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Local News - Fleming High School Wrestling Team Suspended

There are 53 comments on the First Coast News Jacksonville story from Dec 6, 2007, titled Local News - Fleming High School Wrestling Team Suspended. In it, First Coast News Jacksonville reports that:

Clay County Schools officials say the Fleming High School Wrestling team has been suspended.

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Xman

United States

#45 Dec 11, 2007
dawgs1 wrote:
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Sounds like your son was among the "hog-tied"...lighten up before you turn him into a complete wus. Yet another idiot looking to sue somebody for something out of their control. The boys weren't hurt & if it's a yearly initiation, I'm sure they knew it was coming. Sports initiations (not hazing) are part of sports (like it or not). Many years ago our high school initiated new football players by giving them "cherry bellies". The freshmen knew it was coming, took it, didn't tattle or cry to mommies & dished it out the next year & nobody threatened law suits. As long as no one is being injured, why suspend an entire team for something that's been going on for decades in every sport.
Yeah but it wasn't posted where millions of people could watch it either. If your gonna be stupid you gatta be tough.
Xman

United States

#46 Dec 11, 2007
asdfjkl wrote:
It's sad when uptight parents get a program taken down for initiations. You idiot parents should think about what your sons will go through now. Their mommies had to protect from getting them embarrassed. I guess you'll need to file a lawsuit when a girl shoots him down, does not get accepted into college, or does not get the job he applied for. Some of you guys need to lighten up, unless there is injury. The parents just doomed their children's wrestling career at that school. Trust me I've wrestled and coached kids and parents like these, it's actually sad.
Wow, it's a strange world we live in where people who make stupid decisions can be protected by people who condone bad behavior. Im sure that this has been going on for years but it has no place in our soceity now. But, if it is necessary
dont put it on youtube. If your gonna be stupid you gatta be tough.
jerzeegirl4life

Jacksonville, FL

#47 Dec 11, 2007
flemingstudent wrote:
heard it straight from a wrestler: freshman (i dont know if it was just one or multiple) was hogtied in the gym, somebody videotaped it and put it on youtube, a parent saw it & asked coach to take action
but this is done EVERY YEAR to the new wrestlers and the students it was done to had no qualms regarding the matter... it was the parent
Maybe but I don't think Youtube was out then they were probably keeping it on the low
EX-FI Parent

United States

#48 Dec 12, 2007
What is wrong with you people thinking it is okay for your child, a 15 year old child to be hog tied and have someone ass put in their face, not to mention what else had gone one there. How is it that you find this to be acceptable? Would it be okay if you got a new job and they did this to you, or how about your wife? Why not? It has gone on for years, it is something they do, everyone has gone through this. What are we teaching these children? It is about time the school board put their foot down to these spoiled children, their parents sure don't. I took my son out of F.I. after two years because he would sit in class or the lunch room daily and see kids do drugs, roll joints, pass out drunk in class, daily he would be asked if he would like some. Mr. Sam Ward will not take any stand against it, called Mr. Owens, he said he has no control over it, called the Sheriffs department, spoke to the lead investigator in the narcotics division, I was told that F.I. was the ONLY school in Clay County that would not participate in the drug prevention they have to offer. Mr. Ward absolutley refuses to have any dogs in his school because he does not want to be considered a "drug school". They have some fine teachers there, BUT, for the most part they turn the other cheek, there are no morals, I guess money does talk. We are well off, BUT, I grew up old school and will teach my children the same, my son now goes to a private school because of the FILTH in F.I.
random ear

Tallahassee, FL

#49 Dec 12, 2007
I heard about it and it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal because sometime in life you getan ass in you face (literally and metaphorically) ya know get over it shit happens.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Dec 07

Jacksonville, FL

#50 Dec 12, 2007
random ear wrote:
I heard about it and it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal because sometime in life you getan ass in you face (literally and metaphorically) ya know get over it shit happens.
and it appears to me that you are a perfect candidate to be hogtied and have a line waiting with their drawers dropped to sit on YOUR face.
Go Jags

Middleburg, FL

#51 Dec 12, 2007
EX-FI Parent wrote:
What is wrong with you people thinking it is okay for your child, a 15 year old child to be hog tied and have someone ass put in their face, not to mention what else had gone one there. How is it that you find this to be acceptable? Would it be okay if you got a new job and they did this to you, or how about your wife? Why not? It has gone on for years, it is something they do, everyone has gone through this. What are we teaching these children? It is about time the school board put their foot down to these spoiled children, their parents sure don't. I took my son out of F.I. after two years because he would sit in class or the lunch room daily and see kids do drugs, roll joints, pass out drunk in class, daily he would be asked if he would like some. Mr. Sam Ward will not take any stand against it, called Mr. Owens, he said he has no control over it, called the Sheriffs department, spoke to the lead investigator in the narcotics division, I was told that F.I. was the ONLY school in Clay County that would not participate in the drug prevention they have to offer. Mr. Ward absolutley refuses to have any dogs in his school because he does not want to be considered a "drug school". They have some fine teachers there, BUT, for the most part they turn the other cheek, there are no morals, I guess money does talk. We are well off, BUT, I grew up old school and will teach my children the same, my son now goes to a private school because of the FILTH in F.I.
The lies spread in that Tabloid magazine folio are completely untrue, as is the heresay the author printed in both the wrestling story, and her claims of a "pharmacy at FI"

You too are spreading untruths and it is a fact that drugs are a problem in more than just one Clay County school....

Also take a look at St. Johns and Duval county schools for the drug problem. It is everywhere, and is an epidemic of our country not just FI, get your head out of your donkey!

Private school huh? I went to a private school for two years and lemme tell ya, those kids are worse than any public school kid out there. They have the means to get it, and do it often, don't go all high and mighty on us please.
EX-FI Parent

United States

#52 Dec 13, 2007
"You too are spreading untruths and it is a fact that drugs are a problem in more than just one Clay County school."

If you are going to quote me, please quote me. I never said they are just at one school, I said that Mr. Ward will do nothing about it in FIHS. I have never read or never will read any "Tabloid magazines", so don't tell me where I got my facts. I was speaking from experience. I have nothing against FI with the exception that the people there with the authority to do something refuses to use it. I know EVERY school has drungs, private or not, but what I want to see is a person in charge that will take charge. I was also quoting the Lt. in the Clay County Narcotics Division; for example I was told that Mr. McCabe from Clay High will call in the dogs if too many people complain about drugs, I was told by the same Lt. that OPHS will call for help with gang related issues, that is using what help is available not pretending that a problem does not exist as Mr. Ward does. I would have prefered my child going to public school, BUT they would not allow a transfer. My son started every game in several varsity sports, my point being we are not talking about a child that is shy, quite and timid. If your child comes home and is physcially sick because of the pressure of drugs and you as a parent try to get some help through the school and they wont do anything then there is a major problem. All high and mighty? Get a clue my friend, because I would like to bring my child up in the best possible way, that is all high and mighty? You don't know me or how I raise my children. My children are not allowed a cell phone, can I afford it, yes, but I don't think a child needs a cell phone. Do I have an extra cars in the driveway, yes, do I let my child drive to school or out to hand out? No, they can take the bus like the rest of the free world and know what it is like to work for what they have. So, Mr. or Mrs. Go Jags, perhaps you should get your head out of the donkey. Just because someone has a little money saved does not mean they are "all high and mighty" I put my pants on the same way you do.
Go Jags

Middleburg, FL

#53 Dec 13, 2007
EX-FI Parent wrote:
"You too are spreading untruths and it is a fact that drugs are a problem in more than just one Clay County school."
If you are going to quote me, please quote me. I never said they are just at one school, I said that Mr. Ward will do nothing about it in FIHS. I have never read or never will read any "Tabloid magazines", so don't tell me where I got my facts. I was speaking from experience. I have nothing against FI with the exception that the people there with the authority to do something refuses to use it. I know EVERY school has drungs, private or not, but what I want to see is a person in charge that will take charge. I was also quoting the Lt. in the Clay County Narcotics Division; for example I was told that Mr. McCabe from Clay High will call in the dogs if too many people complain about drugs, I was told by the same Lt. that OPHS will call for help with gang related issues, that is using what help is available not pretending that a problem does not exist as Mr. Ward does. I would have prefered my child going to public school, BUT they would not allow a transfer. My son started every game in several varsity sports, my point being we are not talking about a child that is shy, quite and timid. If your child comes home and is physcially sick because of the pressure of drugs and you as a parent try to get some help through the school and they wont do anything then there is a major problem. All high and mighty? Get a clue my friend, because I would like to bring my child up in the best possible way, that is all high and mighty? You don't know me or how I raise my children. My children are not allowed a cell phone, can I afford it, yes, but I don't think a child needs a cell phone. Do I have an extra cars in the driveway, yes, do I let my child drive to school or out to hand out? No, they can take the bus like the rest of the free world and know what it is like to work for what they have. So, Mr. or Mrs. Go Jags, perhaps you should get your head out of the donkey. Just because someone has a little money saved does not mean they are "all high and mighty" I put my pants on the same way you do.
I quoted what you said, what more do you want me to do?

You sure inferred that FI had a much bigger problem than other schools, and by taking your child to a private school you also inferred that there are no drugs, or less drugs there. That is big time false.
Go Jags

Middleburg, FL

#54 Dec 13, 2007
EX-FI Parent wrote:
"You too are spreading untruths and it is a fact that drugs are a problem in more than just one Clay County school."
If you are going to quote me, please quote me. I never said they are just at one school, I said that Mr. Ward will do nothing about it in FIHS. I have never read or never will read any "Tabloid magazines", so don't tell me where I got my facts. I was speaking from experience. I have nothing against FI with the exception that the people there with the authority to do something refuses to use it. I know EVERY school has drungs, private or not, but what I want to see is a person in charge that will take charge. I was also quoting the Lt. in the Clay County Narcotics Division; for example I was told that Mr. McCabe from Clay High will call in the dogs if too many people complain about drugs, I was told by the same Lt. that OPHS will call for help with gang related issues, that is using what help is available not pretending that a problem does not exist as Mr. Ward does. I would have prefered my child going to public school, BUT they would not allow a transfer. My son started every game in several varsity sports, my point being we are not talking about a child that is shy, quite and timid. If your child comes home and is physcially sick because of the pressure of drugs and you as a parent try to get some help through the school and they wont do anything then there is a major problem. All high and mighty? Get a clue my friend, because I would like to bring my child up in the best possible way, that is all high and mighty? You don't know me or how I raise my children. My children are not allowed a cell phone, can I afford it, yes, but I don't think a child needs a cell phone. Do I have an extra cars in the driveway, yes, do I let my child drive to school or out to hand out? No, they can take the bus like the rest of the free world and know what it is like to work for what they have. So, Mr. or Mrs. Go Jags, perhaps you should get your head out of the donkey. Just because someone has a little money saved does not mean they are "all high and mighty" I put my pants on the same way you do.
And there have been dogs to FI on more than one occassion...fact, look it up.
EX-FI Parent

United States

#55 Dec 14, 2007
once again, you insist on bashing me on something you don't have a clue about. I did not say there has NEVER been dogs there. If you are going to do this, why don't you call up to the Sheriffs department, narcotics division and ACT as if you are a concerned parent and see what they have to say, ask about other schools, you will see. Perhaps you can even call Mr. Owens and see what he has to say, ask him why there are so many complaint and you really don't see anything happening. Don't take my word for it, do some research yourself rather than sit there behind your little computer and type. Get informed properly, straight from the source(s). I have no reason to lie, I am friends with many teachers there, even have an aunt that is a teacher there, and EVERYTHING I said is factual. Most of the teachers are great, they just have their hands tied. Good Lord, relax.
Go Jags

Middleburg, FL

#56 Dec 14, 2007
EX-FI Parent wrote:
once again, you insist on bashing me on something you don't have a clue about. I did not say there has NEVER been dogs there. If you are going to do this, why don't you call up to the Sheriffs department, narcotics division and ACT as if you are a concerned parent and see what they have to say, ask about other schools, you will see. Perhaps you can even call Mr. Owens and see what he has to say, ask him why there are so many complaint and you really don't see anything happening. Don't take my word for it, do some research yourself rather than sit there behind your little computer and type. Get informed properly, straight from the source(s). I have no reason to lie, I am friends with many teachers there, even have an aunt that is a teacher there, and EVERYTHING I said is factual. Most of the teachers are great, they just have their hands tied. Good Lord, relax.
I have done research. I know what the admin has done as far as drugs go.

The Sheriffs department, narcotics division have their opinions just like everyone else. You just take someones word for what they think? Or just take what you want to hear and twist it to fit your agenda?

Mr. Ward does a ton when it comes to crimes in his school, particularly drugs.

And hey hypocrite, you are sitting "behind your little computer" and typing too....Again, take your agenda and go somewhere else.
John Van Vactor

United States

#57 Dec 17, 2007
I do not have a dog in this battle. I was involved in a hazing/initiation in 1975. It resulted in one of my classmates becoming paralyzed. I can only tell you that there is not a week that goes by that I do not think about what happened.

I have coached on different levels in different sports; wrestling, softball, and baseball. Our initiations in baseball and softball was having the underclassmen pull equipment duty for their freshmen year. In wrestling, it was stepping onto the mat for the first time in practice (after I had rolled it out, swept it, and cleaned it) and being humiliated by upper classmen, not by tying me up but by their superior technique and strength. This is what initiated me into the sport of wrestling and this is what I have passed on to teams I have coached. These are rites of passages or so-called initiations, not to be confused with humiliating someone for our own pleasure.

I am not sure that closing down a program for a year is appropriate or not, but I can tell you that this has received the attention it needs and I hope the community can move on no matter what the decision is.

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