Minister doing good deed in wrong pla...

Minister doing good deed in wrong place, wrong time during drug raid

There are 29 comments on the KFVS12 story from May 11, 2010, titled Minister doing good deed in wrong place, wrong time during drug raid. In it, KFVS12 reports that:

MARBLE HILL, MO A Marble Hill minister says he just wanted to do a good deed, but instead ended up in the middle of a drug raid.

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United States

#1 May 12, 2010
He was acting like a moron. He was yelling that he was a preacher. So what.....how many preachers abuse little kids. His daughter was calmer than he was. She was not handcuffed. I saw it. The only reason that she would have been upset was because he was acting like a little kid. He was in a dope house.
Jess

Cape Girardeau, MO

#2 May 12, 2010
I totally agree! Why would anybody of any occupation be excluded from proper police protocol! He could have been lying for all the officers knew! The fact is, there is a reason that everybody must be down while the police secure the area! It is for safety reasons! Had he been lying and she let him up, he could have pulled out a gun! Then what? Not only that, even if they knew he was a preacher and let him up, this would give every criminal the idea to yell, I'm a preacher, let me up! And then go get a gun, or hide their drugs! People are so simple minded! They only are against what was done because nothing went wrong. Had something went horribly wrong, the whole town would be on the other side of the fence! And on top of that, if he was yelling and acting like a fool, he could have distracted the officers, and put his daughter in danger! He is doing nothing but giving preachers a bad name! Does he think he's above the law? Cops can't just barge in a house and say, "those of you who are criminals, get down on the ground!",They need everyone to, so they can safely secure the area. If he had been of any other profession, this would not be an issue! All I know is, if I were in a situation where my child was surrounded by criminals, I would comply with the police so they could safely remove the criminals from the vicinity of my child! He doesn't even realize, that his outburst could have resulted in someone pulling out a weapon and shooting everybody while the police were distracted by his ranting! He put his daughter at risk by being there in the first place, then again by distracting the police. Charity is just that, charity. You are supposed to be selfless about putting yourself in a dangerous or risky situation. Missionaries in third world countries or else where knowingly put themselves at risk, and do so for God! They don't get upset if they fall victim to the environment they knowingly subject themselves to! That is part of the mission. Loving God and fellow man enough to risk your own well being to help people!
Guest

Dallas, TX

#3 May 12, 2010
Let it go ppl.
For Real

Marble Hill, MO

#4 May 13, 2010
I thought ministers were supposed to be humble, helpful, caring.....this guy seems arrogant, selfish, childish......if Jesus were in this situation do you think he would have been yelling "I am Jesus! I am Jesus!"? I think he would have humbled himself and would have done what he was asked - unlike our so called "Minister" Jim. He only put himself and his daughter in even more danger by causing such a disturbance in the middle of a raid. Some people are so arrogant they can only see the wrong in others, but not in themselves - not a very Christian attitude.
old man

Oak Ridge, MO

#5 May 13, 2010
There you have it, preacher man. When yuou went to KFVS you were preaching to the church of public opion and you lost. If I were you I would leave town with my head hung low and never come back.
ManufacturedMan

United States

#6 May 13, 2010
There was no need for him to be there. If those people needed a mattress they could have barrowed a truck and come & picked it up. Who in there right goes into a known drug house....especially with there kid? Minister or not...he should have thought about the dangers and what could possibly happen by going there. Also the police should take photos of the mattresses in that house and then ask him to describe the one that he delivered. Just becasue someone is a minister doesnt make them perfect and it does make tme above using drugs...look at Jimmy Swaggert and Ted Haggard.
Lol

Chicago, IL

#7 May 14, 2010
The guy was trying to help someone out and I'm sure he's never been in the middle if a drug raid before! People freak out for diff reasons! It didn't happen to you so you can't say how you would act! If he was smart he would have just went along with it until things calmed down and explained thing then! I kinda doubt that he knew it was a drug house!! He's just lucky things went as well as they did! The middle of a drug raid isn't the best time to be pissin off stressed out cops!! Lol
Peggy Sue

Blue Springs, MO

#8 May 14, 2010
Where is he from? It is possible that he doesn't know what people/places to avoid.

It is possible that a lot of man power hours were put into a raid where there was only 1 charged. My question would be why was there only 1 arrest/charged?
ManufacturedMan

United States

#9 May 14, 2010
I'm understanding that he is from Marble Hill. And in Marble Hill everyone knows everyone elses business..I seriously doubt this guy didnt know what kind of people these drug dealers were.. And why wouold anyone take their child into an enviromenment like that..This guy made some very poor, dangerous choices. I just cant help but wonder why anyone would be giving things to people who are dealing drugs. If they are dealing drugs then they should have enough money to buy a new mattress. This should teach people at least one lesson *DO NOT HELP DRUG DEALER* It's fine to want to help people...but help those who are honest and sincere.
Another question is: why didnt the police wait until he was a few blocks away and then stop him? Thats would have been then smarter thing to do. If he was there to purchase they would have found them on him o in the car during the stop & search. How many people where in the house when it was raided?
Tina

Chicago, IL

#10 May 14, 2010
I'm sure the cops did their job an checked out his story!! It's not like people carry a mattress with them as a cover when they buy drugs!! Also people sell drugs to support their drug habit and that's why they have no money!! Maybe you should go to the police station and make sure they did their job good enough to satisfy you!!
ManufacturedMan

United States

#11 May 14, 2010
Tina wrote:
I'm sure the cops did their job an checked out his story!! It's not like people carry a mattress with them as a cover when they buy drugs!! Also people sell drugs to support their drug habit and that's why they have no money!! Maybe you should go to the police station and make sure they did their job good enough to satisfy you!!
Do you know for a fact that they checked out his story? How can say you're sure that they did? The smart thing to do would have been to wait until he was a couple of blocks away from that house then stopped him and searched and also for the safety of the child who was with him. And that wasnt done now was it? So you think people sell drugs to support their habit...Not everyone who deals drugs uses them. Some people do it just for the money or sex or whatever an addict has to trade or fence. And if they do deal drugs to support their habit and they have no money for a mattress, then someone else should give them one? Oh please!!!
Jessica

Cape Girardeau, MO

#12 May 14, 2010
I think people put themselves in dangerous environments for religious missions all the time, and lots of drug users get charity, from the government, civilians, and churches simply because they have children. It's not a question of that for me. Most people who have faith in God, don't care about what outcomes could happen. It doesn't matter if they checked out his story or not, police have to stick to the same rules for everybody for safety purposes. Imagine, you're kicking in a house, and you're not sure who's in there, what weapons they may have, or where they may be hiding. Police can't listen to everybody and pick and choose who needs to get down in the midst of all the chaos! EVERYONE should comply, let them secure the area, and let them tell you when it's safe to get up! Making everyone get down is not punishment for their crimes, it's for safety reasons! I commend the preacher for the donation, I just think people should be humble when they perform charitable acts, and not suddenly feel ABOVE everyone else! Their would be no questions asked if a waiter was giving them a mattress and had to get down! And as far as the police waiting until the child left, what good officer would not take action as soon as they saw children in a questionable atmosphere. Police raid houses with children in them all the time, the officers are not the ones who put them there to begin with! I applaud the officers for sticking to their protocol!
noname

Cape Girardeau, MO

#13 May 14, 2010
He couldnt went a couple blocks from that house that was raided it was across the street from where he lives ... Yes Preacher man Lives across the street from the apt Builden that was raided
Tina

Dallas, TX

#14 May 14, 2010
Mm you need to stop talking about could of or should of cause it's obvious that you are just have no clue what really happened!! And you sound like a real street thug!! Lol. I'm sorry but even I can tell you have lived a sheltered life!!! Look it up and get the facts, then come back and talk about it!! At least then you'll have a 50/50 chance of sounding like you know what ur talking about!!
ManufacturedMan

United States

#15 May 14, 2010
Jessica wrote:
I think people put themselves in dangerous environments for religious missions all the time, and lots of drug users get charity, from the government, civilians, and churches simply because they have children. It's not a question of that for me. Most people who have faith in God, don't care about what outcomes could happen. It doesn't matter if they checked out his story or not, police have to stick to the same rules for everybody for safety purposes. Imagine, you're kicking in a house, and you're not sure who's in there, what weapons they may have, or where they may be hiding. Police can't listen to everybody and pick and choose who needs to get down in the midst of all the chaos! EVERYONE should comply, let them secure the area, and let them tell you when it's safe to get up! Making everyone get down is not punishment for their crimes, it's for safety reasons! I commend the preacher for the donation, I just think people should be humble when they perform charitable acts, and not suddenly feel ABOVE everyone else! Their would be no questions asked if a waiter was giving them a mattress and had to get down! And as far as the police waiting until the child left, what good officer would not take action as soon as they saw children in a questionable atmosphere. Police raid houses with children in them all the time, the officers are not the ones who put them there to begin with! I applaud the officers for sticking to their protocol!
I agree with the majority of what you said. No one,minister or not should be exempt from cooperating with the police. When he resisted to cooperate was he charged with anything like obstructing justice or refusing to obey a reasonable request of a police officer. He definately should be charged with something. Was the child in the house when it was raided or were these people outside of the building?
ManufacturedMan

United States

#16 May 14, 2010
Tina wrote:
Mm you need to stop talking about could of or should of cause it's obvious that you are just have no clue what really happened!! And you sound like a real street thug!! Lol. I'm sorry but even I can tell you have lived a sheltered life!!! Look it up and get the facts, then come back and talk about it!! At least then you'll have a 50/50 chance of sounding like you know what ur talking about!!
LOL... street thug..you're funny. You did hit the street part, but you're way off base. I'm no thug. I graduated law enforcemnt academy at SEMO many years ago. So yeah, I'm more clued in than you will ever know and I have lived far from a sheltered life. I've seen more crap in one month than you will probably ever see in your life.. Or, at least I hope you dont. I've worked in law enforcemnt and have lived in St. Louis for several years and worked in North St. Louis. I know how shitbumb drug dealers work and I've seen a lot of addicts.. both active users and recovering. So really...dont be so quick to judge or assume the worst of someone just off of a couple of posts.
ManufacturedMan

United States

#17 May 14, 2010
noname wrote:
He couldnt went a couple blocks from that house that was raided it was across the street from where he lives ... Yes Preacher man Lives across the street from the apt Builden that was raided
So then he probably knew there was drug activity there all along.
Jessica

Cape Girardeau, MO

#18 May 15, 2010
I just feel that it's really important for police to always follow through with what they are taught. If they leave room for questions, we would have a bunch of police not knowing what to do in different situations. I do wonder if the preacher has read this, and if his eyes are opened to the fact that the officers were just doing their jobs, and that he could have seriously caused some problems. Going on the news and bad mouthing authorities was the wrong thing for a christian to do! He should have thought that one through! Not one single person has agreed with him so far! I am really impressed by everyone in this town and their ability to see this for what it is, and how much problems would occur if officers left room for doubt based on certain people's occupations. I would love to hear from this man on here, or better yet on the news! The bible teaches us to obey our authority figures. I think the Christian thing to do would be to apologize. He gave a lot of people who risk their lives to keep the bad guys off the streets alot of negative press, just because they didn't give him special treatment. You are representing Christians and as of now, your sending a bad message. I think you should look into your heart and realize, that while you were doing a good deed, it went horribly wrong because of the CRIMINALS not the cops! They have to follow their orders and respect their authorities, and so should you!
Lol

Dallas, TX

#19 May 15, 2010
I agree with you, but I'm sure the cops could have been a little better!! And I only say that because when that truck rolled down the hill and hit that guy on his front porch I saw how they acted!! Maybe it is ok to yell and swear at a drug raid but not at an accident!! There is a tin of pressure when your worried about being shot but swearing at a 16yr old girl who sees her dad laying there possibly dying!! I always try to stick up and help police but some there acted very bad!!! The minaster may seem dumb for not seeing what was going on but people are blind to things around them every day!! To call the news was just plain dumb!!!
just me

Saint Louis, MO

#20 May 16, 2010
Lol wrote:
I agree with you, but I'm sure the cops could have been a little better!! And I only say that because when that truck rolled down the hill and hit that guy on his front porch I saw how they acted!! Maybe it is ok to yell and swear at a drug raid but not at an accident!! There is a tin of pressure when your worried about being shot but swearing at a 16yr old girl who sees her dad laying there possibly dying!! I always try to stick up and help police but some there acted very bad!!! The minaster may seem dumb for not seeing what was going on but people are blind to things around them every day!! To call the news was just plain dumb!!!
One of the officers involved is known for being overly agressive, so I'm sure it was taken a little to far.I wonder if he was drunk on the job that day?!?I know they make the officers do randomn drug test, but how about checking their blood alcohol levels? I don't see how he has made it this long considering he was fired from the city for being agressive.

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