Albemarle Neighbors Speak Out Against...

Albemarle Neighbors Speak Out Against Proposed Firing Range

There are 59 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Jan 14, 2013, titled Albemarle Neighbors Speak Out Against Proposed Firing Range. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

Albemarle supervisors heard Wednesday night from people who live near the new planned police gun range.

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Logan

Charlottesville, VA

#24 Jan 17, 2013
The questions that stand out to me that i still have not heard an answer to are:
1) Why did the rivanna rifle club stop letting the police use their range? Can that relationship be fixed?
2) Where do the city police practice?
3) Why can't they share the recently upgraded UVA range?
4) If they spend all of this money to build a range will at least part of it be open to the public?
GCV

Charlottesville, VA

#25 Jan 17, 2013
Are you starting to notice a trend with the left wing. Yesterday Obama surrounds himself with children oh boo hoo hoo we have to take all these scary guns away for the sake of the children. I'm not sure who the bigger drama queen was Biden or Obama. Now we have all these anti-range people USING children in the same fashion and also acting like a bunch of drama queens. As others have said it's not just shooting paper targets. They need the room to train for multiple scenarios and what a better way than to reuse an old landfill. Property values? Your kidding right? Anyone that knew your house was next to a old landfill wouldn't buy it anyway.
Frys Spring

Brookneal, VA

#26 Jan 17, 2013
Dan wrote:
There are lots of existing places to train. A new state of the art facility with several gun ranges, a driving range, and other training facilities is being built right down the road in Nottaway. It would cost police almost nothing to train there (facility is paid for by athe state) and they could use the millions and millions of dollars they would save to hire lots more officers.
That's over a 200 mile round trip.

We would be paying for travel, hotels, and losing police on the ground.

To shoot proficiently you need to practice often so your response is just as much a muscle reflex as a decision to shoot.

You have to shoot at least once a month to be proficient. Dan, why don't we locate your grocery store a 200 mile round trip away?
Sarg

Charlottesville, VA

#27 Jan 17, 2013
WVIR: you need to monitor these posts! PLEASE!
local

Charlottesville, VA

#28 Jan 17, 2013
At a time when safety is of utmost importance (especially gun safety and first responder training), blocking a training facilities for those who protect and serve (some of whome also have "so little" - to quote someone from the article), seems a bit far-fetched; though, since I do not live near Yancey, I cannot speak about it myself. We certainly cant put a gun range in the City of Charlottesville, so Albemarle County... you are the next closest area (logic and geography).

I also am appalled that someone had the gal to say "the little that they have" regarding what I can only assume is the status of homeownership in Albemarle County - things which MANY MORE PEOPLE do not have than do. Be grateful, find peace, gain understanding of lifes true necessities.
Wowwee

Charlottesville, VA

#29 Jan 17, 2013
Sarg wrote:
WVIR: you need to monitor these posts! PLEASE!
That is right, anything Sarg disagrees with should be removed. We will post according to their standard.
Liberalace

Collinsville, VA

#30 Jan 17, 2013
Is this in Dumler's district? If so, why is he so quiet on this?

R.I.P.: John C. Holmes
What

Charlottesville, VA

#31 Jan 17, 2013
Hey Southern Albemarle residents it happens to be a range about 6-8 miles east of you. It's at the old Fluvanna County landfill and is for the county law enforcement training. I wonder why you haven't thought about sending Alb's finest there? With what you are saying about the distance gun noise travels I'm sure you have heard the officers training there.
Concerned Scottsville

Wytheville, VA

#32 Jan 17, 2013
Just one simple question. How would you feel if were going to be put in your back yard? People living within a 1/2 mile of it will never be able to sell their property. If you disagree with my previous statement, why don't you go purchase one of these properties and pay a fair price for it. I am sure the present owners will be glad to sell to you.
David Dienner

Charlottesville, VA

#33 Jan 17, 2013
My wife and I live and work very close to THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR FIRING RANGE in Keene. Put yourself in our shoes: Would you want to listen to gunfire all day? Would you worry about stray bullets? Would you worry about the toxic lead in the bullets leaching into your drinking water? Would you want heavy earth-moving equipment stirring up unknown toxins at the site which is an abandoned dump? No, you would not want this to happen to you...nobody would!
The outdoor firing range in Keene IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!
Why not use an existing facility, or build it indoors?
PLEASE HELP US STOP THE COUNTY FROM RUINING OUR PEACE, SANITY AND HEALTH!
Thank you!
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#34 Jan 17, 2013
Whats the big need for a range anyway, the cops don't fight crime here, they write tickets. They're too scared to go after the drug market. Whens the last time a cop around here fired a shot? Whens the last time a cop actually used an AR15 aside to scare some poor guy with 2 pot plants. Let them practice on a WII.
Concerned Citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#35 Jan 17, 2013
It seems that almost everyone in Southern Albemarle county is opposed to the outdoor fire range proposed for the Keene Landfill. I am challenged to understand who would benefit? We live close by the site and will no doubt be blasted with noise pollution 100 times the current acceptable & allowable level outlined in the comprehensive plan. There is also A high risk of lead poisoning our land and water. A risk of disturbing a very poorly managed landfill that is filled with numerous metal drums filled with toxic chemicals that could spill over to the 3 water tributaries that run through the property - poisoning our water table. Our property value would decrease by 30% and those who live closer perhaps even more. This is an agricultural zone with large numbers of cows, horses, goats as well as domestic animals. I believe this could adversely affect the earning potential of our local farmers. The site is very close to an elementary school. How will this affect learning for these innocent children? Sure we all want a trained police force but how many times in 2012 did the county police officers actually pull their weapon? I had an occasion a few years back to call the police for assistance and it took them 50 minutes to respond. Wouldn't the hiring additional officers to decrease these response times make sense? How can our small county afford their own state of the art training facility? Where is the fiscal logic in this? I would rather see our tax dollars spent on hiring more officers and having them get their weapon training at a nearby facility that is truly a state of the art facility. Why do the citizens of southern Albemarle have to pay and suffer for a benefit that is allusive to our understanding? Please support our efforts to stop this?
Concerned Citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#36 Jan 17, 2013
FYI
There are Republican, Democrat and Tea Partyers in opposition of this issue. We are a mixed group working for a common good.
I Know

Martinsville, VA

#37 Jan 17, 2013
Laura wrote:
Not true. Look at the website the police have set up - they will use the range quite often, and also plan on doing night trainings. There are also future plans for a hazmat center and burn building. It's going to be a mess and the county can't afford it. Not to mention what it may do to property values. There are LOTS of other options for police to train.
And where is the money coming from - millions of dollars, when schools and other services are being cut. Sure, if I was a cop I would want my own local, private range - it would be great. But it doesn't make sense in light of the cost, other things that need funding, and community concerns.
There is not a police department with in 100 miles that has the training budget, overtime budget or ammo budget to shhot every day and use 4,000 rounds a day. Yes there will be a future fire training center that is also needed. Get over yourself, it's being built on an unuseable old dump. When you have to mail out a flyer packed with lies it already shows they are grasping at straws to make a point

They want the ACPD to shoot in Nottaway County....That's smart, lets hav 20% of the department two hours away if something horrible happens. saveruralalb.com is stupid. As for the business owners that support them like Justin Willey of Frank Hardy Real Esate and Realtor Jom Bonner, I will make sure I stear people away from your business!
Really Too

Martinsville, VA

#38 Jan 17, 2013
Concerned Citizen wrote:
It seems that almost everyone in Southern Albemarle county is opposed to the outdoor fire range proposed for the Keene Landfill. I am challenged to understand who would benefit? We live close by the site and will no doubt be blasted with noise pollution 100 times the current acceptable & allowable level outlined in the comprehensive plan. There is also A high risk of lead poisoning our land and water. A risk of disturbing a very poorly managed landfill that is filled with numerous metal drums filled with toxic chemicals that could spill over to the 3 water tributaries that run through the property - poisoning our water table. Our property value would decrease by 30% and those who live closer perhaps even more. This is an agricultural zone with large numbers of cows, horses, goats as well as domestic animals. I believe this could adversely affect the earning potential of our local farmers. The site is very close to an elementary school. How will this affect learning for these innocent children? Sure we all want a trained police force but how many times in 2012 did the county police officers actually pull their weapon? I had an occasion a few years back to call the police for assistance and it took them 50 minutes to respond. Wouldn't the hiring additional officers to decrease these response times make sense? How can our small county afford their own state of the art training facility? Where is the fiscal logic in this? I would rather see our tax dollars spent on hiring more officers and having them get their weapon training at a nearby facility that is truly a state of the art facility. Why do the citizens of southern Albemarle have to pay and suffer for a benefit that is allusive to our understanding? Please support our efforts to stop this?
Almost everyone huh, did you poll 25,000 people?
Sarice

Charlottesville, VA

#39 Jan 17, 2013
Why was the objection to lead pollution not mentioned in the article? Very small amounts of lead are toxic. Many of the speakers mentioned dangers from lead. Pulverized lead is dispersed from open Firing Ranges precisely because they are open. Then a wide area is polluted.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#40 Jan 17, 2013
The land deal ain't about police training.
Alan

Charlottesville, VA

#41 Jan 17, 2013
I started out thinking a range in our area was just fine. Well informed friends and neighbors have changed my mind. Take a look at the Save Rural Albemarle Website. You will find well thought out information there.
John

Charlottesville, VA

#42 Jan 17, 2013
GCV wrote:
Are you starting to notice a trend with the left wing. Yesterday Obama surrounds himself with children oh boo hoo hoo we have to take all these scary guns away for the sake of the children. I'm not sure who the bigger drama queen was Biden or Obama. Now we have all these anti-range people USING children in the same fashion and also acting like a bunch of drama queens. As others have said it's not just shooting paper targets. They need the room to train for multiple scenarios and what a better way than to reuse an old landfill. Property values? Your kidding right? Anyone that knew your house was next to a old landfill wouldn't buy it anyway.
Our phony president had other people's kids to make his point to take away our liberties. The anti range people were at the Abemarle County Board of Supervisors meeting with their own kids because they are truly concerned for their safety.
Rose

Charlottesville, VA

#43 Jan 17, 2013
Please look at SaveRuralAlb.com for well-researched information. No one has suggested that an OUTDOOR firing range be built elsewhere. Many have suggested that alternatives be explored and considered. This includes other nearby existing facilities and an indoor range in Scottsville. These are reasonable suggestions and all the taxpayers of Albemarle and the City of Charlottesville should want these considered. Yes, Frys Spring, the City of Charlottesville taxpayers will be forking over a lot of the cost.

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