A Tactic to Hush the Scandal?

A Tactic to Hush the Scandal?

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BEAR JEW

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Jan 23, 2010
There is another suspicious facet to this story. When the Corriere della Sera reprinted excerpts from the Brazilian priest’s diary on November 21, the article shocked Italian public opinion.

Then, suddenly - two days later - the long-awaited document on homosexuals in the clergy was published before its scheduled date. Indeed, someone “leaked” it to Adista bulletin, which published it on November 23 six days ahead of the scheduled release. Italian public attention immediately turned from the escalating scandal to the document.

It seems a good tactic to avoid facing the problem of pedophilia.

One could object: But at least the Vatican document was against homosexual priest. Therefore, it already provides a solution for part of the problem.

But did the document really attack homosexuals in the seminarians? I don’t think so. Rather, it seems to me it left the situation in the exact same condition it was before this recent Vatican document.

The scandalous facts revealed in the Brazilian clergy - added to those we know in the American clergy - seem to speak of a “subculture” of pedophilia that could well exist among priests, similar to the so-called “gay subculture.”

Who is protecting both of these sordid blocs?
BEAR JEW

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Jan 23, 2010
Look they even have policies on diddling kids!

Universal Decalogue of Impunity

The general policy of Church authorities regarding crimes of pedophilia
committed by the clergy was summarized in this “Universal Decalogue of Impunity” published by Istoé newsmagazine, November 16, 2005
(Isto é, is the Portuguese for "That’s it").

Make a discrete investigation of what occurred.
After acknowledging the sexual abuse and agreeing that the image of the Church would be damaged, initiate talks with the aggressor and victim. The Bishops should strive to convince the victims and their families that the aggressor was punished and will be stopped and to persuade them not to continue with the denunciation in order not to damage the reputation of the Church or themselves.
Cover the facts and the aggressor before the public.
Take measures to insure secrecy. The Hierarchy should adopt a canonical measure against the aggressor, only in order to defend itself from an eventual accusation of passivity.
Deny that it occurred, using the argument that the priest, called by God, is a man of virtue, a holy figure. When it is not possible to deny the fact, treat it as an exception.
Make a public defense of the aggressor, emphasizing his good services rendered to the Church. Appeal to the Christian sentiment of pardon for the repentant sinner.
Make a public disqualification of the victims and their conditions.
Attribute the denunciations to paranoid campaigns orchestrated by “enemies of the Church”
Consider the possibility of negotiation with the victim.
Protect the aggressor priest.
Clifford E Hobbs

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Jun 23, 2010
Charges of sex crimes against minors were filed in Spokane Co. against 4 members of the hedonistic sect, C.E. Hobbs Foundation of Religious Training and Education. Two members were previously charged with similar offenses in Pend Oreille Co. Young women reported being sexually exploited as teenagers by adult church members during " sharing sessions " condoned by founder Clifford E. Hobbs. Officials are probing a transfer of the church's $10 million complex to a family trust, to protect Hobbs from civil lawsuits or IRS action. Hobbs, a steelworker-turned-evangelist who transferred his Illinois church to Washington in 1976, hasn't been charged with any crimes.
Clifford E Hobbs

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Jun 28, 2010
Like clockwork I post some factual articles about members of the church molesting young children and this guy does his best to cover it up.

Why do you suppose he would do that?
Monsignor John Doogan

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Jul 12, 2010
The Seattle Roman Catholic Archdiocese recently settled two lawsuits in which plaintiffs said that, as adults, they were the subjects of sexual abuse or inappropriate conduct by priests.

In the first case, a Pierce County woman, identified in the lawsuit as Jane Doe, said she was abused by Monsignor John Doogan in the mid-1970s when Doogan served as chancellor for the Seattle Archdiocese.

Doogan, who helped found and then served as the first principal of Bishop Blanchet and John F. Kennedy Memorial high schools, died in 2003.

In the lawsuit, Doe says she was abused by Doogan when she went to him for spiritual direction and counseling. At the time, she was a nun employed as an educator in the Seattle Archdiocese.

The lawsuit says the archdiocese produced letters that show Doogan had a sexual relationship with at least one other woman he had counseled.

In the second case, a King County man identified in the lawsuit as David Johns said the Rev. Jeffrey Sarkies engaged in inappropriate sexual activity with him under the guise of providing therapy and guidance. Johns, who was 24 at the time, had sought spiritual direction from Sarkies starting in 2004.

Sarkies abruptly resigned as pastor of West Seattle's Holy Rosary Church in 2006. The archdiocese said at the time that Sarkies had violated professional ethics policy in the area of sexual misconduct and harassment. It also restricted Sarkies from functioning as a priest in the archdiocese.

Sarkies, who is now living in Arizona, denies Johns' allegation, according to Sarkies' attorney.

In both lawsuits, the Seattle Archdiocese had contended that it should not be held liable because the relationships were between consenting adults.

The plaintiffs had argued that because Doogan and Sarkies were providing spiritual direction or counseling, they were acting in positions of trust and power and that therefore the relationships were not consensual.

The settlements were reached last month before a King County Superior Court judge could rule on that issue.

Neither the Seattle Archdiocese nor plaintiffs' attorneys would reveal the amounts of the settlements.
Woodroe Wilson

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Jul 19, 2010
A part-time minister for two United Methodist churches was charged Thursday on accusations that he raped a teenage girl while the two were on their way to church functions.
Woodroe Wilson admitted to fathering the girl's 8-month-old child, authorities said.

The 60-year-old Summit man was arraigned Thursday on one count of first-degree rape even though investigators believe he had sex with the girl more than once. He is in the Muskogee County Jail awaiting $100,000 bail.

"There are venue issues," prosecutor Jeff Sheridan said. "There could be charges in other counties."

Wilson served as lay missioner for two area churches -- Yeager Mission United Methodist Church in Hughes County and Thewarley United Methodist Church in Seminole County. Although a lay missioner is not an ordained minister, Wilson would preach on alternate Sundays at the churches.

"We have some of our smaller churches that don't have licensed, ordained persons to pastor, so we use lay persons to serve," said David Wilson, superintendent for the Oklahoma Indian Missionary Conference of the United Methodist Church. The two Wilsons are not related.

"They do the preaching but cannot do the sacraments," David Wilson said. "We do trainings for lay missioners about twice a year."

The Muskogee County Sheriff's Office became aware of the alleged sexual relationship after the girl and her mother visited deputies on Monday. Deputy Tim Brown called Wilson in the next day and arrested him later that morning.

"The only thing he did was admit this had happened and, yes, this was his child," Brown said. "Getting details was a little difficult."

Nonetheless, investigators contend that Wilson raped the girl a number of times since she was at least 14 years old. She is now 17.

"The way he tells it is it was consensual," Brown said. "A 13- to 14-year-old girl can't consent."

Wilson, who is married, knew the girl because she and his stepdaughter were friends, the deputy said. The two families would attend church functions together, with Wilson and the girl reportedly traveling in a different vehicle from the others.

The alleged sexual encounters occurred "en route to and from church outings," Brown said. "None of this occurred in the homes or in the church."

The victim's family apparently decided to wait on talking to authorities after DNA testing revealed that Wilson fathered the girl's child.

United Methodist Church officials have asked Wilson to step down from his role in the churches, according to reports.
Woodroe Wilson

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Jul 22, 2010
The Catholic Church says it has no national database of accused priests. Kathleen McChesney of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, says bishops disagree on whether they should have that kind of database.

(AP) A lawyer has compiled a list of 2,600 Roman Catholic priests nationwide who have been accused of sexual misconduct against children and plans to post it online by early next year.

Sylvia Demarest, a Dallas lawyer, and her staff spent 11 years on the list, which a victims' rights advocate says may encourage those who were abused to come forward.

"This is just a huge public service," said David Clohessy, executive director of Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. "I'm thrilled it will be in good hands and will be accessible, and won't sit idly on a shelf."

He said those with questions about backgrounds of individual priests can use the list for research.

Demarest said the database of alleged "priest perpetrators" and other Catholic officials who have been accused of sexually abusing children was assembled from public sources, such as court filings and media reports. The entries will list names of those accused and the time, place and nature of the alleged misconduct as well as whether a lawsuit or criminal charges resulted.

It is believed to be the only database of national scope that identifies individual priests. Demarest said she started working on it in 1993 while representing clients molested by a Dallas priest.

According to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the church has no national database.

"There is a difference of opinion among the bishops as to whether one should be maintained at the national level. That has not been resolved," said Kathleen McChesney, executive director of the Office of Child and Youth Protection for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Woodroe Wilson

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Aug 9, 2010
The first step in fixing this so-called "mysterious evil" is to call it what it is. The second step is to let the civilian courts deal with it, as they would for any non-priest case of child abuse. It is disheartening to me to realize that such prosecution will ultimately occur to the errant priests not because of religious, moral or ethical concerns, but because of intense media scrutiny of the Catholic Church.
Stolen Childhood

United States

#9 Sep 14, 2011
Clifford E Hobbs wrote:
Like clockwork I post some factual articles about members of the church molesting young children and this guy does his best to cover it up.
Why do you suppose he would do that?
He did it because he was guilty. My parents attended his church in Illinois in the 60's. I was about 7 when he started molesting me and the female named in the 1989 Sex Abuse Scandal talked about in the Spokesman Review of Spokane, WA. I intend to write detailed book on my
experiences, even though Clifford has been dead since 1991.
Me Too

Aurora, IN

#10 Oct 23, 2012
To the Author of this comment.
Please contact me via email, I also attended the church in Lansing. I may or may not know you. I also traveled to Spokane, lived there a short time, and returned.
Please Identify your self and I will tell you who I am regardless if we knew each other while attending the same church.
email [email protected]
Thank You
Stolen Childhood wrote:
<quoted text>
He did it because he was guilty. My parents attended his church in Illinois in the 60's. I was about 7 when he started molesting me and the female named in the 1989 Sex Abuse Scandal talked about in the Spokesman Review of Spokane, WA. I intend to write detailed book on my
experiences, even though Clifford has been dead since 1991.
Tank77

Washington, DC

#11 Jan 28, 2013
Clifford E Hobbs wrote:
Charges of sex crimes against minors were filed in Spokane Co. against 4 members of the hedonistic sect, C.E. Hobbs Foundation of Religious Training and Education. Two members were previously charged with similar offenses in Pend Oreille Co. Young women reported being sexually exploited as teenagers by adult church members during " sharing sessions " condoned by founder Clifford E. Hobbs. Officials are probing a transfer of the church's $10 million complex to a family trust, to protect Hobbs from civil lawsuits or IRS action. Hobbs, a steelworker-turned-evangelist who transferred his Illinois church to Washington in 1976, hasn't been charged with any crimes.
I would be interested in communicating with you directly about this posting. I have first-hand knowledge of this "church". Thanks
Amy

Spokane, WA

#12 Sep 24, 2013
Clifford E Hobbs wrote:
Like clockwork I post some factual articles about members of the church molesting young children and this guy does his best to cover it up.
Why do you suppose he would do that?
I was there... I left when I was 19, but I was there my whole childhood. If you would like to contact me...my email is [email protected]
Tamie

Lacey, WA

#13 Feb 24, 2014
Stolen Childhood wrote:
<quoted text>
He did it because he was guilty. My parents attended his church in Illinois in the 60's. I was about 7 when he started molesting me and the female named in the 1989 Sex Abuse Scandal talked about in the Spokesman Review of Spokane, WA. I intend to write detailed book on my
experiences, even though Clifford has been dead since 1991.
I would love to talk to you more!!! I have "adopted" a girl also raised in the church and we are trying to find some 1/2 siblings to establish some "family" for her. Please let me know how to reach you.

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