Public option is reform necessity

As a physician practicing in Berkshire County for 35 years it is difficult to understand the current health care debate.

[CURLY1]

It is great to hear the support from Dr's. Since they know 1st hand what reality is like in health care. Even though it may mean less profit for them....they still support it!

[Brian in MA - not MN]

I am pleased that this MD voiced his reasonable opinion and the peanut gallery on the right appears to have bit its collective tongue and listened. Two important goals for health care reform for anyone should be doing away with pre-existing conditions restrictions and fostering competition to lower prices. A public option will help accomplish those, in my opinion.

[HellerCarbonCapN TradeLLC]

Statements followed by illogical conclusions.
Thank you Dr. Glick, but I'll pass on Obama's (and your) vision of nationalized health care.
If you ever see me in your office, I'll be the one paying cash.

[HellerCarbonCapN TradeLLC]

Brian in MA - not MN wrote:

I am pleased that this MD voiced his reasonable opinion and the peanut gallery on the right appears to have bit its collective tongue and listened. Two important goals for health care reform for anyone should be doing away with pre-existing conditions restrictions and fostering competition to lower prices. A public option will help accomplish those, in my opinion.

Brian, what pre-existing conditions do you have?

[Wait--]

The good doctor has spoken in a reasonable fashion. But I'll won't make up my mind until I hear from Jonathon Mele. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!

[jacksmith]

Why A Strong Public Option Is Essential - By jacksmith - Working Class

Robert Reich the pubic option: http://bit.ly/dDYSJ

The public option is ESSENTIAL because over 200 million of you are trapped in the forest of the wolves. Which is the forest of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! With no way out except through needless inhumane suffering, and DEATH. While the wolves tear at your flesh, and rip you limb from lib. Then feast on your lifeless bodies like a dead carcase for transplant parts.

At the most vulnerable times of your lives (when you were sick and hurting), millions of you have had to fight and loose cruel, but heroic battles. Fighting against the big guns of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! in the forest of the wolves. All because you have no place else to go. You have no other CHOICE!

But the PUBLIC OPTION will give you someplace safe to go. And it will give us someplace safe to take you. The public option will be your refugium (your refuge). Where the wolves cannot get at you when your down, hurting, and vulnerable. Where everyone who needs it can find rest, security, comfort and the care they need. Protected by the BIG GUNS of We The People Of The United States. THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE AND COUNTRY ON EARTH.

This is why it is so critical that we do not lead another 50 million vulnerable, uninsured Americans into the forest of the wolves, without the protections of a Strong Government-run public option. We The People Of The United States MUST NOT LET THAT HAPPEN to any more of our fellow Americans. If healthcare reform does not contain a strong public option on day one. YOU MUST! KILL IT. Or you will do far more harm than good. And millions more will die needlessly. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.

To those who would continue to obstruct good and true healthcare reform for the American people, and who seek to trap millions more vulnerable Americans in the forest of the wolves. We will continue to fight you. We are prepared to wage all out war against you, and will eagerly DESTROY! you. Time...is...UP! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! No Co-op's! No Triggers!

Healthcare reform can be the GREATEST! Accomplishment of our time and century. A time when future generations may say of us, that we were all, AMERICAS GREATEST GENERATIONS.

BUT WE MUST ACT!

I therefore call on all my fellow Americans and the peoples of the World. To join us in this fight so that we may finish becoming the better America that we aspire to be for everyone.

SPREAD THE WORD!

I have been privileged to be witness as many of you fought, and struggled to take your first breath, and your last breath on this earth. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Life is precious.

Whatever the cost. WE! MUST SUCCEED.

God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings

jacksmith — Working Class

Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch... )

[HellerCarbonCapN TradeLLC]

jacksmith wrote:

Why A Strong Public Option Is Essential - By jacksmith - Working Class
Robert Reich the pubic option: http://bit.ly/dDYSJ
The public option is ESSENTIAL because over 200 million of you are trapped in the forest of the wolves. Which is the forest of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! With no way out except through needless inhumane suffering, and DEATH. While the wolves tear at your flesh, and rip you limb from lib. Then feast on your lifeless bodies like a dead carcase for transplant parts.
At the most vulnerable times of your lives (when you were sick and hurting), millions of you have had to fight and loose cruel, but heroic battles. Fighting against the big guns of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! in the forest of the wolves. All because you have no place else to go. You have no other CHOICE!
But the PUBLIC OPTION will give you someplace safe to go. And it will give us someplace safe to take you. The public option will be your refugium (your refuge). Where the wolves cannot get at you when your down, hurting, and vulnerable. Where everyone who needs it can find rest, security, comfort and the care they need. Protected by the BIG GUNS of We The People Of The United States. THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE AND COUNTRY ON EARTH.
This is why it is so critical that we do not lead another 50 million vulnerable, uninsured Americans into the forest of the wolves, without the protections of a Strong Government-run public option. We The People Of The United States MUST NOT LET THAT HAPPEN to any more of our fellow Americans. If healthcare reform does not contain a strong public option on day one. YOU MUST! KILL IT. Or you will do far more harm than good. And millions more will die needlessly. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.
To those who would continue to obstruct good and true healthcare reform for the American people, and who seek to trap millions more vulnerable Americans in the forest of the wolves. We will continue to fight you. We are prepared to wage all out war against you, and will eagerly DESTROY! you. Time...is...UP! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! No Co-op's! No Triggers!
Healthcare reform can be the GREATEST! Accomplishment of our time and century. A time when future generations may say of us, that we were all, AMERICAS GREATEST GENERATIONS.
BUT WE MUST ACT!
I therefore call on all my fellow Americans and the peoples of the World. To join us in this fight so that we may finish becoming the better America that we aspire to be for everyone.
SPREAD THE WORD!
I have been privileged to be witness as many of you fought, and struggled to take your first breath, and your last breath on this earth. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Life is precious.
Whatever the cost. WE! MUST SUCCEED.
God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings
jacksmith — Working Class
Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch... )

Robert Reich, now there is a guy who knows everything -- and he'll be the first to acknowledge it.

[religion kills]

This libertarian is for the public option, even with the remorse that comes with knowing the amount it will cost the government.

I agree with the doctor: it is simply astounding the debate we are having, vs. the one we should be having.

We are debating fears...fears implanted in us that may not be based on any sord of reality. Death panels, rationing come to mind.

If we could get beyond the "no government involvement never" stance, we could have a real argument. I've looked at the evidence on all sides and as a libertarian I say the government does a good job at this so lets use that to bring a free market back to the industry.

It is just like with the pharma bill we blocked the ability of the government...the purchaser of the drugs...to negotiate prices. Political interests got in the way of common sense.

Here I even see, as Brian refers to, people who normally rail against big government agreeing. It is just common sense: medicaire, medicaid, VA are the lowest cost things we have in this market, coincidentally they are not for profit and run by the government. It is a logical extension to say this could work with the rest of the population.

I'm for it...and i don't care if it kills private insurance, as long as they structure it so I get the excellent care I get today.

One thing I get that is far from excellent is insuarance. I've been working for months to clean up the last remaining bills from major surgery this spring, the doctors did their part, saved my life, and I'm still trying to get them paid.

Anyone with private insurance knows about this.

Hellar cap and pick your nose or whatever that name means showing up with cash...good for you. I'm sure you also have millions in the bank, but just keep in mind I was the model of health, no smoking, worked out did all the right things yet due to a genetic defect that had nothing to do with life choices, I spent 400k on medical care this year.

Again, I'm sure you have millions and wouldn't care, but a dose of reality tells me you probably wouldn't be coming in with the cash for that, rather you'd be costing me money in higher premiums to cover your free care.

If you truly just pay cash I say you are irresponsible and selfish. One day you may need care at the level I needed and I'll pay for it. Shame on you for being so selfish, mr cap and puke.

(really, what does that name mean?????)

[Rob]

Wow a doctor that lives in a fantasy world. Toto here boy!

[Sanity]

No disrespect intended for Dr. Glick at all, but I wonder if there were any doctors who supported Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin?

I seem to remember a Dr. Mengele in Nazi Germany.

Yep, doctors know everything about politics and economics. That's what they teach in med school, right?

I was going to listen to a doctor about paying for health care, I'd listen to Dr. Tom Coburn (R-OK).

Have a pleasant evening.

[CURLY1]

Sanity wrote:

No disrespect intended for Dr. Glick at all, but I wonder if there were any doctors who supported Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin?
I seem to remember a Dr. Mengele in Nazi Germany.
Yep, doctors know everything about politics and economics. That's what they teach in med school, right?
I was going to listen to a doctor about paying for health care, I'd listen to Dr. Tom Coburn (R-OK).
Have a pleasant evening.

if you followed the letters to the editor you would know that this writter has just been 1 of many doctors who have been writing in to support Obamas health care reform.

[HellerCarbonCapN TradeLLC]

CURLY1 wrote:

<quoted text>
if you followed the letters to the editor you would know that this writter has just been 1 of many doctors who have been writing in to support Obamas health care reform.

Funny, but I listened to an interview by Brian Lamb the other day on C-Span of a respected doctor who is chairman of a hospital in VA who seemed gravely concerned should ObamaCare become law.
Where are all the doctors going to come from if no financial incentive exists to attract talent into the profession?
Why would anyone want to spend eight or so long years in med school and in residence at a hospital if eventually there is no lucrative pay-off?
Is there any doubt that there will be doctor shortages?

[HellerCarbonCapN TradeLLC]

religion kills wrote:

This libertarian is for the public option, even with the remorse that comes with knowing the amount it will cost the government.
I agree with the doctor: it is simply astounding the debate we are having, vs. the one we should be having.
We are debating fears...fears implanted in us that may not be based on any sord of reality. Death panels, rationing come to mind.
If we could get beyond the "no government involvement never" stance, we could have a real argument. I've looked at the evidence on all sides and as a libertarian I say the government does a good job at this so lets use that to bring a free market back to the industry.
It is just like with the pharma bill we blocked the ability of the government...the purchaser of the drugs...to negotiate prices. Political interests got in the way of common sense.
Here I even see, as Brian refers to, people who normally rail against big government agreeing. It is just common sense: medicaire, medicaid, VA are the lowest cost things we have in this market, coincidentally they are not for profit and run by the government. It is a logical extension to say this could work with the rest of the population.
I'm for it...and i don't care if it kills private insurance, as long as they structure it so I get the excellent care I get today.
One thing I get that is far from excellent is insuarance. I've been working for months to clean up the last remaining bills from major surgery this spring, the doctors did their part, saved my life, and I'm still trying to get them paid.
Anyone with private insurance knows about this.
Hellar cap and pick your nose or whatever that name means showing up with cash...good for you. I'm sure you also have millions in the bank, but just keep in mind I was the model of health, no smoking, worked out did all the right things yet due to a genetic defect that had nothing to do with life choices, I spent 400k on medical care this year.
Again, I'm sure you have millions and wouldn't care, but a dose of reality tells me you probably wouldn't be coming in with the cash for that, rather you'd be costing me money in higher premiums to cover your free care.
If you truly just pay cash I say you are irresponsible and selfish. One day you may need care at the level I needed and I'll pay for it. Shame on you for being so selfish, mr cap and puke.
(really, what does that name mean?????)

And your point would be?

[HellerCarbonCapN TradeLLC]

religion kills wrote:

This libertarian is for the public option, even with the remorse that comes with knowing the amount it will cost the government.
I agree with the doctor: it is simply astounding the debate we are having, vs. the one we should be having.
We are debating fears...fears implanted in us that may not be based on any sord of reality. Death panels, rationing come to mind.
If we could get beyond the "no government involvement never" stance, we could have a real argument. I've looked at the evidence on all sides and as a libertarian I say the government does a good job at this so lets use that to bring a free market back to the industry.
It is just like with the pharma bill we blocked the ability of the government...the purchaser of the drugs...to negotiate prices. Political interests got in the way of common sense.
Here I even see, as Brian refers to, people who normally rail against big government agreeing. It is just common sense: medicaire, medicaid, VA are the lowest cost things we have in this market, coincidentally they are not for profit and run by the government. It is a logical extension to say this could work with the rest of the population.
I'm for it...and i don't care if it kills private insurance, as long as they structure it so I get the excellent care I get today.
One thing I get that is far from excellent is insuarance. I've been working for months to clean up the last remaining bills from major surgery this spring, the doctors did their part, saved my life, and I'm still trying to get them paid.
Anyone with private insurance knows about this.
Hellar cap and pick your nose or whatever that name means showing up with cash...good for you. I'm sure you also have millions in the bank, but just keep in mind I was the model of health, no smoking, worked out did all the right things yet due to a genetic defect that had nothing to do with life choices, I spent 400k on medical care this year.
Again, I'm sure you have millions and wouldn't care, but a dose of reality tells me you probably wouldn't be coming in with the cash for that, rather you'd be costing me money in higher premiums to cover your free care.
If you truly just pay cash I say you are irresponsible and selfish. One day you may need care at the level I needed and I'll pay for it. Shame on you for being so selfish, mr cap and puke.
(really, what does that name mean?????)

If ObamaCare were in effect right now, what makes you think you'd be given the treatment that you receive presently?
How do you know that a government bureaucrat wouldn't limit your treatments so it didn't cost the government any more than $40K?
And what if they just didn't tell you about the possible new treatments because those treatments were too expensive for even the government to afford?

[Savannah]

Has the good doctor bothered to take a look at how health care reform gets financed? Does Dr. Glick realize that people who can't afford insurance do not want to sign asset recovery on their homes to a dysfunctional government while they are still healthy? This is one of the ways health care reform is financed. There are many poor & working poor who cannot afford insurance, but do have homes that can be used to pay for insurance.

What masters the health reformers are at assessing where money can be stolen from. Personally I do not want money stolen from the rich, the middle class or the poor. What do you think all the massive work for the long form census is all about? This is an act of kindness?

Look at how well health care reform has worked in MA? Dwindling jobs, nurses and health care professionals being laid off, empty hospitals, Dr's leaving; & we want to spread this joy around?

Where did anyone get the idea that health care is a right? Yes, & I'd like good hair, good teeth, great clothes, a good car... WAA, WAA, WAA! I can't afford to get my nails done. It's not fair for some people to have more than me. Where does this ridiculous thinking come to an end?

And to you jacksmith; why would you be waging war on your fellow Americans who are your brothers and sisters and do not agree with you. You don't sound very loving to my predicament of losing my home so that I can finance health care with the signing of my home. You are not working to my benefit. You are like those who killed Christ and think you are doing God a favor. Many people wake up to late, but the damage is already done. Don't be on the wrong side.

And I reiterate your very loving quote jacksmith... Your hate shines forth out the darkness.

"To those who would continue to obstruct good and true healthcare reform for the American people, and who seek to trap millions more vulnerable Americans in the forest of the wolves. We will continue to fight you. We are prepared to wage all out war against you, and will eagerly DESTROY! you. Time...is...UP! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! No Co-op's! No Triggers!"

Me thinks that I am the lamb & you are the wolf.

[religion kills]

HellerCarbonCapNTradeLLC wrote:

<quoted text>
If ObamaCare were in effect right now, what makes you think you'd be given the treatment that you receive presently?
How do you know that a government bureaucrat wouldn't limit your treatments so it didn't cost the government any more than $40K?
And what if they just didn't tell you about the possible new treatments because those treatments were too expensive for even the government to afford?

refrain for the devotees of simple and straight forward (as requested):
1. We are debating non issues put into weak minds by backers of the status quo who stand to lose profits under reform.
2. As a libertarian I almost never endorse government involvement but the facts here are clear: they do this best.
3. As a "cash customer" you are being selfish and irresponsible, just like Savannah's people that own homes but not insurance (priorities???). when you get gravely ill all of us with insurance will be paying. Sure,$60 is easy to afford for a check up, just wait until you are ill.

As for your questions, I say NONSENSE (see point 1 above, you have had ideas planted in your brain and you are a voice of the un-interested in success).

I support what many conservatives say but I cannot answer stupid questions about things that will not happen, are not part of the "informed" debate and are not related to conservatism being rather questions you are being told to ask to continue the wrong debate (again, for clarity, see point 1).

Let's debate why it is bad or risky to expand a government program. Lets debate how to fix private insurance, how to cover more people. Lets definitely debate why the lawyers who right our laws are not focusing on malpractice (I keep hearing of multiple hundreds of thousands/year cost to doctors yet people say it is insignificant...lies). Let's have a vigorous debate about how to get deadbeats who can afford insurance but choose to buy a house instead to make better choices. Let's debate why I pay for private insurance then pay an unfair portion of my income that could end up paying for a poor person's insurance.

There are many good things to debate. Fear and hysteria-driven questions like the stupid ones you just posed to me are not worthy and I'm not answering them.

Don't you feel stupid being duped into a pawn of the special interests? I thought you were a conservative...it seems your just a pawn. I hope they are paying you well.

[religion kills]

Savannah wrote:

Has the good doctor bothered to take a look at how health care reform gets financed? Does Dr. Glick realize that people who can't afford insurance do not want to sign asset recovery on their homes to a dysfunctional government while they are still healthy? This is one of the ways health care reform is financed. There are many poor & working poor who cannot afford insurance, but do have homes that can be used to pay for insurance.
What masters the health reformers are at assessing where money can be stolen from. Personally I do not want money stolen from the rich, the middle class or the poor. What do you think all the massive work for the long form census is all about? This is an act of kindness?
Look at how well health care reform has worked in MA? Dwindling jobs, nurses and health care professionals being laid off, empty hospitals, Dr's leaving; & we want to spread this joy around?
Where did anyone get the idea that health care is a right? Yes, & I'd like good hair, good teeth, great clothes, a good car... WAA, WAA, WAA! I can't afford to get my nails done. It's not fair for some people to have more than me. Where does this ridiculous thinking come to an end?
And to you jacksmith; why would you be waging war on your fellow Americans who are your brothers and sisters and do not agree with you. You don't sound very loving to my predicament of losing my home so that I can finance health care with the signing of my home. You are not working to my benefit. You are like those who killed Christ and think you are doing God a favor. Many people wake up to late, but the damage is already done. Don't be on the wrong side.
And I reiterate your very loving quote jacksmith... Your hate shines forth out the darkness.
"To those who would continue to obstruct good and true healthcare reform for the American people, and who seek to trap millions more vulnerable Americans in the forest of the wolves. We will continue to fight you. We are prepared to wage all out war against you, and will eagerly DESTROY! you. Time...is...UP! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! No Co-op's! No Triggers!"
Me thinks that I am the lamb & you are the wolf.

Bad Assumptions:
-people that own houses can't afford insurance. Not true. Perhaps they can't afford a home?????
-all the blather about losing your home. See my reply to heller carbon cap and trade your soul for ten seconds in the limelight. Duh, people lose their homes today. Get insurance like the rest of us and stop living off my income. I don't approve of your free loading.

[Savannah]

religion kills wrote:

<quoted text>
Bad Assumptions:
-people that own houses can't afford insurance. Not true. Perhaps they can't afford a home?????
-all the blather about losing your home. See my reply to heller carbon cap and trade your soul for ten seconds in the limelight. Duh, people lose their homes today. Get insurance like the rest of us and stop living off my income. I don't approve of your free loading.

People who can't afford insurance generally sell their home before they sign it over to the government in order to get insurance. People who live in homes in states that are poorly fiscally managed and not find work to support their home; generally leave either their homes or the state, & sometimes both. So much for your compassion for people who lose their jobs.

Please pray tell do make this argument in Detroit where every other home is empty. Please, no more of your compassion talk. You lie!

[HellerCarbonCapN TradeLLC]

religion kills wrote:

<quoted text>
refrain for the devotees of simple and straight forward (as requested):
1. We are debating non issues put into weak minds by backers of the status quo who stand to lose profits under reform.
2. As a libertarian I almost never endorse government involvement but the facts here are clear: they do this best.
3. As a "cash customer" you are being selfish and irresponsible, just like Savannah's people that own homes but not insurance (priorities???). when you get gravely ill all of us with insurance will be paying. Sure,$60 is easy to afford for a check up, just wait until you are ill.
As for your questions, I say NONSENSE (see point 1 above, you have had ideas planted in your brain and you are a voice of the un-interested in success).
I support what many conservatives say but I cannot answer stupid questions about things that will not happen, are not part of the "informed" debate and are not related to conservatism being rather questions you are being told to ask to continue the wrong debate (again, for clarity, see point 1).
Let's debate why it is bad or risky to expand a government program. Lets debate how to fix private insurance, how to cover more people. Lets definitely debate why the lawyers who right our laws are not focusing on malpractice (I keep hearing of multiple hundreds of thousands/year cost to doctors yet people say it is insignificant...lies). Let's have a vigorous debate about how to get deadbeats who can afford insurance but choose to buy a house instead to make better choices. Let's debate why I pay for private insurance then pay an unfair portion of my income that could end up paying for a poor person's insurance.
There are many good things to debate. Fear and hysteria-driven questions like the stupid ones you just posed to me are not worthy and I'm not answering them.
Don't you feel stupid being duped into a pawn of the special interests? I thought you were a conservative...it seems your just a pawn. I hope they are paying you well.

It's comforting to know you have so much faith in the government to manage its bureaucracies and its programs.
Can you name some of those programs that government manages well?

[HellerCarbonCapN TradeLLC]

religion kills wrote:

<quoted text>
refrain for the devotees of simple and straight forward (as requested):
1. We are debating non issues put into weak minds by backers of the status quo who stand to lose profits under reform.
2. As a libertarian I almost never endorse government involvement but the facts here are clear: they do this best.
3. As a "cash customer" you are being selfish and irresponsible, just like Savannah's people that own homes but not insurance (priorities???). when you get gravely ill all of us with insurance will be paying. Sure,$60 is easy to afford for a check up, just wait until you are ill.
As for your questions, I say NONSENSE (see point 1 above, you have had ideas planted in your brain and you are a voice of the un-interested in success).
I support what many conservatives say but I cannot answer stupid questions about things that will not happen, are not part of the "informed" debate and are not related to conservatism being rather questions you are being told to ask to continue the wrong debate (again, for clarity, see point 1).
Let's debate why it is bad or risky to expand a government program. Lets debate how to fix private insurance, how to cover more people. Lets definitely debate why the lawyers who right our laws are not focusing on malpractice (I keep hearing of multiple hundreds of thousands/year cost to doctors yet people say it is insignificant...lies). Let's have a vigorous debate about how to get deadbeats who can afford insurance but choose to buy a house instead to make better choices. Let's debate why I pay for private insurance then pay an unfair portion of my income that could end up paying for a poor person's insurance.
There are many good things to debate. Fear and hysteria-driven questions like the stupid ones you just posed to me are not worthy and I'm not answering them.
Don't you feel stupid being duped into a pawn of the special interests? I thought you were a conservative...it seems your just a pawn. I hope they are paying you well.

Why are you against private insurance carriers making a profit?
Given the risk that insurance carriers sustain, what do you think is an appropriate return on investment for every dollar of capital an insurance carrier invests in bringing its products to market to the public?