DEA: sharp drop in Fla. oxycodone purchases

Feb 4, 2012 Full story: WSVN-TV Miami Beach 28

A combination of tough new laws and a high-profile crackdown is chipping away at Florida's dubious distinction as the nation's leading illicit source of powerful prescription painkillers for drug addicts and dealers, federal and state officials said Wednesday.

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concerned

Casselberry, FL

#1 Feb 5, 2012
I do agree wit the action being taken but this has become unfair for those that do need the medicine. For the people that have mri's.that prove they have a medical need it should not.affect them but boy is it ever. I was scheduled for surgery but had to cancel due to I am not able to fill my medicine... why is this affecting the ones that do need it..

“Chillin at the Bunny Ranch”

Since: Jun 11

Reno Nv.

#2 Feb 5, 2012
Because the DEA cares nothing about your suffering & they are the lowest of the low. Their actions are making it harder for people to get pain medications. They have caused more pain than the drugs have ever caused. So many mothers & fathers have whined to state officials saying pain clinics caused their children to overdose. When in fact not one pain clinic has caused anyone to OD. As I've said before I hope every DEA agent develops a chronic pain condition & doctors refuse to treat their pain. If they want to make this bed where pain medication is so restricted then they should be forced to lay in it like other CPP have to. Some will say well they where just doing their job but that doesn't make it right. The Nazi's said the same thing at the war crimes trials & it was no excuse for their actions. Just like there is no excuse for the DEA's actions now. As far as I'm concerned the DEA is on the same level as the Nazi's.
garycoleman

Austin, TX

#3 Feb 6, 2012
Thank you Sonya, my thoughts exactly!
donestoopid

Pompano Beach, FL

#4 Feb 6, 2012
That lady's gonna get killed!
SashaStarr

Franklin Lakes, NJ

#5 Feb 6, 2012
donestoopid wrote:
That lady's gonna get killed!
Why is she going to be killed? Who is going to kill her? You? For what reason? For stating a fact? It would be easier all the way around if you just ignored posts you dont like. Threatening someone's life over a post on a narcotic drug forum is a bit over the top, dont you think?
donestoopid

Pompano Beach, FL

#6 Feb 6, 2012
SashaStarr wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is she going to be killed? Who is going to kill her? You? For what reason? For stating a fact? It would be easier all the way around if you just ignored posts you dont like. Threatening someone's life over a post on a narcotic drug forum is a bit over the top, dont you think?
I was talking about Carmel Camero, the news reporter on the video...you assuming bastard...if you have seen the way she approaches and talks to people you would agree that she is doing a very risky and dangerous move...if i was talking about the poster i wouldve replied to the Quote...dumba$$!

“Chillin at the Bunny Ranch”

Since: Jun 11

Reno Nv.

#7 Feb 6, 2012
I use to be a patient at the George brothers American Pain clinic. Regardless of what the press says they did urine test & examinations before prescribing oxycodone. I have more respect for the George brothers than I do the DEA. The poor doctor that fell in the parking lot Roni Dreszer dad Jacob Dreszer was my doctor at American Pain. He was the nicest old man you could ever hope to meet. He really cared about his patients & didn't just hand out pills without examining a patient first. I heard he lost his medical license. He helped a lot of people & taking away his license has only served to hurt the patients that depended on him. As for the patients they alleged died from OD's at American pain. I know my medication bottles said take 1 tablet every 4 to 6 hrs. so hows is it the doctors fault if they followed the label directions? If the directions said take 15 tablets every 4 to 6 hrs. then you might have a case against the doctors. I've lost all respect for our government & our justice system over this drug issue. There is no justice for chronic pain suffers or the doctors who treat them.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#8 Feb 6, 2012
Sadly some people will abuse pain pills and some Doctor's will dispense them illegally. People over the age 18 should be able to get pain meds etc... if they need them without a bunch of bs. Sonya i have heard of many legit physicians losing their license due to prescribing controlled meds. Its insane. Didn't they go to 10 years of school to be able to prescribe meds? Yet now they have to be in fear of losing their license when they are helping people in legitimate need of them. When dea cracks down on dr's you will see an increase in street sales.
birdman

Columbus, OH

#9 Feb 6, 2012
Sonya25 wrote:
I use to be a patient at the George brothers American Pain clinic. Regardless of what the press says they did urine test & examinations before prescribing oxycodone. I have more respect for the George brothers than I do the DEA. The poor doctor that fell in the parking lot Roni Dreszer dad Jacob Dreszer was my doctor at American Pain. He was the nicest old man you could ever hope to meet. He really cared about his patients & didn't just hand out pills without examining a patient first. I heard he lost his medical license. He helped a lot of people & taking away his license has only served to hurt the patients that depended on him. As for the patients they alleged died from OD's at American pain. I know my medication bottles said take 1 tablet every 4 to 6 hrs. so hows is it the doctors fault if they followed the label directions? If the directions said take 15 tablets every 4 to 6 hrs. then you might have a case against the doctors. I've lost all respect for our government & our justice system over this drug issue. There is no justice for chronic pain suffers or the doctors who treat them.
Sonya, what I think you are not understanding is the fact that Florid for many yrs was known as the pill capital of the country!! When there is a pain clinic on EVERY corner like a gas station or a lil store that is a problem. The doctors in Florida, well most of them, for yrs were handing out prescriptions to ANYONE who didn't even have an MRI and for the cheap low cost of $300 dollars give or take, BAM, all of a sudden you now had the "paperwork" to make yourself look legit! No and I mean no doctor in their right mind would EVER prescribe someone 300 oxy 30's every two weeks!! Terminally ill cancer patients dont even get one third of the amount of pills that these doctors were giving to ppl WALKING into their clinics claiming to have a bad back! It is the fault if the docs that were simply legal drug dealers that caused the DEA to get involved and I agree with what has happened!! I get rx'd 120 40mg Opana ER and 120 roxy 30's monthly, however, I have had 23 back, wrist, shoulder and hip surgeries since being hit by a drunk driver over 11 yrs ago. If a TRUE CPP has a legit medical condition that warrants them to be on narcotic therapy for the rest of their life they will never have a problem getting the proper treatment they need, and their docs dont have 2 worry about losing their medical license!! In Florida, pain clinic docs were seeing their patients for roughly 2-5 minutes, c'mon do you really think they were taking the time to examine their patients in such a short time? Because of how crooked those docs were now legit docs and patients have to suffer...I do have a problem for those individual ppl n docs...but the majority were bad, n they knew it!! I mean, docs were seeing ppl from every state in the country for yrs!! Why didn't these so-called ppl in pain go see a doc in their city? Because they didn't have a PROBLEM AND KNEW ALMOST ANY CLINIC FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF $$$ WOULD GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY WANTED!! Tell me im wrong?
birdman

Columbus, OH

#10 Feb 6, 2012
Also, why is it for the most part that every story or news article tht is being published is coming from non other then the great ol state of FLORIDA??? If it was TRUE that legit cpps are going to have a problem in every state in the country then tell me why the pharmaceutical companies are already approved to release at least THREE more narcotic painkillers that are just as addictive as oxycontin? Not to mention the minimum of TEN more narcotic painkillers that are being marketed right this second as generic!!! I own a mortgage company so I def know a thing or two about business!! I'm not sure what % the pharmaceutical companies make in regards to the overall national income of businesses but I'll bet its over 30%!!!! I spend $60,000 a month in just mailers to bring in business, and there is NO guarantee that my loan officers are going to close every lead they get or else every business man with $$$ would get into my line of work!! But, even if we close 2% of what I spend monthly I'm still making 10 x more then if I didn't do mailers!! Same principle goes for the big Pharma giants like Purdue & Endo...meds aren't going anywhere and docs will still prescribe them....you do know that every doc gets kick backs for pushing product right?? Yes, because of Florida there has been many more regulations in the pain killer BUSINESS!! But its not going ANYWHERE and either are most docs!! Did you really think that oxys where changed to thwart abuse? Or that Endo is coming out with a "new" crush proof pill to do the same? Lmao, absolutely not, it was just their way to lock up the market from competition for the next 10 yrs...SMART MOVE..don't cha think? And if you think for one second that the fda n DEA isn't in their back pocket you're sadly mistaken... I'm out...you guys can beoch about this all you want...nothing is changing other then stricter rules period.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#11 Feb 6, 2012
This is such a BS statistic. Sure Florida Doctors have purchased 90% less Oxycodone since last year.

They cant dispense in house anymore!!!!! So why would a Doctor be ordering any drugs if they can't sell/dispense them???

Now if it said Florida Pharmacys or similar than that would be significant, but it doesnt

“Chillin at the Bunny Ranch”

Since: Jun 11

Reno Nv.

#12 Feb 6, 2012
birdman, it shouldn't matter if there are 3 pain clinics on every street corner. We don't need big brother telling us what we can & can't put in our own bodies. The government can't even regulate themselves yet you trust them to regulate everyone else.I agree with you regarding the drug companies & the government. It's a corporate/political mafia that runs our country now. But they should have left things alone in Florida. I was getting 210 Oxy 30's a month & I knew the risk as well as the benefits of this drug. The last thing I needed was someone as crooked as the DEA telling me I don't need this drug for my own safety. I would rather die by my own hand then live being regulated by someone else's hand.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#13 Feb 6, 2012
Birdman, I agree 100% with you that drs are getting a substantial kickback from the pharmeutical companies. All in all just about everything about this industry involves money, big money at that. Last year i lived in south Florida for several months and you are absolutely correct about the pain management clinics there. Even last summer these clinics were all over the place, most of them are pill mills. Now they do require you have a Florida Id of some kind but other than that most of them will see you by appointment or even on a walk-in basis and prescribe you what ever it is you want. They charge first time customers around $400-600 cash only. That alone tells you something isn't right. And as you mentioned to be prescribed large amounts of pain meds like Oxy or Dilaudid there should be some medical reason for it. So for an extra $250.00 most of them will make an mri appear with your name on it. Once again money is behind all of this. I agree again that if you are a legitimate pain management patient you don't have much to worry about. Pain meds will always be available and honest drs are out there that can assist you on managing your pain. I myself have discovered that much of the pain i suffer from is mental, now don't get me wrong i do have pain issues but if i don't focus on those issues my pain doesn't seem to be as bad.
birdman

Columbus, OH

#14 Feb 6, 2012
Hollywooddale wrote:
Birdman, I agree 100% with you that drs are getting a substantial kickback from the pharmeutical companies. All in all just about everything about this industry involves money, big money at that. Last year i lived in south Florida for several months and you are absolutely correct about the pain management clinics there. Even last summer these clinics were all over the place, most of them are pill mills. Now they do require you have a Florida Id of some kind but other than that most of them will see you by appointment or even on a walk-in basis and prescribe you what ever it is you want. They charge first time customers around $400-600 cash only. That alone tells you something isn't right. And as you mentioned to be prescribed large amounts of pain meds like Oxy or Dilaudid there should be some medical reason for it. So for an extra $250.00 most of them will make an mri appear with your name on it. Once again money is behind all of this. I agree again that if you are a legitimate pain management patient you don't have much to worry about. Pain meds will always be available and honest drs are out there that can assist you on managing your pain. I myself have discovered that much of the pain i suffer from is mental, now don't get me wrong i do have pain issues but if i don't focus on those issues my pain doesn't seem to be as bad.
I commend you on at the very least agreeing with me to an extent!! I knew Damn well that my two post would probably generate a lot of controversy and I welcome it...hence the reason I posted what I wrote! I really dont know why I bother even continuing coming here, but it's almost an addiction anymore, and when I need a good laugh I log on and giggle then go about my day :) I do and have continued to help many folks here with answers to their questions..ones I know that is, usually it has something to do with the same meds I'm prescribed and I like to help out my fellow man..women too ha. Also, if I have a questions I'll post and hope that it'll get answered? I think we can all agree that topix has gone to hell in a hand basket really fast, and most of the "OG" members have left do to all the scammers and fighting!! When I came here almost a yr and 1/2 ago to simply find out as much as possible about Opana this was a great place to come and get unbiased answers to my Q & A!!!! Now, its all about sales sales sales..which equates to scammers scammers scammers, and fighting and bickering?? I think and wish this place was like it was back then, but unfortunately its exactly as what I just wrote. At any rate, tkz 4 at least having the balls (sorry, not sure if you're a he or she lol) but its nice to get both sides of others point of view w/o turning to an ugly thread!@ Sonya, I agree with your comment, but sadly "we" us lil guys have no say so in regards to it is OUR BODY but again, unfortunately there isn't a damn thing we can do about it...MONEY will always silence talk....period!! Truth sometimes is a hard pill to swallow..no pun intended...lol..hope things are going good for you at the ranch...I did post a few weeks ago an improper and unwarranted comment about you and I both retract and apologize - bird

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#15 Feb 7, 2012
Now in my opinion, you sir are the worst type of hypocrite...Not even a terminal cancer patient in Hospice should be getting 160mg of Oxymorphone a day! That by itself is equivalent to ~700mg of oxycodone in addition to the 120mg of oc you also receive. Your "doctor" should have switched you to 1x 100mcg Duragesic(Fentanyl)patch every 72 hours with 3x Oxycodone IR 15mg a day or a pain pump ideally....Some balls talking down to/about anyone with a larger script than yourself.
birdman wrote:
<quoted text> Sonya, what I think you are not understanding is the fact that Florid for many yrs was known as the pill capital of the country!! When there is a pain clinic on EVERY corner like a gas station or a lil store that is a problem. The doctors in Florida, well most of them, for yrs were handing out prescriptions to ANYONE who didn't even have an MRI and for the cheap low cost of $300 dollars give or take, BAM, all of a sudden you now had the "paperwork" to make yourself look legit! No and I mean no doctor in their right mind would EVER prescribe someone 300 oxy 30's every two weeks!! Terminally ill cancer patients dont even get one third of the amount of pills that these doctors were giving to ppl WALKING into their clinics claiming to have a bad back! It is the fault if the docs that were simply legal drug dealers that caused the DEA to get involved and I agree with what has happened!! I get rx'd 120 40mg Opana ER and 120 roxy 30's monthly, however, I have had 23 back, wrist, shoulder and hip surgeries since being hit by a drunk driver over 11 yrs ago. If a TRUE CPP has a legit medical condition that warrants them to be on narcotic therapy for the rest of their life they will never have a problem getting the proper treatment they need, and their docs dont have 2 worry about losing their medical license!! In Florida, pain clinic docs were seeing their patients for roughly 2-5 minutes, c'mon do you really think they were taking the time to examine their patients in such a short time? Because of how crooked those docs were now legit docs and patients have to suffer...I do have a problem for those individual ppl n docs...but the majority were bad, n they knew it!! I mean, docs were seeing ppl from every state in the country for yrs!! Why didn't these so-called ppl in pain go see a doc in their city? Because they didn't have a PROBLEM AND KNEW ALMOST ANY CLINIC FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF $$$ WOULD GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY WANTED!! Tell me im wrong?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#16 Feb 7, 2012
The real corruption was happening just last year, when FL "Drs" were able to dispense CIIs in-house.

Now, say you goto one of these Drs and pay your $400 "office visit" fee. Since the Dr is getting paid to WRITE the prescription as well as FILLING it, it's in his(wallets) best interest to prescribe the highest qty of the most expensive drugs he can. So that $400 is in addition to the inflated inhouse pharmacy costs. Since you have the option of filling in-house or getting and rx and filling it on your own, most doctors would write almost DOUBLE the qty if you used the in-house pharmacy. So that's ~240 Roxi30s @$3-8/a pill with 120 OC80s @$15-$30/pill for inhouse or 120 30s and 60 OC80s if you decide to use say CVS @ 1/3 the price, but 1/2 the qty.

Outrageous
Hollywooddale wrote:
Birdman, I agree 100% with you that drs are getting a substantial kickback from the pharmeutical companies. All in all just about everything about this industry involves money, big money at that. Last year i lived in south Florida for several months and you are absolutely correct about the pain management clinics there. Even last summer these clinics were all over the place, most of them are pill mills. Now they do require you have a Florida Id of some kind but other than that most of them will see you by appointment or even on a walk-in basis and prescribe you what ever it is you want. They charge first time customers around $400-600 cash only. That alone tells you something isn't right. And as you mentioned to be prescribed large amounts of pain meds like Oxy or Dilaudid there should be some medical reason for it. So for an extra $250.00 most of them will make an mri appear with your name on it. Once again money is behind all of this. I agree again that if you are a legitimate pain management patient you don't have much to worry about. Pain meds will always be available and honest drs are out there that can assist you on managing your pain. I myself have discovered that much of the pain i suffer from is mental, now don't get me wrong i do have pain issues but if i don't focus on those issues my pain doesn't seem to be as bad.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#18 Feb 9, 2012
Sonya25 wrote:
Because the DEA cares nothing about your suffering & they are the lowest of the low. Their actions are making it harder for people to get pain medications. They have caused more pain than the drugs have ever caused. So many mothers & fathers have whined to state officials saying pain clinics caused their children to overdose. When in fact not one pain clinic has caused anyone to OD. As I've said before I hope every DEA agent develops a chronic pain condition & doctors refuse to treat their pain. If they want to make this bed where pain medication is so restricted then they should be forced to lay in it like other CPP have to. Some will say well they where just doing their job but that doesn't make it right. The Nazi's said the same thing at the war crimes trials & it was no excuse for their actions. Just like there is no excuse for the DEA's actions now. As far as I'm concerned the DEA is on the same level as the Nazi's.
Amen to that statement - and I would have even more against the DEA etc. but will not go into that here again.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#19 Feb 9, 2012
birdman wrote:
<quoted text> Sonya, what I think you are not understanding is the fact that Florid for many yrs was known as the pill capital of the country!! When there is a pain clinic on EVERY corner like a gas station or a lil store that is a problem. The doctors in Florida, well most of them, for yrs were handing out prescriptions to ANYONE who didn't even have an MRI and for the cheap low cost of $300 dollars give or take, BAM, all of a sudden you now had the "paperwork" to make yourself look legit! No and I mean no doctor in their right mind would EVER prescribe someone 300 oxy 30's every two weeks!! Terminally ill cancer patients dont even get one third of the amount of pills that these doctors were giving to ppl WALKING into their clinics claiming to have a bad back! It is the fault if the docs that were simply legal drug dealers that caused the DEA to get involved and I agree with what has happened!! I get rx'd 120 40mg Opana ER and 120 roxy 30's monthly, however, I have had 23 back, wrist, shoulder and hip surgeries since being hit by a drunk driver over 11 yrs ago. If a TRUE CPP has a legit medical condition that warrants them to be on narcotic therapy for the rest of their life they will never have a problem getting the proper treatment they need, and their docs dont have 2 worry about losing their medical license!! In Florida, pain clinic docs were seeing their patients for roughly 2-5 minutes, c'mon do you really think they were taking the time to examine their patients in such a short time? Because of how crooked those docs were now legit docs and patients have to suffer...I do have a problem for those individual ppl n docs...but the majority were bad, n they knew it!! I mean, docs were seeing ppl from every state in the country for yrs!! Why didn't these so-called ppl in pain go see a doc in their city? Because they didn't have a PROBLEM AND KNEW ALMOST ANY CLINIC FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF $$$ WOULD GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY WANTED!! Tell me im wrong?
Man(or woman)are you ever dead wrong with that statement. ALL and any drugs including heroin should NOT require any prescription or any doctor at all. It is NO one elses business what anyone wants to put in their own body for any reason whatsoever and don't owe you nor anyone else any explanation. For example have you ever heard of mental anguish or pain among other things.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#20 Feb 9, 2012
Hollywooddale wrote:
Birdman, I agree 100% with you that drs are getting a substantial kickback from the pharmeutical companies. All in all just about everything about this industry involves money, big money at that. Last year i lived in south Florida for several months and you are absolutely correct about the pain management clinics there. Even last summer these clinics were all over the place, most of them are pill mills. Now they do require you have a Florida Id of some kind but other than that most of them will see you by appointment or even on a walk-in basis and prescribe you what ever it is you want. They charge first time customers around $400-600 cash only. That alone tells you something isn't right. And as you mentioned to be prescribed large amounts of pain meds like Oxy or Dilaudid there should be some medical reason for it. So for an extra $250.00 most of them will make an mri appear with your name on it. Once again money is behind all of this. I agree again that if you are a legitimate pain management patient you don't have much to worry about. Pain meds will always be available and honest drs are out there that can assist you on managing your pain. I myself have discovered that much of the pain i suffer from is mental, now don't get me wrong i do have pain issues but if i don't focus on those issues my pain doesn't seem to be as bad.
At least the part of your statement '...Pain meds will always be available...' is NOT correct - is driving 100's of miles trying umpteen or 100's of doctors and/or pharmacies till you may(but probably even still not) have success ?
ItsToughOutThere

United States

#21 Feb 9, 2012
It's unfortunate what is happening in Florida. I think it will get worse before it gets better. Look at the two CVS pharmacies that lost their DEA registrations...those two pharmacies were responsible for filling a combined 3 MILLION UNITS of oxycodone in 2011, and the average pharmacy only orders about 78 THOUSAND units per year. There is something really wrong there, but there will be a backlash from this that will only further hurt CPPs that need their prescriptions. The pharmaceutical company that distributed the oxycodone, Cardinal Health, was also losing its DEA registration, but got a court to agree to allow them to continue to distribute scheduled drugs to other pharmacies. What a mess, and it only seems to be getting worse.

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