rustburg, VA

#30 Mar 24, 2012
Fundraisers and box tops are great to fund extra activites but not to be the source of keeping the school open. Are you willing to commit to this fundraising all year every year? The economy is not the best so this deficit could go on for many years.
NEMO

Scottsville, VA

#31 Mar 25, 2012
Dear concerned citizen,
I feel it is my duty to inform you exactly what the 160 day school year would entail. Support staff would have their salaries cut by one month's pay. School would be in session an hour extra per day. That's 160 hours obviously. Cutting supports staffs salary by one month would equal 140 hours. Therefore support staff would be asked to take a month's loss of salary yet would be asked to work more hours. Support staff makes little as it is so taking money from them will never equal the money the schools need to balance the budget. Furthermore it should be noted that the school board is throwing a budget out there that has yet to be presented to the board of supervisors. So no budget has been approved by the county. All of this is being done in hopes that the school can be closed down before the county steps in. And also to In Support Of, the water supply issue you speak of was caused by a storm the night before that simply shut down the pump. Once the water tank is empty due to it's size the tank takes quite awhile to fill back up. Does lightning not strike on the other end of the county?
Concerned citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#32 Mar 25, 2012
Resident wrote:
Without adequate daycare options in the county you cannot expect a working parent to be in agreement of a 160 day school year. Teachers often complain of the pressure of cramming material in before SOL testing. Can you imagine the complaints when you decrease the amount of days in the school year? You can't expect a qualified administrator to give good service on a teachers salary. The people in this position have worked hard to earn the respect and pay and you cannot take that back when you don't get your way. You can't compare MS/HS activities to educating our elementary students. MS/HS students are being prepared for college and these activities will get some of our students scholarships. What next take away the prom to keep GH open? "Many people" are not the majority. I don't think you have enough residents in Arvonia to tax to meet the million dollar goal. Face it all alternatives are exhausted let's embrace this new journey.
SERIOUSLY??? It is NOT the school's responsibility to provide "daycare"! The school is to provide an EDUCATION. Parents are capable of finding sufficient daycare options 185 days/year, they are capable of 20 additional. I did not say give admin the same pay as teachers. I said lessen the gap! I agree admins work for the respect and positions but let's be real they are not working in urban areas. If they want urban pay - RELOCATE!!! This is not about cutting their pay so I can get my way, this is about meeting budget and staying within the county's means. Our cost of living is not nearly what the cost of living is in a largly populated area. Our ES deserves an equal quality education as MS/HS...we are preparing ALL students for their future - not just MS/HS (where do you think MS/HS students come from?)!!! Sounds like you obviously aren't capable of differentiating between neccesities and niceties...The goal is $576,000 and I don't have any residents in Arvonia - you should not assume that because I am wanting saving that community that I reside there. And to say that anyone is recommending prom be taken away is a "stretch" of imagination...
Concerned citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#33 Mar 25, 2012
Resident wrote:
Fundraisers and box tops are great to fund extra activites but not to be the source of keeping the school open. Are you willing to commit to this fundraising all year every year? The economy is not the best so this deficit could go on for many years.
Fundraisers and boxtops are a great way to bring in additional income. They weren't recommended as an "only" source, just as an additional source of income. I would commit to help in any way I possibly could.

I agree this deficit can and (more than likely) will be here beyond this year...it was here before this year (it has just grown). While I understand closing GH may BAND-AID the issue TO AN EXTENT this year, how does that REALLY help in years to come?

Besides, with GH closing the deficit is still more than $1,000,000 with the other cuts as well. Also, in a year or so this county is going to be paying the "mortgage" on that "new" school as well. While the budget is already a HUGE problem, that school isn't even being paid for yet...

Closing GH also creates other problems such as a FULL ES with no room for expansion (unless we have trailers popping up again)! It also leaves classrooms at the "new" ES at maximum capacity!
Concerned citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#34 Mar 26, 2012
NEMO wrote:
Dear concerned citizen,
I feel it is my duty to inform you exactly what the 160 day school year would entail. Support staff would have their salaries cut by one month's pay. School would be in session an hour extra per day. That's 160 hours obviously. Cutting supports staffs salary by one month would equal 140 hours. Therefore support staff would be asked to take a month's loss of salary yet would be asked to work more hours. Support staff makes little as it is so taking money from them will never equal the money the schools need to balance the budget. Furthermore it should be noted that the school board is throwing a budget out there that has yet to be presented to the board of supervisors. So no budget has been approved by the county. All of this is being done in hopes that the school can be closed down before the county steps in. And also to In Support Of, the water supply issue you speak of was caused by a storm the night before that simply shut down the pump. Once the water tank is empty due to it's size the tank takes quite awhile to fill back up. Does lightning not strike on the other end of the county?
While the 160 day calendar is not ideal for everyone and it would cut support staff, bus drivers, etc. one month's pay, it would help balance the budget and possibly help others keep a job. It would lessen operating cost of the schools, lessen wear and tear on vehicles, decrease the amount of fuel for buses, etc. All of those things should be taken into account. This was not recommended ONLY to keep GH open, but to help with the budget overall, present and future.

The proposed budget will be presented at the Board of Supervisors' meeting in April. It has to be presented by April 16th.

SouthernBelle

Charlottesville, VA

#35 Apr 17, 2012
The Buckingham County School Board is a joke...strong leadership is needed. They are failing the kids in this community. If you have some free time visit the schools and look in the eyes of the children, they look like walking zombies.
Stop the tax hike

Charlottesville, VA

#36 Apr 17, 2012
Just the kind of tax savings we need. I bet that school attracted a bunch of poor free lunch kids we don't need to feed now!
Hiking Top Ex

Charlottesville, VA

#37 Apr 17, 2012
How many damn counties do you live in? I see you just posted on a Fluvanna topix.???
Stop the tax hike wrote:
Just the kind of tax savings we need. I bet that school attracted a bunch of poor free lunch kids we don't need to feed now!
What EVER

Bassett, VA

#38 Apr 17, 2012
you are an idiot to say "some people don't like New Canto area...that's why that school was burnt down"...you are a waste of air and space to even make a statement like that!!! what a jerk..i can't beleive people like you exist!
charlotte Staton

United States

#39 Sep 2, 2012
I have 3 grand children in buckingham school 2 that go to new school they may made a big mistake it take children longer to get to school some children miss half of their last class pf the day which is not fair. the little children have a hard time finding thing in such a big school Buckingham should have though long and hard before making this happen cuts should have been made at the top before making this happen. Our children should have been put FRIST
Conservative Corrector

Charlottesville, VA

#40 Sep 2, 2012
charlotte Staton wrote:
I have 3 grand children in buckingham school 2 that go to new school they may made a big mistake it take children longer to get to school some children miss half of their last class pf the day which is not fair. the little children have a hard time finding thing in such a big school Buckingham should have though long and hard before making this happen cuts should have been made at the top before making this happen. Our children should have been put FRIST
Put "FRIST" ? You should be put out to pasture Grandma! If your babble is an example of Buckingham education, that school wasn't shut down soon enough! Romney Allen Hurt will stop wasting money on lousy schools and teachers!
buckingham citizen

United States

#41 Sep 3, 2012
frist of all you don't live in buckingham so but out
Backwoods Edjerkshun

Charlottesville, VA

#42 Sep 3, 2012
Conservative Corrector wrote:
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Put "FRIST" ? You should be put out to pasture Grandma! If your babble is an example of Buckingham education, that school wasn't shut down soon enough! Romney Allen Hurt will stop wasting money on lousy schools and teachers!
So true! They should close all the Buckingham schools and bus the kids to other counties where the teachers dont still wear loincloths and and carry clubs.carry clubs!

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