Bizarre JonBenet' Ramsey update

Mar 3, 2011 Full story: Thomasville Times 559

When I thought about JonBenet Ramsey the other day, I decided to see what had happened recently in the case and what happened to the guy who said he killed her, but investigators said he could not have been at the scene.

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The Truth Hurts

Novi, MI

#641 Nov 9, 2012
Linda C wrote:
I have followed this case since it happened. Anti beauty padgeant folks immediately point their finger at pervert attending one of her contest. The evidence showes something else. Start the clock ticking.
What perp would enter a house, wander around, get JBR and take her downstairs and make her eat pinapple. Then take her to the basement, write on her hands, stick a paint brush handle in her, strangle her, hit her on the head and then cover her up with a blanket. Oh, then go back upstairs look around to find a yellow legal pad and a marker pen. He sets down his flashlight and then writing the mother of all ransome notes. The clock is still ticking, how long has this pervert been inside the house by now.
The note is left on the step, and now the pervert tidies up. Puts everything away. Oops, the pineapple bowl with only Burke and JonBenet's finger prints is forgotten on the table.
The perp leaves and time keeps ticking. As the tale is told,. Patsy gets up and puts on the clothes she wore yesterday. This is a woman who would change purses everyday to match her shoes. But, she says she put on all her makeup, yesterdays clothes where she finds a 3 page ransome note and after she picks it up and starts to read it she starts screaming and runs back upstairs to see where JBR is. Stop right here:
Flag #1. She said she picked it up to read it. Ahhhh, the cops should find her prints on the note and possible the perps.
But.......the note, all 3 pages had no prints on it anywhere.
Flag #2. The note says "do what you are told or we will cut off her head" They were warned not to call the police. Not to call anyone and yet.....this is where John picks up the phone to call his lawyer.
Do you want more of the story or is that enough. I can tell you my opinion of how this happened and who did it, based on evidence.
John did not pick up the phone to call his lawyer. You have some of the facts confused but other than that, I agree with most of what you've said.:)
Let's hear your opinion on what happened and who did it "based on evidence." I'm interested.
Linda C

Lincoln, NE

#643 Nov 10, 2012
"this is an example of how people read just snatches of what happened here and there and think they know without a doubt everything that went on. Just the point that you gave as showing this poster to be "confused" is not the ONLY thing she has totally incorrect.
I could sit here and explain each and every facet of the "tale" as she told it being off the mark as well as how and why it is. But it would take far too much of my time so I'll just let it suffice by saying she should go back to square one and start studying the case. IMO, after reading this post, I doubt if the "evidence" she has is evidence at all.

Wow Mary B, you sound so angry.
" I could sit here and explain each and every facet of the "tale" as she told it being off the mark as well as how and why it is. But it would take far too much of my time so I'll just let it suffice by saying she should go back to square one and start studying the case. IMO, after reading this post, I doubt if the "evidence" she has is evidence at all."QUOTE
ditto....right back to you.
Since we don't know each other or how we each interacted with the investigation there is really nothing more to say.
The Truth Hurts

Detroit, MI

#644 Nov 10, 2012
I am still interested in hearing your theory, Linda C.

“YES”

Since: Mar 07

TWICE

#645 Nov 11, 2012
The Truth Hurts wrote:
I am still interested in hearing your theory, Linda C.
I also would be interested Linda C. If you really have an interest in this case, it would be nice if you posted your theory and then I would think you might want to revise it or correct it after your misunderstandings about the facts of the case are pointed out to you.

As TTH pointed out, there are errors in many of your facts that I'm sure you would like corrected to have your theory be more accurate
Linda C

Lincoln, NE

#646 Dec 1, 2012
It is my unqualified opinion, that has no connection with the Boulder police department,(although I have read the police reports and the autopsy) that this was a tragic accident. I think when she ran up the circular stairs one of the ropes caught and stopped her short, she lost her footing and fell banging her head on the wrought iron steps(remember the 7" crack in her skull?), the rope pulled her neck and suffocated her. Patsy and John see the horrific scene. Now Burke is all they have left. They don't want Burke to be label the boy who killed his sister. Never imagining the attention this case would bring to their future, they thought after a few days it would all die down.

Think about their actions:
-If your daughter was taken wouldn't you want to keep your only child with you? Would you send him off to stay at an unprotected house with friends of friends?
-The ransom note speaks volumes. From the amount of the ransom, the same as John's bonus, to the choice of words, and why no fingerprints. Patsy first said she picked it up and then said she kneeled down to read it.
-If Burke knew nothing, wouldn't he wonder why all those people were in his house when they were suppose to be going to Michagan?
-John disappearing around 1030 to get the mail?
-John going directly to the room in the basement and finding her and bringing her upstairs and lying her on the floor?
-Patsy looking at the police through her fingers?
-The ransome note with no finger prints and the words used.
-The sharpie pen used and the pad, both from their home.
-The swiss army knife that belonged to Burke
-Burke's obsession with tying knots from his boyscout troop
-The housekeeper had caught Burke and Jonbenet playing "doctor" on earlier occaisions.
-Patsy wearing yesterday's clothes. Did she even make it to bed that night?
-The split between Fleet and John that never healed.
-John's surprized reaction to Jonbenet being violated with the paint brush.

John and Patsy adored this little girl. They didn't kill her. They lavished her with attention and anything she wanted to the point that Burke was second to it all.
A stranger is not going to go into a house write a 3 page ransom note from a found legal pad and pen from the house, tidy up after he/she gets a little girl out of bed and takes her to the basement to kill her and then say he kidnapped her. Far too risky of getting caught the longer the stay in the house. The note says they were a foreign faction. So if a perverted intruder came into the house to do things to Jonbenet why would they say they kidnapped her for the ransom and leave her there.

Every action, every red flag, all point to the Ramseys. I know from experience, when you have cancer, a little bed wetting is nothing. They didn't kill their precious daughter. They only wanted to protect their son. They underestimated the country's reaction and interest in this beautiful child. And once the lie was told, it had to be maintained, no matter what.


Since: Jan 12

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#647 Dec 1, 2012
Linda C wrote:
It is my unqualified opinion, that has no connection with the Boulder police department,(although I have read the police reports and the autopsy) that this was a tragic accident. I think when she ran up the circular stairs one of the ropes caught and stopped...
Sounds very complicated and elaborated. But only from what I read, following your trail and thoughts, one piece doesn't fit for me.
IF they loved their daughter they would have immediately done everything possible to get her to a hospital, evey parent that LOVES their child would never immediately fall into this disasterous pattern unless there was something "wrong" to begin with,.. they would go into denial about the child being DEAD, and do everything possible.. heck even scream at each other to move faster...
I'm speaking from personal experience: your child gets hurt and of course the questions come, how how how and when you think you're done explaining.. more how, how, how.. but like someone said to me "they are going to investigate you".. my response "Let them turn me inside out, tear my house apart... what EVER they want. I have nothing to hide. All I want is for my child to get the care.."
Look, cops, detectives, doctors.. questions.. yeah it can be overwhelming but as a parent, what's your priority?? For me, my kids period. The could set the f***ing dogs on my I wouldn't care. And honest person KNOWS another when they see one. And a wolf definately knows a wolf and would never confuse it for a sheep before it sinks it's teeth in. I think great detectives are exactlly like that... only sheepdogs, can look like a wolf.. i guess?.. baaahhh...baaahhh

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#649 Dec 1, 2012
maryB wrote:
Recently I have become more cognizant of posters and the little pieces of information they allow to be shared about themselves. So I notice that while "QuiteCrazy" only joined Topix in January of 2012, s/he has already accumulated over 8,000 posts. I'd say that's quite a fete for a fairly new poster!!
Can it be more likely that "QuiteCrazy" is an old poster with a new handle?
Here we go...

“Live Each Day and Have Fun !”

Since: Nov 12

Where I am at .

#651 Dec 1, 2012
One thing about this case the Boulder PD, did a terrible job reguarding the crime scene. Barney over MayBerry could have done better. That has always irritated me !
The Truth Hurts

Novi, MI

#657 Dec 1, 2012
Linda C wrote:
It is my unqualified opinion, that has no connection with the Boulder police department,(although I have read the police reports and the autopsy) that this was a tragic accident. I think when she ran up the circular stairs one of the ropes caught and stopped her short, she lost her footing and fell banging her head on the wrought iron steps(remember the 7" crack in her skull?), the rope pulled her neck and suffocated her. Patsy and John see the horrific scene. Now Burke is all they have left. They don't want Burke to be label the boy who killed his sister. Never imagining the attention this case would bring to their future, they thought after a few days it would all die down.
You lost me somewhere. What "ropes?" What does any of that have to do with Burke?

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the Ramseys were involved and that they were covering for Burke but you make it sound like it was a complete accident so why would Burke be known as "the boy who killed his sister?" That doesn't make any sense.
If it was an accident as you described, I'm sure the Ramseys would have called an ambulance immediately. Why wouldn't they?

“... puttin on ...”

Since: Aug 08

... da union suit ...

#658 Dec 1, 2012
...colonel mustard with the candlestick in the library ...

“... puttin on ...”

Since: Aug 08

... da union suit ...

#660 Dec 1, 2012
... and here i thought nobody read my profile ... can i send you my resume ...???

“... puttin on ...”

Since: Aug 08

... da union suit ...

#662 Dec 1, 2012
Barney Fife wrote:
Talk about a wacko, 44k posts ? You are a real loser with no life or job.
Go get some mental health care.
.. round up it's closer to 50k ... new math ...

Since: Jul 10

Crimson Tide Bulldozed

#664 Dec 2, 2012
Yes, here we go again. This accusation is amusingly coming from the poster with five hats of her own:

OLD South
OLE South
mBm
Yesterday's news
maryB

AND, who just recently accused me of being the poster "cynic" over on FFJ.

I am 0% positive she knows who she is much less anyone else, LOL.

The same post situation happened when her friend Lynette joined as well, but it was never questioned then, so I would take this deductive reasoning example with a grain of salt.
QuiteCrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Here we go...

“Live Each Day and Have Fun !”

Since: Nov 12

Where I am at .

#665 Dec 2, 2012
This COLD CASE is gonna die with who ever did it !

“Live Each Day and Have Fun !”

Since: Nov 12

Where I am at .

#669 Dec 16, 2012
Sure wish they would spill the beans !
Anonymous

Beckley, WV

#670 Jul 22, 2013
QuiteCrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds very complicated and elaborated. But only from what I read, following your trail and thoughts, one piece doesn't fit for me.
IF they loved their daughter they would have immediately done everything possible to get her to a hospital, evey parent that LOVES their child would never immediately fall into this disasterous pattern unless there was something "wrong" to begin with,.. they would go into denial about the child being DEAD, and do everything possible.. heck even scream at each other to move faster...
I'm speaking from personal experience: your child gets hurt and of course the questions come, how how how and when you think you're done explaining.. more how, how, how.. but like someone said to me "they are going to investigate you".. my response "Let them turn me inside out, tear my house apart... what EVER they want. I have nothing to hide. All I want is for my child to get the care.."
Look, cops, detectives, doctors.. questions.. yeah it can be overwhelming but as a parent, what's your priority?? For me, my kids period. The could set the f***ing dogs on my I wouldn't care. And honest person KNOWS another when they see one. And a wolf definately knows a wolf and would never confuse it for a sheep before it sinks it's teeth in. I think great detectives are exactlly like that... only sheepdogs, can look like a wolf.. i guess?.. baaahhh...baaahhh


Unless, the child appeared to be dead and they knew their son was the guilty party. Burke could have fought over the pineapple with his sister. He could have grabbed her by the her shirt and twisted it inflicting the bruises on her neck. In total rage, then he may have hit his sister in the head with the flashlight--long before he alerted his parents to the altercation between them. Seeing no blood, he could have assumed that she had just passed out and that she would come to in a few minutes. Kids do not think like adults.

(Patsy probably was suspicious for a long time about Burke's behavior toward his sister. Maybe even suspecting sexual "diddling" but not wanting to believe it. Denial.) When alerted to JonBenet's condition it is too late save her. Her heart beat may have been very faint or undetectable by that time. Therefore, Patsy devises the elaborate cover-up.

I often questioned how a mother could put a garrote around her daughter's neck. The conclusion I came up with is that she desperately needed to cover-up for Burke. She had the option of removing her daughter's body and dumping it out in the cold weather to be eaten by scavengers or to cover the abuse suffered from Burke's hands. That is the only scenario I can imagine that would tempt a mother to fashion and use a garrote on her child's neck. Perceiving her to be dead already, but ultimately it is the garrote that takes her daughter's life.
Brit

Marlton, NJ

#673 Sep 12, 2013
learnin wrote:
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A pedophile who felt it necessary to leave a long, rambling, ransom note. What was his motive, pray tell?
The ransom note did ramble, yes, but it also warned them not to speak to anyone and told them they would receive a call between "8 and 10am". This note could have very easily been intended to stop them from searching the house, buy him time to get away and also cast suspicion on the Ramsey's. When exaclty 0 DNA evidence found is linked to the family, they are innocent.

“Sandy Stranger killed JonBenet”

Since: Jan 08

Not Boulder, Co.

#674 Sep 12, 2013
It isn't necessary to sink to the level of unmatched DNA presented by an unstable DA to find Patsy guilty.
Just Wondering

Beckley, WV

#675 Sep 14, 2013
Viper venoM wrote:
<quoted text>learning, if i may? if the ransom note was left behind as maybe to stall- in case the/THEY intruders were detected. where is the other part of the paint brush that was used as the final instrument to end JB'S life? where is it?
Carried away with Burke the morning after the murder. He was escorted out of the home before the police got to talk with him. They didn't get to check for marks on his body or to check what he may have been smuggling out of the home in his clothing.

Makes as much sense as a pedophile waiting until he gets inside the home to write a ransom note and to find an implement to use in the torture and murder. Or for him to take time to feed his soon-to-be-victim pineapple.

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