Rescue Policy Changed After Alameda D...

Rescue Policy Changed After Alameda Drowning

There are 9 comments on the Free Republic story from Jun 1, 2011, titled Rescue Policy Changed After Alameda Drowning. In it, Free Republic reports that:

When a fully clothed, apparently suicidal man walked into the San Francisco Bay from Shoreline Drive, in Alamdea County, all the would-be rescuers could do was watch.

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Fremont, CA

#1 Jun 1, 2011
Ray Zack was friend of mine. We did volunteer work together years ago, but eventually lost touch with each other. He was a great person. Gentle , and soft-spoken, always ready to help. I wished they would have helped him. I will miss Ray.
Sue Ray Zack s parents

Houston, TX

#2 Jun 2, 2011
If they had him learn how to swim as a kid, it would have been difficult for Ray Zack to have drowned him self in the bay.

People have to stop blaming government for what individual's do when they are no longer being responsible for them selves.
Concerned Veteran

Portland, OR

#3 Jun 2, 2011
The temp of water the Bay is 54 degrees, that is not frigid. All of the cowardly police officers and fireman that are paid to help people in need watched and did nothing should be charged with Manslaughter. I've read the reports stating their hands were tied, there is no excuse for that; stating that is what the guards of the concentration camps said during their trials at Nuremberg "I was only following orders".
BTW, it takes over 50 minutes for hypothermia to set when entering and remaining in water at that temp.

Pleasanton, CA

#4 Jun 2, 2011
Deuce, you are a fool. This was an obvious case of unnecessarily sacrificing a human being ( child or adult…any citizen of ANY age ) on the city's political altar. ER personnel whom are used to responding to incidents of a lesser urgency, within minutes, had an hour to figure this one out. What for instance, stopped them from contacting sister fire depts say in Berkeley, Oakland, Piedmont, Cerritos, San Leandro, Hayward, etc.. for assistance, after the Coast Guard made it clear they were on another call? DID ALL OF THESE OF OTHER ( BAY AREA=WATER AREA ) FIRE DEPTS NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY CERTS AS WELL?? WERE ALL OF THEM GOING THROUGH A SIMILAR POLITICAL HAGGLE? Do they don't have boats? Do they don't posses water rescue equipment? Don't other fire/police agencies from other cities assist themselves when the need arises? Yes they do. Why did the City Alameda not do so in this case? My thinking is that they indeed took this incident as an "opportunity" to make a point to the city as it related their internal political wranglings. And, this is a case of opportunism in its lowest form. I agree with some of the other writers. The mayor, police and fire chiefs and all the cops/fire guys that that were out present and duty at the scene, should be summarily fired. Some should be easily criminally prosecuted. That should help get rid of a lot of deadwood, and assist with the budget problem. If there was ever an "opportunity" to help ease the Alameda budget, this is it. There hasn't been any effective leadership for a while it seems. And, that's probably trickled into other areas not publicized. An ER doc doesn't let a patient unreasonably die on the table, just because a stupid policy ( derived from the word: po-li-tics..) gets in his way. Policy is not law. It's a policy. And, in this case, there was an imminent threat of death, where this policy carried very little credibility. That argument ( for re-certs, etc..) could have been made after the rescue, regardless of what it meant to the threat of the fire/police personnel's safety. That's what they're hired/paid/benefited to do.

United States

#5 Jun 2, 2011
Absolutely ridiculous. Your taxpayer dollars are paying these buffoons.
Who is responsible

United States

#6 Jun 3, 2011
Absolutely ridiculous. People want to wast tax dollars on suing the goverment because he was irrational and killed himself.
Who knew that he was going to kill himself? A man about to jump off a bridge or a building has obvious intent. He could have jumped into deep water from a pier or a dock. No! he waded into water where he could still touch bottom with his head above water. It's no wonder why everyone was standing there watching. No one knew what he was doing until he achieved what he set out to do. Now what? do you want to call the cops every time a young person wades into water or goes skinny dipping? Do you want to make swimming pools illegal? Swimming is the most dangerous sport. More people die in swimming than in any other sport. Do we make it illegal? No! That is stupid because swimming also saves lives. If Ray Zack's mother had taken him to learn how to swim when he was a kid, it would have been more difficult for him to drown him self. Try to kill your self by holding your breath. Try to kill your self by drowning when you already know how to swim. Your body knows what to do when it wants oxygen.

Shame on you Dolores Berry for not taking your child to swimming lessons when he was a kid. This is your fault as a mother; not the fault of public officials. You should be billed for the emergency responder's time Dolores Berry. You are a bad mother. You did not take your son to learn how to swim when he was a kid. Accept your responsibility as a mother.
Bad old mother.
Who is responsible

United States

#7 Jun 3, 2011
Maybe someone should investigate to see if someone in the family has dire need of money and whether Zack or someone else in the family took out a life insurance policy on him in the recent past. Sue happy people will do anything for money.

Columbus, OH

#8 Jul 16, 2011
Bobblehead57 wrote:
Ray Zack was friend of mine. We did volunteer work together years ago, but eventually lost touch with each other. He was a great person. Gentle , and soft-spoken, always ready to help. I wished they would have helped him. I will miss Ray.
its mid july and i just heard an old friends life has come to an end. i went to grade school and high school and ohio state w/ ray l.ray had a big heart .never caused troulbe or lost his temper. he had the god given gift of height and size and was athletic . he never took advantage of anyone. i have'nt seen him in over 30 years but i consider him my friend and feel proud to hang out and grow up w/ him. i dont know what was on his mind to get that depressed, i do know he was compassionate and would have helped anyone in his situation. we both grew up catholics and hopefully it will be gods will we meet again in heaven some day. we all live in a fallen world and we deal w/ crap every day, some handle the pains better than others. i think its fair to say the people w/ hearts the size of rays tend to get it broken more often.i feel for rays family and friends. may god have mercy on his soul. john

Daly City, CA

#9 Jul 29, 2011
what if it was one of those police officers/fire fighters beloved family member that was committing the suicide?

damn. poor man. didn't have anyone related to him in the service.

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