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Pit bull ban: Ban pit bulls - they don't belong here

There are 1038 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Jun 2, 2009, titled Pit bull ban: Ban pit bulls - they don't belong here. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Please spare me the typical animal lovers cliche about pit bulls, Nicole. Don't give me the blather about "It's not the dog that's bad, it's the owner's fault.

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Ken Foster

New Orleans, LA

#1 Jun 3, 2009
It is unfortunate that this "columnist" wasn't held to the basic standards of journalism. His main argument hinges on quoting a flawed CDC study. If, as any true journalist would, he had actually gone to the CDC website, he would know that the even the CDC doesn't consider the study accurate, and they have a disclaimer on their site saying that the study should never be quoted or used.

A little research might have also uncovered a number of other helpful facts, including research that shows that in the past several decades, dog attacks can be attributed to a handful of common factors: function of the dog; reproductive status; and owner responsibility. In fact, a few years ago we were all going to be killed by Dobermans, and before that German shepherds and before that Bloodhounds. But the very rare danger of a serious dog attack isn't limited to a particular breed, as records show retrievers, labs, and even poodles have attacked. Should we not be concerned with those incidents as well?

If the goal is to keep people safe from dog bites, then enforcement of current laws regarding dangerous dogs should do the trick, including basic leash laws. Yet most law enforcement and animal control officers seem to ignore reports of stray dogs or neglected/abused animals...until its too late.
Jeff

Hialeah, FL

#2 Jun 3, 2009
Great! Now the government will be able to tell me what type of dog I can own. It's a dog, not a bengle tiger you moron. What about rotwielers, doberman, chows? The ban should be placed on any person convicted of a felony or a violent crime. Treat it just like a gun law. That way you would keep these dogs out of the hands of the drug dealing trash that ruin it for the rest of us responsible people.
spike

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#4 Jun 3, 2009
Pitbulls are dangerous and can turn on anybody at anytime and should be banned from south fla. So, if they aren't banned, I think the owner should have to get liability insurance, say 1,000,000 worth, because if your dog eats my child's or pet's or my face off, you as the owner should have to pay for the damage. simple. Of course, this would be after i kill the dog..
Stu

Glenview, IL

#5 Jun 3, 2009
Stupid people (those who own large powerful dogs they do not socialize and allow to be become frustrated by mistreating them or chanining them to the side of a house) have MANY ways to put their neighbors in danger. These are the same morons who:

1. Drink and drive
2. Shoot their guns into the air on 4th of July
3. Throw glass objects out their car windows
4. Park on the street, creating blind corners
5. Set off fireworks in the middle of a public road
6. Change lanes without looking
7. etc.

Banning pitbulls will not solve anything.
Checked with the CDC

Essex, Canada

#6 Jun 3, 2009
Statement released by the CDC (re oft cited Study used to justify BSL)
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-c...

Statement released by the AVMA (re oft cited CDC Study)
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/wp-c...

Florida Info
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/in-y...
Knowledge is Power

United States

#7 Jun 3, 2009
The "National Canine Research Council" is one person, a pit bull owner who spends her time trying to justify owning pits. She is a self published author because of her biased reports and opinions. No reputable publishing house picked up on her even for the second book because she is so biased.
And this report says it all"
Seattle, Washington (April 22, 2009)-- DogsBite.org , a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, releases its first multi-year report on U.S. dog bite fatalities. The report covers a 3-year period -- from January 1, 2006 to December 31, 2008 -- and analyzes data gathered from 88 dog bite incidences that caused death to a U.S. citizen.
The report documents dog breed information, property information (where the attack occurred) as well as dog bite victim age information.
Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org , pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59%(52). This is equivalent to a pit bull killing a U.S. citizen every 21 days during this 3-year period. The data also shows that pit bulls commit the vast majority of off-property attacks that result in death. Only 18%(16) of the attacks occurred off owner property, yet pit bulls were responsible for 81%(13).
Pit bulls are also more likely to kill an adult than a child. In the 3-year period, pit bulls killed more adults (ages 21 and over), 54%, than they did children (ages 11 and younger), 46%. In the 21-54 age group, pit bulls were responsible for 82%(14) of the deaths. The data indicates that pit bulls do not only kill children and senior citizens; they kill men and women in their prime years as well.
The report also shows that of the six victim age groups documented, the 55 and older group suffered the most fatalities 26%(23), followed by the 2-4 age group 22%(19). Between the ages of 0-4, the study reveals that 14%(12) of the fatal attacks involved a "watcher," a person such as a grandparent or babysitter watching the child. Of these attacks, 75%(9) involved a grandparent type.
Or this:
Seattle, Washington (June 3, 2009)-- DogsBite.org , a national dog bite victims’ group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks by creating common sense laws, releases its 2008 report on pit bulls shot for public safety reasons. The 20-page report documents 373 incidences in which U.S. law enforcement officers and citizens were forced to shoot a dangerous pit bull to prevent an attack or to stop an ongoing attack.
The report tracked 12 data aspects per incident. Of the 373 incidences, 626 bullets were fired and 319 pit bulls were killed. 148 people suffered bite injury in these incidences as well. In at least three instances, the bite injury resulted in amputation. In six instances, the bite injury resulted in death. The findings also show that firearm intervention might have prevented at least eight deaths by a pit bull mauling in this period.
According to the report, 43 U.S. states had at least one shooting. States with the highest number of shootings include: California (37), Texas (32), Florida (24), Illinois (23) Ohio (23), Pennsylvania (20), Washington (15) and Indiana (13). Of the U.S. cities documented, Omaha had the most shootings (9), all of which occurred within a 6-month period, followed by Chicago (7) and a group of U.S. cities each reporting four.
Information for the 12-month report was gathered through online media sources -- Google News Alerts and web searches -- at the time of the shooting. Extensive Internet searches were not performed to find the 373 incidences.
Dog Trainer View

Deerfield Beach, FL

#8 Jun 3, 2009
Wow! And where exactly did you get your degree in dog behavior?
As a professional dog trainer, I can promise you, that out of the over 5000 dogs I have trained in the past 30 yrs, the most aggressive breed to date? Dacshund.
The problem, does, indeed lie with humans, not dogs.
If you do not have proper pack leadership, boundries, you are going to have a dog that has the potential to bite.
Get a greedy idiot who has never bred a dog before decide to breed brother and sister together...and wham, you have some screwed up in the head dogs....all in the name of the almighty dollar.
Get a bunch of Pompano Pit Bulls and their "@#$%^" who put spiked collars on the dogs, etc...and you perpetuate the image of stupidity.
Before you get on your high horse, google the UKC and find a dog show in Florida and go watch it. You will meet a lot of "American Pit Bull Terriers" that are properly bred, not dog/human aggressive, and well cared for, and well bred.
Again, it's not the dogs, it's the stupidity of the humans who want a "red nosed pit"(that was a fluke that should not have been bred), or who wants a "Razor Back Pit"(downright ugly dogs)
When it comes to what breeds can kill a dog....
Several years ago a Pomeranian killed an infant. All it takes is a nasty bite from a Llasa Apso to kill an elderly person(infection, or falling and breaking a hip).
Yes, while there are some bad dogs, there are also bad humans. Personally, I think human breeding should be banned.
think it would be wonderful if the following were inacted, and you left my dogs alone....
1) If you don't have an IQ of at least 170, you are automatically spayed/neutered.
2) If you have an IQ of 170 or higher, you must make at least $500,000 NET, in order to remain intact.
3) Since it costs approximately $30,000.00 a year to house an inmate, if you meet the criteria in items 1 and 2, you must pay $30,000.00 for the rights to remain intact.
4) You are only allowed to have 2 children. You must pay $15,000 per year, per child(why should I have to pay to educate your kids, if I have none).
5) If you "accidentally" have more than 2 children, you must adopt the others out. Adopters must meet the criteria in 1 & 2 and pay a substantial adoption fee to a local charity for your stupidity.
5) All children will be IQ tested at the age of 6 yrs. Those without an IQ of at least 150, will be IMMEDIATELY Spayed/neutered. All others may remain intact until the age of 10 yrs, at which time, they will be IQ tested again. At that time, if their IQ isn't at least 170, then they must be spayed/neutered within 14 days.
6) At the age of 16, you will begin paying $30,000.00 per year for the rights to keep your child intact, since, again, that is what it costs to maintain human inmates on a yearly basis in prison.
Now, you want to pass this "mandatory speuter law" on animals(BTW, you need to include, horses, cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens, cats, goats, etc, in that law)(And, since the majority of animals euthanized are feral cats, well.....)But, you don't understand the following:
1) YOu are following the party line of the HSUS and PETA who would prefer that no one owns any animals of any kind, ever. And, since you can't tell if a dog is breeding quality at 4 months of age(they should at least be 18 months, fully grown and have all health certifications and titles on both ends), then that would mean ALL animals would have to be speutered.
2) Early Speutering can cause serious medical problems in dogs. Do your research. If you don't believe it, well, then you obviously have an IQ of less than 170, and should be speutered, yourself.
And, lastly, this:
AVERAGE # OF PEOPLE KILLED IN AMERICA EVERY YEAR:
by:
Cigarettes -- 440,000
Automobiles -- 42,366
Second Hand Smoke -- 35,000
Guns -- 29,338
Pit Bulls -- 3
** Which would YOU ban.....??
Dog Trainer View

Deerfield Beach, FL

#9 Jun 3, 2009
Personally, I think human breeding should be banned.
think it would be wonderful if the following were inacted, and you left my dogs alone....
1) If you don't have an IQ of at least 170, you are automatically spayed/neutered.
2) If you have an IQ of 170 or higher, you must make at least $500,000 NET, in order to remain intact.
3) Since it costs approximately $30,000.00 a year to house an inmate, if you meet the criteria in items 1 and 2, you must pay $30,000.00 for the rights to remain intact.
4) You are only allowed to have 2 children. You must pay $15,000 per year, per child(why should I have to pay to educate your kids, if I have none).
5) If you "accidentally" have more than 2 children, you must adopt the others out. Adopters must meet the criteria in 1 & 2 and pay a substantial adoption fee to a local charity for your stupidity.
5) All children will be IQ tested at the age of 6 yrs. Those without an IQ of at least 150, will be IMMEDIATELY Spayed/neutered. All others may remain intact until the age of 10 yrs, at which time, they will be IQ tested again. At that time, if their IQ isn't at least 170, then they must be spayed/neutered within 14 days.
6) At the age of 16, you will begin paying $30,000.00 per year for the rights to keep your child intact, since, again, that is what it costs to maintain human inmates on a yearly basis in prison.
Now, you want to pass this "mandatory speuter law" on animals(BTW, you need to include, horses, cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens, cats, goats, etc, in that law)(And, since the majority of animals euthanized are feral cats, well.....)But, you don't understand the following:
1) YOu are following the party line of the HSUS and PETA who would prefer that no one owns any animals of any kind, ever. And, since you can't tell if a dog is breeding quality at 4 months of age(they should at least be 18 months, fully grown and have all health certifications and titles on both ends), then that would mean ALL animals would have to be speutered.
2) Early Speutering can cause serious medical problems in dogs. Do your research. If you don't believe it, well, then you obviously have an IQ of less than 170, and should be speutered, yourself.
Cool Breeze

Palos Hills, IL

#10 Jun 3, 2009
spike wrote:
Pitbulls are dangerous and can turn on anybody at anytime and should be banned from south fla. So, if they aren't banned, I think the owner should have to get liability insurance, say 1,000,000 worth, because if your dog eats my child's or pet's or my face off, you as the owner should have to pay for the damage. simple. Of course, this would be after i kill the dog..
An Oklahoma family credits their dog DBoy with protecting them from a gun-wielding intruder who barged into their home. Roberta Trawick says her pit bull leapt to defend her and her family.

The intruder, who is still at large, "came in, pointed a gun at me and said,‘Get down on the ground'," Trawick told Oklahoma City’s News 9. Then, Trawick says DBoy immediately ran in from another room and was ready to attack. The gunman shot DBoy three times -- twice in the head -- before running off after apparently being spooked by the dog.

"It is amazing, it's amazing that he went after that guy, and that I still have a family," family member Angelic Shoemaker told News 9.

"The vet said if it wasn't for his hard head he wouldn't be here," Trawick said. The family was able to pay for DBoy’s medical bills through donations, the report said.

"I'm sorry my dog got shot, but I still got my family and we still got our dog," a tearful Shoemaker told News 9. Trawick's father reportedly rescued 2-year-old dog from an abusive home just three months before the break-in.

Study the facts,Blame the owners,not the deed,Or the Breed! Enjoy the above,there are thousands of cases where this breed has been decorated for brave acts,and saved countless lives of their owners!
It sure is

Essex, Canada

#11 Jun 3, 2009
Re the site dogsbite

Portion of comment left by Canine Fatality Investigator Jim Crosby on linked blog below

[quote]...The author is not remotely interested in accuracy-I have sent several comments correcting 'facts' from having been on scene-and they never appear....Dogbites is nothing more than a hate fueled site with a clear agenda to warp the truth and destroy a breed of dog based on the authors personal feelings.[/quote]

"When a quest for vengeance becomes dangerous"

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2008/0...
Cool Breeze

Palos Hills, IL

#12 Jun 3, 2009
It sure is wrote:
Re the site dogsbite
Portion of comment left by Canine Fatality Investigator Jim Crosby on linked blog below
[quote]...The author is not remotely interested in accuracy-I have sent several comments correcting 'facts' from having been on scene-and they never appear....Dogbites is nothing more than a hate fueled site with a clear agenda to warp the truth and destroy a breed of dog based on the authors personal feelings.[/quote]
"When a quest for vengeance becomes dangerous"
http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2008/0...
These people just hate dogs,And take any opportunity to express their hatred,You can not reason with them,they are too lazy,sick minded to do any research before posting their ignorant crap,Resulting in the death of thousands of innocent dogs,The Media is a huge culprit in this issue,whipping up hysterical responses from low intellect individuals who only get their info from TV etc..Keep up the fight its Gods work,And St Frances of Assisi would be proud of you!
Cool Breeze

Palos Hills, IL

#13 Jun 3, 2009
"Benny defended my dad to the end. He gave his life for my dad," Henrickson's

18-year-old daughter, Krista, wrote in a letter to the Tribune.

"My dad is so upset. I am too, but mainly because I almost had lost my dad," she said.

Henrickson and his friends said they wanted to share their story -- accounts all verified by Oakland police -- because they are tired of hearing only pit bull horror stories in the media.

"There is nothing that can bring Benny back, I know," Krista wrote. "But I can't stop the tears. I held my dad while he cried and he did the same (for me)."

Henrickson and his girlfriend, Amanda Zamacona, found Benny on Halloween morning about five years ago about 30 feet from where he was killed.

He was scared, skinny and full of fleas, the two recalled this week while sitting in Henrickson's kitchen, a marked-up pit bull calendar on the wall and a big-framed photo of Benny that Zamacona made him as a memorial atop a counter.

Benny had crawled under a parked car on the corner to escape police.

"They couldn't coax him out for anything," Henrickson said. He has had dogs, mostly pit bulls, for 27 years.

He said he walked up to the 10-month-old stray and said, "Come on, big boy."

Benny came right out, so Henrickson slipped a rope leash around his neck and told police he'd take it from there.

"He walked just perfect with me all the way to my house," Henrickson said.

"Poor dog," Henrickson said. "He was a real soldier. He gave his life for mine."

Police said it is highly unusual for robbers to mug someone walking with dogs, particularly two big pit bulls. And definitely not very smart.

"If they were smart, they wouldn't be criminals," Sgt. Caesar Basa said.

Contact Susan McDonough at [email protected]
Cool Breeze

Palos Hills, IL

#14 Jun 3, 2009
off the attacker.

A barking dog and an alert woman scared off a pervert in Queens after he lured a girl into a backyard by promising to show her worms, police and witnesses said yesterday.

"Mommy! Daddy!" the 7-year-old girl screamed as she fought off her attacker between two garages about 7:45 p.m. Friday. "Help me!"

Her cries for help startled a dog on the other side of a fence. Bleu, a mixed pit bull, began barking incessantly, which brought his owner, Heather Fretes, to the window.

"He was going wild barking," Fretes said. "I looked out and I saw two people. The girl was screaming."

Fretes ran outside and yelled at the man, who witnesses said had been watching the girl and her friend before the attack. The suspect tore down part of a fence to escape the backyard on 171st St. in Flushing. The girl wept as she told Fretes about the attack.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2007...
Baby Shaker

Pompano Beach, FL

#15 Jun 3, 2009
Gary Stein, you are a moron. Please educate yourself before making any more comments.
In the 2008 ATTS Temperament Test, the American Pitbull Terrier scored higher than the Golden Retriever.
Go figure, huh??
A Good Start

Essex, Canada

#16 Jun 3, 2009
Pit Bull Placebo:The Media,Myths and Politics of Canine Aggression

Available online
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/ncrc...
Met

Hialeah, FL

#18 Jun 3, 2009
The problem is the MEDIA!!!! Plain and simple...
It's not the Dog, it's not the owner...

This dog suffers from one major flaw... the EXTREME desire to please it's master. If the Master is an EXTREME A-Hole the dog is an EXTREME A-Hole... and vice versa.

So, because the Media basically made it the most popular breed in America and even the world... there are people who have no business owning a Pit Bull getting a Pit Bull and usually for all the wrong reasons.

Going back to the EXTREMES: In areas where there is an over population of A-HOLES you end up with an over population of A-Hole Pits....

I've had American Pit Bull Terriers for the majority of my life... I've never had an issue.

Why not just ban Dangerous dogs, not a whole Breed, because of the actions of a few A-Holes...?
Jenni13

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Jun 3, 2009
To all the level-headed, intelligent people on this thread... please just disregard any emails from people like “Knowledge is Power”-- who is posting on other comments threads as "Pit Victim." This person is from a small group of crazies that belong to DogsBite.org —a ridiculously offensive, slanted, arrogant organization that continually resorts to lying and posting false stats and information to try to have pit bulls banned in this country. Just ignore them. Unfortunately they won’t go away, but don’t engage them. It just gives them more of a platform to spread their lies and viciousness.
Bill37

Miami, FL

#21 Jun 3, 2009
When you see a pit on a leash you know there's a stupid jackazz on both ends.
Peaceful

Pompano Beach, FL

#22 Jun 3, 2009
While we are at it lets ban ignorant people! You drive a gas guzzler that pollutes the environment? Lets ban those too! Those cigarettes you smoke kill a lot of people, lets ban that too. Alcohol kills a lot of people, ban it! If you drive your car too fast and recklessly you might kill someone, ban all fast cars! All of these things can inflict harm on others yet you will never see them banned. Good luck changing the state law on banning specific breeds! South Florida might have a lot Democrats that agree with you but I'm pretty sure the state is mostly republicans. Don't waste your time on trivial state issues. Instead focus your energy on things you can actually change and improve on the local level.
Bo Peep

Tibbie, AL

#23 Jun 3, 2009
Wow, I hope the ban is not put into place. I have a Rottie and according to the statistics, they are second in line for fatalities.
My dog has been socialized, loved and schmoozed on so much that if she sees people, she associates them with buddies and same goes for other animals.
She has a high prey drive, but we are constantly keeping her in check with it regarding wildlife and other animals that "run" by or from her.
There are certain aspects of the breed where you have to be constantly on them and you have to be responsible and keep them on leashes at all times outdoors and be very aware of your surroundings. You just cannot take them out there, chain them up and never socialize with them because you're asking for a real problem that will land on your doorstep either with other people, their pets or your own family.
The IRRESPONSIBLE owners should lose their right to own any dog like this. They make it difficult for the rest of us.

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