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Albemarle Rescue Squad says it's being pressured to bill for ambulance service. Albemarle County supervisors are moving forward in the coming budget as if both the CARS and the Western Albemarle Rescue Squad will bill for services. Read more
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Coach

Charlottesville, VA

#41 Mar 30, 2012
Citizen_21 wrote:
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You my friend are a "LIAR" or just have no idea what the heck "YOU" are talking about
Your numbers are just a little off lets not forget the replacement of their squad truck. Where up to a $300,000 funding was established as a 50% contribution to the county "share" for this unit. If anyone cares to read for themselves go to the Albemarle County Fire Rescue website and read the agenda for 1/26/2011. So as we can see $170,000 a year is not the only funding that C.A.R.S. is getting from the county, and I also know if I dig far enough I will find more.
So "coach" do you care to retract your statement?
Strong words, my friend. I'll stand by what I wrote ... CARS has not taken a single cent from Albemarle County for ambulances or squad trucks. The $300,000 contribution you refer to is for a future replacement that may or may not take place. And even if it does, the cost of the new truck will be split 50/50 between the county and CARS and the vehicle will be cotitled. CARS will own half of it, having paid it's share with its own funds, and the county will own the other half. There will be no contribution of any kind involved in the transaction. I believe you are the one who needs to get their facts straight.
Toy Box Command

Charlottesville, VA

#42 Mar 30, 2012
Liberalace wrote:
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Hey, Citizen, where is a good place to get a trunking scanner programmed? I am having a heck of a time w/my Uniden.
R.I.P.: Bobby Troup
What model do you have? You can't pick up the new local 800 system with just any scanner now of course. It's got to be what is called "APCO 25" digital trunking.

I recommend the Radio Shack Pro-197 if you are going to buy a new one. It is a desk top model, also mobile if you choose to use it in a vehicle. Or the Pro-106, which is a hand held model. Watch their web site and they put them on sale for $299 real often.

Once you have it, I will program it for you free. I have the programming software on my laptop and program them for people all over the city and county.
TheNewBlackPante r

Washington, DC

#43 Mar 30, 2012
This whole thing is about racism. Plain and simple!
reality bites

Charlottesville, VA

#44 Mar 30, 2012
Great wrote:
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Can you not read? This has nothing to do with donations.
Second, my guess is you are ill-informed individual who knows nothing about the fine Rescue Squad your community has. Why don't you call up the Rescue Squad and ask them to show your their "AMAZING" fleet as you envisioned it and ask them why CARS vehicles are situated in front of certain homes.
My money is on if that car is situated and not moving, it is probably a good thing because it means there hasn't been a major vehicle crash that require extraction or something other important.
Doesn't matter where it it comes from it all goes to the bottom line. Why that includes providing vehicles to off duty people tells me there's too much money around.
Coach

Charlottesville, VA

#45 Mar 30, 2012
reality bites wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't matter where it it comes from it all goes to the bottom line. Why that includes providing vehicles to off duty people tells me there's too much money around.
Come on, folks! Those cars are in front of people's homes on a temporary basis, and ONLY when the people living there are on call. They need the car to respond to emergency situations, which they can't do in their own car.
Toy Box Command

Charlottesville, VA

#46 Mar 30, 2012
Coach wrote:
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Come on, folks! Those cars are in front of people's homes on a temporary basis, and ONLY when the people living there are on call. They need the car to respond to emergency situations, which they can't do in their own car.
I think "really bites" will never accept this no matter how many times a person tells him/her. What he/she should be concerned with is all the take home cars in the city and county police departments now, many of which travel into other adjoining counties. Like the Albemarle cop who wrecked his car on his way home to Waynesboro one night recently.

All these take home cars in the police departments are costing the taxpayers an arm and leg to fuel and maintain. Just to and from Waynesboro to the Albemarle Police Department easily burns 5 to 6 gallons of gas a day. Combined with the fact they have to be replaced twice as often because going to and from work is running the mileage up on them so fast. During the life of a Crown Victoria, 50,000 miles is just to and from work in many cases. The other 75,000 miles might actuallybe racked up during patrol. It's insane! In an effort to save customers money, Century Link did away with all their take-home vans a few years ago when gas started it's upward climb. The police departments in the city and county don't have to do this though, they are not interested in saving the county taxpayers any money, just raise taxes is their solution.
Citizen_21

Charlottesville, VA

#47 Mar 30, 2012
Coach wrote:
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Strong words, my friend. I'll stand by what I wrote ... CARS has not taken a single cent from Albemarle County for ambulances or squad trucks. The $300,000 contribution you refer to is for a future replacement that may or may not take place. And even if it does, the cost of the new truck will be split 50/50 between the county and CARS and the vehicle will be cotitled. CARS will own half of it, having paid it's share with its own funds, and the county will own the other half. There will be no contribution of any kind involved in the transaction. I believe you are the one who needs to get their facts straight.
Lets just call a spade a spade here you know that CARS is getting the new truck and 50% of it is coming from the county. Co-titling and everything else has nothing to do with it. The truth is they are getting a large chunk of money from the county beyond what the county gives them for operating costs. So now you are telling me it might not get purchased is CARS going to give back all the donations they received specifically for this truck if it doesn't get purchased. Hmmm... interesting also according to the agenda from the County Fire Rescue website 9/28/2011 and I quote "CARS Command 139 was slated to be replaced for FY16. However, due to mechanical issues it is being moved to current year (FY12)" Now if CARS does not get any capital funding for vehicles from the county then why is county fire & rescue talking about replacing it. You still going to say that the only money that the county gives you is $170,000.00. Where did you get all the new radios when the new 800 went into place. What about all the new pagers that was purchased to notify people of the calls. Did CARS purchase it all with donations.. I do not think so.
reality bites

Charlottesville, VA

#48 Mar 30, 2012
Toy Box Command wrote:
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I think "really bites" will never accept this no matter how many times a person tells him/her. What he/she should be concerned with is all the take home cars in the city and county police departments now, many of which travel into other adjoining counties. Like the Albemarle cop who wrecked his car on his way home to Waynesboro one night recently.
All these take home cars in the police departments are costing the taxpayers an arm and leg to fuel and maintain. Just to and from Waynesboro to the Albemarle Police Department easily burns 5 to 6 gallons of gas a day. Combined with the fact they have to be replaced twice as often because going to and from work is running the mileage up on them so fast. During the life of a Crown Victoria, 50,000 miles is just to and from work in many cases. The other 75,000 miles might actuallybe racked up during patrol. It's insane! In an effort to save customers money, Century Link did away with all their take-home vans a few years ago when gas started it's upward climb. The police departments in the city and county don't have to do this though, they are not interested in saving the county taxpayers any money, just raise taxes is their solution.
Your right, I will never bow to waste and abuse on any level.
Great

Charlottesville, VA

#49 Mar 30, 2012
DirtKicker wrote:
I think that if CARS can continue to provide service by not billing, let them. The whole way the revenue recovery system works is goofy anyways. Say CARS runs 5000 calls a year and bills a flat $500 a call and every single person paid their bill, total recovered is $2.5 million, so CARS gets that money back right? You would think so since they ran the call, but this is not how it works. The $2.5 mil goes to the county's general fund (even the money from the city citizens), and then the county gets to decided how much money that CARS gets back. I could get behind this if the county would guarantee that the every cent recovered would go back to the rescue squad that ran the call, but then the county doesn't get to see this money. The county wants to push CARS into billing because in 2011, CARS ran 5046 calls, 2,382 of them in Albemarle County (source: http://warhammer.mcc.virginia.edu/cars/pdf/CA... ). If CARS still billed a flat $500 per call and every single person paid their bill,$2,523,000 goes into the county's general fund, and that makes all the folks on the Board of Supervisors get all tingly inside. The county did originally approach CARS because they had to send their send their medics to the Richmond area to get released and get experience. If the county pulled their medics from CARS could they still get their new medics release and get them some experience? Sure, they have two ambulances now and one during the week in Scottsville, but it would take a significantly much longer, as the two county ambulances and Scottsville have nowhere near the call volume that CARS has. According to my previous source, of the 2,382 calls in the county that CARS ran, 2,247 of them were in their own first due (i.e. not covering a call for a county ambulance who was tied up on another call), so that's 2,247 calls that Albemarle County would have to start covering. You can be your butt that if Albemarle pushes CARS and CARS stops running calls in the county, Albemarle County Taxes will increase, as there will have to be a significant number of people hired, equipment bought, and buildings build to house them, and remember, Albemarle County isn't content with building a modest firehouse, they insist on going all out (Station 12, Hollymeade Fire & Rescue cost over $12 million alone, without apparatus or furnishing, Station 11, Monticello Fire & Rescue was around the $7 million mark itself). The county sees this as easy money during these hard times, but it not right that the county gets to decide how the funds are split up. If you run 5000 calls, you should get 5000 calls worth of revenue recovery, instead you are enabling the county by funding whatever agenda that it wants. Yes folks, it really is this simple.
Just so you know, the YTD just marks 3 months.
Great

Charlottesville, VA

#50 Mar 30, 2012
reality bites wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't matter where it it comes from it all goes to the bottom line. Why that includes providing vehicles to off duty people tells me there's too much money around.
Again, you should call the local Rescue Squad to get the truth.
But, I highly doubt C-ARS is administering their vehicles to off-duty personnel!
In fact, what proof do you have that it is off-duty other than you seeing it in a driveway that never moves.
Great

Charlottesville, VA

#51 Mar 30, 2012
Citizen_21 wrote:
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Lets just call a spade a spade here you know that CARS is getting the new truck and 50% of it is coming from the county. Co-titling and everything else has nothing to do with it. The truth is they are getting a large chunk of money from the county beyond what the county gives them for operating costs. So now you are telling me it might not get purchased is CARS going to give back all the donations they received specifically for this truck if it doesn't get purchased. Hmmm... interesting also according to the agenda from the County Fire Rescue website 9/28/2011 and I quote "CARS Command 139 was slated to be replaced for FY16. However, due to mechanical issues it is being moved to current year (FY12)" Now if CARS does not get any capital funding for vehicles from the county then why is county fire & rescue talking about replacing it. You still going to say that the only money that the county gives you is $170,000.00. Where did you get all the new radios when the new 800 went into place. What about all the new pagers that was purchased to notify people of the calls. Did CARS purchase it all with donations.. I do not think so.
1 point.
Neither Rescue 11 nor Rescue 12 have a Squad truck.
The county relies on CARS to provide VEHEXT for their first due, so while you might get an ambulance from Hollymead, C-ARS will be providing the squad truck to cut them out. Maybe, just maybe that is why the county is chipping in for one.

Food for thought. Since you own a scanner, you should be able to hear that real clear amirite?
Great

Charlottesville, VA

#52 Mar 30, 2012
reality bites wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't matter where it it comes from it all goes to the bottom line. Why that includes providing vehicles to off duty people tells me there's too much money around.
In fact, if you check their website... they tell you what vehicles they own...

Bicycle Medic Team
8 Medic Ambulances
2 ALS Zone Cars
2 Command Cars
2 Heavy Squad Trucks
Water Rescue Truck and 3 boats
Technical Rescue Truck
Mass Casualty Incident Truck
Collapse Response Trailer
Special Events Trailer
Citizen_21

Charlottesville, VA

#53 Mar 30, 2012
Great wrote:
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1 point.
Neither Rescue 11 nor Rescue 12 have a Squad truck.
The county relies on CARS to provide VEHEXT for their first due, so while you might get an ambulance from Hollymead, C-ARS will be providing the squad truck to cut them out. Maybe, just maybe that is why the county is chipping in for one.
Food for thought. Since you own a scanner, you should be able to hear that real clear amirite?
What the heck does that have to do with anything?? My point is that CARS pretends that they only get a a little amount of money from the county and that is not true. The county gives them a lot if they did revenue recovery they would probably get more. The city of Charlottesville gives them nothing. I am an Albemarle tax payer I am not happy at all that my taxes are going to pay for an ambulance to provide "free" transports. Rescue 7, 11, & 12 charge. Do you here anyone crying about there bills because they got transported, no you do not. It is also a joke that they have 100% volunteer plastered all over the side of their ambulance. You can not be 100% volunteer and accept paid staff from the county to cover your day time calls. Yeah Yeah I know they are doing the county a favor by getting their medics cleared quicker. Again I would love to see CARS have 100% compliance for first due calls during the day heck I would like to see them have 50% compliance for first due calls during the day "without" the counties help. CARS has an ambulance up at Berkmar they can not even get that out the door half the time no matter what day of the week it is.
Citizen_21

Charlottesville, VA

#54 Mar 30, 2012
Great wrote:
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Consider calling up C-ARS and finding out what that actually means. Maybe you will learn something about your local Rescue Squad.
What do I need to learn that during the day "the 100% volunteer all the time" people at cars have no one to cover their building when the county paid guys that is provided to them is tied up on calls.
EMT

Charlottesville, VA

#55 Mar 30, 2012
Citizen_21 wrote:
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What do I need to learn that during the day "the 100% volunteer all the time" people at cars have no one to cover their building when the county paid guys that is provided to them is tied up on calls.
On occasion everyone is out of the building running another call and hasn't reported to ECC that they are in service. Usually there's a unit available to take the call, but it hasn't marked back into service yet. If all you hear is the UHF then all you're hearing is the page -not the response and dialogue between the units and ECC. Every station has this happen to it, just Rescue 1 more than others. And before you tell me you hear it multiple times, big whoop -that's the nature of this work sometimes. If worst comes to worse station 11, 12, or UVA Medic 5 can assist in place. That's called mutual assistance. Rescue 7 and Rescue 11 run a lot of calls in Fluvanna for mutual assistance as well. Rescue 1 will even cover 7 and 11s call areas -they're just not the first due.
Great

Charlottesville, VA

#56 Mar 30, 2012
Citizen_21 wrote:
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What the heck does that have to do with anything?? My point is that CARS pretends that they only get a a little amount of money from the county and that is not true. The county gives them a lot if they did revenue recovery they would probably get more. The city of Charlottesville gives them nothing. I am an Albemarle tax payer I am not happy at all that my taxes are going to pay for an ambulance to provide "free" transports. Rescue 7, 11, & 12 charge. Do you here anyone crying about there bills because they got transported, no you do not. It is also a joke that they have 100% volunteer plastered all over the side of their ambulance. You can not be 100% volunteer and accept paid staff from the county to cover your day time calls. Yeah Yeah I know they are doing the county a favor by getting their medics cleared quicker. Again I would love to see CARS have 100% compliance for first due calls during the day heck I would like to see them have 50% compliance for first due calls during the day "without" the counties help. CARS has an ambulance up at Berkmar they can not even get that out the door half the time no matter what day of the week it is.
I appreciate how very little you know about EMS yet all you have is the "NOT 100% COMPLIANCE, NOT 100% VOLUNTEER, GETS MORE THAN 170K FROM THE COUNTY" banner and the little radio of yours so stick with whatever makes you sleep better at night.

As an Albemarle County Taxpayer, do you know how else is your county wasting your taxes?

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