Baldwin County Teachers Talk Push for Penny Tax

Aug 14, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Local 15

Teachers in Baldwin County met today to kick off the new school year. Teachers are already on the job.

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sore

Hammond, LA

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Aug 16, 2012
 
Yea. Its because they already raised taxes. I'm voting no and encourage the rest of you to do the same. Look at gas and grocerie prices. Need i say more.
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Foley, AL

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Aug 16, 2012
 

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The teacher's Union does not care about the plight of others. They just want more of your money for their dues paying teacher members and their top executives. I voted 'no' to this 1% increase in sales tax the last time and will vote 'no' if it comes up for a vote in the future. Baldwin's sales tax (including on food), is much too high in the 1st place without an additional 1% sales tax to increase what the Baldwin County Educational System is already wasting on education.
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Aug 16, 2012
 
Angie Swiger just seems like a lying socialist. Maybe if the administrators took a paycut, they could hire more teachers. And to say its gonna hurt the students. Bull.
Shook reform is needed

Daphne, AL

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Aug 18, 2012
 

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They went around push this "temporary tax" like crazy three years ago. They had teachers and parents alll on full tilt with the propaganda. I even heard they had any 18 year old students getting registered and bused to the polls.

I voted for it at the time because they were hurting and they guaranteed it would be a 3 YEAR TEMPORARY TAX.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
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Foley, AL

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Aug 18, 2012
 

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"I voted for it at the time because they were hurting and they guaranteed it would be a 3 YEAR TEMPORARY TAX."

I knew then that it was just a sham about only being a "3 YEAR TEMPORARY TAX". I've lived in lots of different places and school systems, Boards of Education and Teacher's Unions are the same everywhere. They can never achieve educational excellence and always want taxpayers to give them more money because they say that with more money the educational system will improve. The only thing that improves is that they all have more money to spend and nothing ever gets any better because no one demands that they do more with less. Also, when was there ever a "TEMPORARY TAX"? There has to be a well organized get-out-the vote to defeat this extension of the 1% increased sales tax in Baldwin County if there is any hope of having it expire as originally "promised". Everyone should take pencil to paper and estimate how much they purchase in Baldwin County during the course of a year and then calculate what 1% additional sales tax amounts to in their real dollars. If everyone did this, they would rush to the polls on election day to vote "NO" to an extension of this sham tax--especially during this time when people are finding it hard to meet their expenses.
School reform needed

Daphne, AL

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Aug 19, 2012
 
I am aware of many taxes that or marketed as temporary and truly are. In Florida they will vote on temporary taxes to fund a specific road infrastructure projects for example. It either gets voted up or down and if it is voted up they do the project and fund it from the funds from that temporary tax voted on for a specific amount of time.

Temporary taxes work well for proposed projects like that, or say a conference center, or something. The problem with this temporary tax is that it was not for a defined project with a defined cost. Instead it was to fund OPERATIONAL expenses. The reason that is a problem is that unlike a project whose costs end when the project is complete, operational expenses continue year end and year out. So without reform, a temporary tax only kicks the can down the road and does not solve the problem.
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Foley, AL

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#7
Aug 19, 2012
 
NO more Taxes period ! When I can go to a store or restaurant and receive change from a teen or young adult with out using a calculator, than talk to me about more money for Education. Teachers no longer have any authority to enforce rules or paddle a student if necessary,school class rooms have become"class rooms" for the liberal social agendas.
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Foley, AL

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Aug 19, 2012
 
FastFred wrote:
NO more Taxes period ! When I can go to a store or restaurant and receive change from a teen or young adult with out using a calculator, than talk to me about more money for Education. Teachers no longer have any authority to enforce rules or paddle a student if necessary,school class rooms have become"class rooms" for the liberal social agendas.
I don't care what you motives are but it is encouraging to be able to count on your vote against a continuance of the 1% increase in the Baldwin Sales Tax.
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Aug 19, 2012
 

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Throwing money at the situation is NOT the answer. Getting a rein on existing expenses with current money is. Huntsville City schools was 19.5 million in debt with no cash reserves in 2010. They hired a professional financial manager as superintendent and in two years,the system has built two new schools and wound up with a balanced budget with reserves. The system was grossly overload with 400 unnecesary employees including 150 unnecesary teachers.They consoladated schools and made use of existing space and were able to close down older high cost buildings. They also cut down the bus routes and now use temporary employees for noninstructional roles. It's a business and has to be run like one so everyone will not be pleased when the cuts come. Before any more money is thrown to the wind,Baldwin needs to get professional manager from outside the "good ole boy"system,clean house and get rid of everything and everybody that just can't be justified. Then they can step back and see how far their existing money will go before they beg for more.
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Houston, TX

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#10
Aug 21, 2012
 
And just think. If every teacher, their spouses vote for this tax, that means your vote rights have been disinfranchised. Which means they continue getting raises, christmas bonuses and more benefits. The largest employed population in this county are teachers. Can you vote yourself a raise? Vote no. Don't believe what they're saying.
Rsqdivr

Fairhope, AL

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#11
Sep 11, 2012
 
The reason it was temporary was to give them time to fix the current funding model. Ours is too dependent on tourism. We pay an insanely small property tax here. That time was supposed to be spent correcting it. So, to date, ZERO progress has been made to shift to a property tax model, and they are back to the citizens with their hands out.

Notice this time the tax isn't temporary?!!!!

I want to know if the administrators and/or teachers took pay cuts, stayed the same, or received ANY raise in the last 3 years.

I would also like to know if there is an organized NO vote effort like last time.
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Foley, AL

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Sep 11, 2012
 
"We pay an insanely small property tax here"

You forgot to mention that we pay an insanely HIGH SALES TAX that depending on where you live in Baldwin County is 9-10% or higher. Check this out with sales taxes across the Country. And we also pay these sales taxes on our food. This more than makes up for a reasonable property tax.
Rsqdivr

Fairhope, AL

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Sep 11, 2012
 
Give Me a Break wrote:
"We pay an insanely small property tax here"
You forgot to mention that we pay an insanely HIGH SALES TAX that depending on where you live in Baldwin County is 9-10% or higher. Check this out with sales taxes across the Country. And we also pay these sales taxes on our food. This more than makes up for a reasonable property tax.
That's my point. There's no reason we can't shift the financial burden from sales tax to property tax. My position is make our property tax "comparable" to national average and lower the crap out of our sales tax.
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Helena, AL

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Sep 11, 2012
 
Rsqdivr wrote:
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That's my point. There's no reason we can't shift the financial burden from sales tax to property tax. My position is make our property tax "comparable" to national average and lower the crap out of our sales tax.
You can't compare taxes in Alabama with other states unless you factor in all the services that are provided where taxes are higher.We have a state income tax,some states don't. We allow "farm" exemptions for families to have a few acres for a weekend retreat in the country with a Deere,A dually,and a cow or two,but if you have a weekend retreat like lake or riverfront property, you're taxed way above normal rates. Property taxes have never been,are not now, and will never be levied fairly.
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Sep 12, 2012
 
ThomasA wrote:
Throwing money at the situation is NOT the answer. Getting a rein on existing expenses with current money is. Huntsville City schools was 19.5 million in debt with no cash reserves in 2010. They hired a professional financial manager as superintendent and in two years,the system has built two new schools and wound up with a balanced budget with reserves. The system was grossly overload with 400 unnecesary employees including 150 unnecesary teachers.They consoladated schools and made use of existing space and were able to close down older high cost buildings. They also cut down the bus routes and now use temporary employees for noninstructional roles. It's a business and has to be run like one so everyone will not be pleased when the cuts come. Before any more money is thrown to the wind,Baldwin needs to get professional manager from outside the "good ole boy"system,clean house and get rid of everything and everybody that just can't be justified. Then they can step back and see how far their existing money will go before they beg for more.
I agree. Teachers, however, do not want to give up their non-instructional employees. They may have to work harder if they do.
Chances are, those employees assisting the teachers are probably paid pennies. The school system needs to do what it has to and not worry about making anyone happy. Gotta do what you gotta do.
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Foley, AL

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#16
Sep 12, 2012
 
"The school system needs to do what it has to and not worry about making anyone happy. Gotta do what you gotta do."

And the rest of us taxpayers have to do what we gotta do and that is vote down any continuance of the 3-year increase in Baldwin County Sales Tax if it comes up for referendum.

"Teachers, however, do not want to give up their non-instructional employees. They may have to work harder if they do."

Then let them work harder--they get 3-4 months total every year to rest up which other people in other professions don't get. In fact, other people are lucky to get 2-weeks a year for vacation.
FastFred

Foley, AL

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Sep 12, 2012
 
Give Me a Break wrote:
"The school system needs to do what it has to and not worry about making anyone happy. Gotta do what you gotta do."
And the rest of us taxpayers have to do what we gotta do and that is vote down any continuance of the 3-year increase in Baldwin County Sales Tax if it comes up for referendum.
"Teachers, however, do not want to give up their non-instructional employees. They may have to work harder if they do."
Then let them work harder--they get 3-4 months total every year to rest up which other people in other professions don't get. In fact, other people are lucky to get 2-weeks a year for vacation.
I WILL AGREE WITH THAT !

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