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#23 Jun 12, 2008
You also said in your last post By the way...Why does it matter whether money is turned in or not, or whether She got mad at a few people that she thinks are Smolich's father?. It does matter because you and her are asking the readers to automatically believe you and we do not know you any more than we know the father or Mr. Klinger or any of the other responders. When you make accusations or assumptions about people that you can not prove about people and purposely antagonize people the way you both have and post them publicly on the internet, it does not come across very well and makes you look like the aggressor. That is also a double standard. And stealing is stealing no matter how you define it.
You also mentioned something about her comments being taken out of context. How could they be taken out of context ? She wrote them and posted them and people read them just as she posted them. How do you justify taking out of context the fact that she admitted to stealing and Mr. Klinger said he proved that she lied ?
She seems to have a lot of hate for the father and blames him for the son's actions. That is understandable but also is an invalid conclusion unless you are also going to blame the mother for raising an internet model and porno star and that makes no sense either. She also seems to be implying that her daughter is being held against her will. If she has no proof, legally she is wrong and could be opening herself up to possible legal action depending on the depth of her accusations. Parents are not responsible for their adult children, the father for his son or the mother for her daughter in this case. Apparently both children are both over 21.
She needs to let go of that hate and focus on contacting her daughter as all of that anger is not healthy. Unfortunately the fact also remains that it may be her daughter who does not want to come home or contact her for whatever reason.
I do not know about any attacks from the mother on the father but the posts that I did see from her towards other individuals are disturbing and do raise some credibility issues about her in my mind and probably in the minds of others. She does not seem to want to take any responsibility for her statements but always seems to come back with an argument and takes it out on others. I am just telling you what I see in her own posts and the replies to her posts from the people she has had verbal confrontations with. If you look at what is available, you can only come to the same conclusion as I have. People do have a right to disagree with each other without getting criticized, unjustly accused or attacked verbally. How can I or anyone else come to any other conclusion than to be suspicious of her credibility after what she has posted ? It is also presumptuous and morally and legally wrong to automatically blame the father or anyone else just because you think they posted something.
I also have to ask the obvious question - do you or the mother personally know the father or any of the people she may have offended? If not, then you are also being aggressively assumptive and may be aggravating the situation by making accusations that may not be true or are based on rumor or fabrication. What other individuals tell you is also biased and legally inadmissible because if they did not personally hear what an individual said or were not present at the time an incident occurred, the information they provide you with is considered hearsay because it could be rumor or biased and is not accurate information. I can not tell you how many times we see in the legal community that an ex-spouse or ex-in-law or ex-friend has made an untruthful, hateful or embellished accusation just to get back at someone. Emotions cause people to do many strange things and many, many of them regret it later because of punitive damages awarded against them for libel or slander or are incarcerated for perjury.
#24 Jun 12, 2008
MY question is simply this: No matter what the mother may or may not have done, she is looking for her missing daughter, so why post stuff about her she has said to friends on other websites? What bearing does it have? And on another board, where the exact same post was listed, it was traced. It is either Smolichs father, or someone who lives in the same house. My bet: Smolichs father.
#25 Jun 12, 2008
Oh, and as an aferthought, no, you are wrong. Not everything said can be looked up. The stuff about the Boulder cops and such cannot be, any more than Smolichs comments on that board, since the board was taken down a few months ago. So no, you cannot look it up, unless you have a magic computer or something!
#26 Jun 15, 2008
To Smolich Hater - In reply to your comment of "No matter what the mother may or may not have done, she is looking for her missing daughter, so why post stuff about her she has said to friends on other websites? What bearing does it have?"
I am glad that you agree with the points that I was trying to make to you both. I also agree with what you said, tha being just what bearing does it have or better yet, how relevent are the inflammatory posts you both are putting out on the web towards the father or others that have been offended by the mothers comments if they are based on rumor, hate, emotion or assumption or whatever other feelings apply.
Information that is not a proven truth just should not be broadcast publicly; by you, the mother, the father or anyone. It is problematic and morally and legally wrong.
Regarding the information that you say is no longer availabel, all I know is that when I googled it weeks ago, it was there. As far as someone tracking down the information, it will be exactly the same information if it was googled, copied from the original site and pasted on to another site; that is how I found it on the original site. Anyone could have done that. If you now tell me that it is gone, I have to take you at your word but then the problem for me is Why did somone take the information down, are they trying to hide information or do not want it to be seen for some reason ?
I also have been told that there is software out on the market that will allow you to chamge your computer address and do so repeatedly so I do not know how valid your arguement is that it came from a particular house.
My main point is that you should move on and focus on the daughter. Harboring anger, hate, revenge, being paranoid about the father based on assumptions he is posting information or the mother sending anry posts to Mr. Klinger and the other people that were listed is just not healthy.
I wish you both well and hope you can find peace and contentment in your heart and can focus on the main task at hand.
My thoughts go out to all involved
#27 Jun 16, 2008
FYI..The site was called " stiffs.com " and was taken down off proboards because Mr Smolich threatened to sue them. That came from the owner of proboards himself.
#28 Jun 16, 2008
I do not know about the site name, all I know is that when I googled, the information came up. I saw the exact same information that was posted that you accused the father of posting. It is possible that someone is not telling you the truth about taking it down or did not take it down when they said they did or the information was also posted somewhere else too. Sorry that i can not remember the exact same name. I can tell you it was in the last 4 or 5 weeks though because it was after I cam back from my business trip.
It might have been in the cache link or similar sites link that I found it in for that site you mentioned but I do not remember - sorry.
I will be traveling again out of the country soon so I will not be logging on anymore after that.
I can see that he may have had justification to sue the site and the person who posted the information if the information said about him was libelous or heresay or fabricated.
Good luck Cougar43
#29 Jun 22, 2008
I believe that this is the pediophile's father who has said that he will prtect his son at all cost. The apple did not fall far from the tree.
#30 Jun 26, 2008
To DRO "You believe it is the father "?
It certainly is a shame that in America where people are suppossed to be innocent until proven guilty that anyone would accuse someone of anything based on a "belief" !
What if someone "Believed" you were a rapist and accused you of it publicly on the internet and then said you had not fallen far from your parents tree ? See how ridiculous this sounds ?
Your belief about who you think posted your copied and pasted information is irrelevent and baseless. I would think that what would be more relevent is whether or not the information provided about furbin8R was true or not. If it is true and using the same logic you have used, we would have to also assume that the daughter is also an apple who has not fallen far from the furbin8R tree. Do you see how ridiculous your logic is ?
Just so I understand, you are saying that because a child does something, that makes the parent automatically guilty or an accomplice in what ever has been done ? Now I understand.
Obviously you are not a Christian.
#31 Jun 26, 2008
If you are Jewish, you are not Christian, but, not everyone chooses to be Christian to begin with, and that hardly makes you better just to say you are one. In any case, IF you knew everything, and not just the crap you read here, you would know. There are many players in this, and EVERYONE that knows this man, knows it is him. We are just better informed than you. As for "furbin8r" there is absolutely nothing on the internet that says she ever took any money, and may be something someone made up to discredit her. ANYONE can use that name anywhere, just like I could use Cougar43 and say I am you. Additionally, her frustration with the Colorado police is relevent, and justified, again, if you knew the whole story. She has been nothing but harrassed by Smolich's father, which can be proven, and no, the apple does not fall far from the tree in this case. On one hand you have a beautiful, smart girl loved by everyone she met, and on the other she may still be with a possible sociopath and a confirmed felon/pedophile, and a father who spouts all over the internet that he wouldnt turn him in. In a "Christian" way get ALL the facts before you write, and more importantly, don't believe everything you read. BTW..for your info, the stuff Smolichs dad wrote was verified he wrote in a phone conversation, so, there was no question about the validity. Get with the program. This is a MISSING DAUGHTER, with a man trying his best to thwart the efforts to find her, and his pedophile/felon son. You are most likely his wife, or maybe Bill himself, since anyone that knows the story wouldnt doubt it was him who wrote that dribble, plus you keep coming back to plead the case like it matters. It doesnt, its him who wrote it, maybe even used the furbin8r name to write stuff in the first place, and he WILL get a very rude awakening.
#32 Jun 28, 2008
BTW...You really should have read the stuff his father wrote. Go to stiffs.com and ask on that site who thinks he is crazy, and why his son is the way he is. They will have many answers. Im sure maybe even a few put him on their deadpool lists just out of hope!
#33 Jun 28, 2008
One more hilarious thing...from the first posting of his dribble he says "People should Google Furbin8R and Meadowmist18". He always got the meadowmist name wrong..and this is how he ALWAYS posted it. I would bet my last dollar it is him. So..lay off.
#34 Jun 28, 2008
he posted it on 5 different sites..IT WAS HIM posting it..if you read it, but, conviently, you dont "remember". In fact, the newsteam in salem took it off the site, and out and out said it sopunded like Smolich or his family. We are not the only one that sees this. It was posted nowhere but by his mind. I know 3 people who took it off their sites because they knew it was Tom Smolich who posted it. So, since HE posted the same crap 5 different times, it must be correct, huh? I saw NOTHING written by furbin8r herself about this. How very interesting.
#35 Jul 7, 2008
Since I am in and our a lot, it has taken me several days to respond to all of your statements and I will date them accordingly but I do want to respond to all of your posts and will post all of my responses at once when completed. I apologize up front if there is some duplicity or redundancy in my responses but if I am away from a topic for several days, especially when traveling a lot, I tend to forget what I may have already written. This may also be lenghty and rambling but I did want to make sure that I answered your questions and statements.
Acting Christian is a generic term that means doing what God would want you to do. Obviously it should not matter whether one is Jewish or Christian or Muslim etc. to be able to know right from wrong. I never said that being a Christian is better than being Jewish; you said that, not me. I would not do something like that.
I also take offense to your disrespectful and sarcastic reference to my being Christian. Did I disrespect your religious beliefs? No. I would think that we would all have the same basic values and should not have to be told right from wrong. You may have been born into the Jewish faith through your parents and ancestors but hearing the prejudicial, hateful things you post and believe in, it is obvious that you do not follow that faith or any faith for that matter.
Even your posting name Smolich Hater is prejudicial, incendiary and hateful. Do you actually feel that it is morally or legally right to blame someone for something that YOU THINK THEY DID and/or for something one of their children did? My Gosh then every parent in this world (including you if you have children) is automatically guilty by your shaded logic. All children, either when they are very young, in their teens or during adulthood lie, many steal, do drugs, rape, murder, rob etc.
Look at the crime statistics in this country and across the world. Do you really think you can justify blaming the parents for what their children do? God help us if there are more out there that believe like you do. I do know that if you really believe the hateful, discriminatory and unsubstantiated things that you post and if you truly feel that you have done nothing wrong by accusing people of things they may not have done, then I know I am a better person than you, Christian or Jewish.
For some reason you are being disrespectful and antagonistic towards me by making accusations and assumptions that you think may be true just because you do not like hearing my logical and objective point of view. I could get antagonistic and disrespectful to you just like your last posts have been to me but I choose not to because adults do not react that way, at least mature responsible ones dont. You have no basis for any of your allegations yet you accuse me of what you think just because I respond with logical answers to your questions and you obviously do not like it because I make sense. Apparently I am hitting a nerve so I would have to assume that you are a very close, blindly loyal, non-objective friend or relative of furbin8r.
I would also surmise that you are more than likely a very immature younger adult who has a very negative view of people in general. Sadly, prejudice and anger have clouded your mind and you have not allowed logic, common sense, objectivity or your religious teachings (if any) to enter into the equation.
I did not answer your posts to preach to you or disrespect you or with any malice in mind. Nor do I expect to be or will I tolerate being preached to or be disrespected by you or anyone else. You responded to me in your last posts with some inflammatory, incendiary and sarcastic remarks about my being Christian and that I should LAY OFF. I resent your sarcasm and take offense to it. I think I last heard the term Lay Off years ago in high school which makes me question your age and maturity level. Also, a person could take Lay Off as a threat, should I?
#36 Jul 7, 2008
Your childish statement to the father of he will get a rude awakening could also be interpreted as a threat. What should the father get a rude awakening for, being a father, probably defending himself and responding to inflammatory statements from the mother, furbin8r? I hate to keep calling her furbin8r, it is so impersonal, but I have forgotten her name.
You also mentioned that I keep coming back to this site to plead the case like it matters. You also keep coming back to this site to respond to my posts like it matters. However you and I keep coming back for different reasons. I keep coming back to logically and objectively answer your questions and responses which are now becoming ridiculously redundant. You on the other hand keep coming back to exacerbate written confrontations and assign blame to someone when you do not even know if they are any more guilty than furbin8r. I have not said anything to you that any mature, objective person with any common sense would not say to you, that being to accuse someone of anything without proof is basically wrong.
In your last posts you wrote,IF you knew everything, and not just the crap you read here, you would know. You said it correctly, and I agree with you. That is what I have been trying to get across to you all along but evidently it is hot sinking in. There is nothing but Crap on the internet chat rooms, gossip sites or whatever you choose to call them. You also can not know everything or actually anything about anyone based on rumor, innuendos or gossip from other people, which is exactly what you and furbin8r are doing. I would also agree that your statement virtually validates everything I have been saying. There is no way to know for sure what is true and what is not true without proof. Feelings or saying I Just Know it is the father or hoping it is does not count, morally or legally.
#37 Jul 7, 2008
I can only assume that you are either a very young adult or a teenager because of the manner in which you state your ideas and the things you say. I am sorry but a mature adult would not accuse someone of anything based on a belief or what you may think they have done. It is immature, irresponsible and morally wrong. I can only assume you say the things you do because you have either been raised to be skeptical and hateful by your parents or you are too young to really know how people are supposed to treat each other.
You mentioned that "anyone who knows the father knows he did the postings. I did not know that you or furbin8r or anyone else that you tout from these really intelligent chat sites really knows the father. By anyone who knows the father, are you referring to the individuals on chat rooms who read his and your posts and irresponsibly form opinions and make decisions based on that?
By your statement, you are implying that "everyone" knows him personally and can verify it was him who posted things. Not a valid argument since you have admitted that the only information any of you have is based on your belief it was his postings and his responses to furbin8R or possibly information from other people who may be prejudiced because of their non-objective, blind loyalty to her. Do you know the father personally ? I think not from your posts. If not, none of your statements or allegations have any validity. More importantly, does the mother, furbin8r, know the father personally? From everything that I have seen, NO she does not. Therefore, you are basing all of your statements on hear say information from furbin8r, an individual that may have a credibility issue and is definitely prejudiced. Even if he posted this information, that does not mean he authored them. He or anyone else she may have angered could have copied them from a web site or sites and pasted them into other sites and not be the original author. Are you really listening to what you and furbin8r are saying?
I am much more realistic and objective than you in the fact that I try to see both sides realistically and logically and do not just jump to conclusions based on anger, revenge, rumor or prejudice.
#38 Jul 7, 2008
I will give you a perfect example of how your logic is invalid and totally wrong. I quote from this NBC News article. Updated 10:21 a.m. CT, Fri., Dec. 12, 2003 from the Katie Couric interview.
In the summer of 2002, the Smarts story transfixed a nation. Every parent, every person, felt their anguish then. Their daughter was snatched from her bed in the middle of the night, her fate unknown for nine long months. Most people, even the Smarts themselves, believed she might be dead. Police were going through lists of everyone the Smarts knew, everyone whod ever been in their home. Very soon they hit on a name: Richard Ricci.
Ed Smart said:Circumstantially, he was the person.
Ricci was a handyman whod worked in the Smart home in the spring and summer of 2001. Checking his background, police found he had a history of violent crime. When they questioned him, they found he seemed to have put hundreds of miles on his jeep around the time of Elizabeths abduction, but he wouldnt say how. And there was something else. Richard Ricci admitted stealing from the homes of the Smarts and one of their neighbors.
Ed Smart said:We didnt find out until we were into the investigation that he had broken into our neighbors home. When that came up, it was just like this big light turned on, like well, good heavens.
Police held Ricci for parole violations. They leaned on him hard all through June and July, but he denied kidnapping Elizabeth. Then, on August 27, the prime suspect had a brain aneurysm. Richard Ricci died August 30 without ever regaining consciousness.
Everyone(which is the all encompassing term you continually use) knew that Ricci did it and were devastated because now that he was dead, they would never find out where Elizabeth was or even if she was still alive. Guess what! Eventually the police found out that Ricci did not do it. The kidnapper was in fact a kook and religious fanatic that called himself Emmanuel, whose real name is Brian David Mitchell, age 48. My point is Everyone as you like to say, just knew it was Ricci. It wasnt.
#39 Jul 7, 2008
You have to have proof before you accuse people of anything, it is irresponsible to evaluate someones alleged faults strictly on belief or rumors. Also please note that I used facts to prove my point to you. I am not just saying these things because I just know it is him or Everyone knows it is him as you consistently write. Do you see how ridiculous, immature, prejudicial, illogical and unreasonable your comments are? That is why our judicial system is predicated on "PROVEN FACTS, not just yours or anyone elses feelings of anger, hatred or assumptions about someone who may not even be guilty of anything.
I am not talking about the charges against furbin8rs daughters boyfriend, Bill in my comments here. I am referring exclusively to your apparent insidious hatred and anger towards Mr. Smolich, the father, who in all actuality may be innocent of what you are accusing him of. If you can not see that then I really believe that you need to talk to someone that you know and trust like your Rabbi, if you even see one. Maybe he can explain to you better than I why you are probably wrong but refuse to admit it.
Without the Proof Prior to Conviction Concept in this country, many more innocent people would be convicted, incarcerated and possibly executed for crimes they did not commit.
#40 Jul 7, 2008
You suggested that the stories about the mother were made up by the father. OK, I will consider that but then logically, the stories about the father could have been made up by furbin8r. You can not have it both ways. If it is possible for the father, then it is also possible for furbin8r, right?
I am appalled that you could actually think that someone could make up all of that information that was posted; including names, dates and times. If the information that was allegedly posted by furbin8r, the mother, is no longer on the internet, it certainly is possible that it could simply have been removed and certainly does not mean that it did not exist or that she did not write it. You want everyone to believe that just because you say something is true about the father that we should all automatically believe you. You also want us to not believe everything that was posted about furbin8r just because you say she is innocent. You cant have it both ways. No offense but no one knows you or furbin8r any better than we know the father.
All we know about either of you is what was posted and you are insisting that we are to automatically believe what you or furbin8r says without proof? Do you see how irresponsible and absurd that is? I was not raised or educated that way to blindly follow everyone else like a sheep.
Do you have any proof that the father posted anything other than you think he did? No! Do you have any proof that the mother did not post the things that I saw on the web other than you say you know she did not post them? No! Do you know her personally and if so, are you with her 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year to know that she could not have put things on the web, either from her home, remotely from a laptop while she was mobile, from someone elses house, her work, a library or other public place with computer access? No! It is impossible for you to be with another person 24 x 7 and monitor everything they do. You don't know any more than I know or dont know about these topics. You only know what you have been told or have read. Neither source is 100% credible because there is no confirmation. No, someone else saying they read something or heard something does not count either, that is still considered hear say.
#41 Jul 7, 2008
I can tell you that furbin8r does post a lot on the web because when I did Google her to confirm the information I read on this topic, she popped up a lot on numerous sites and some of her posts were definitely were a little bit off-color, obnoxious and self-incriminating. I do not say or post anything I am not sure of or can not prove unless I am just stating my objective opinion.
As far as your logic about the father misspelled meadowmist so it had to be him; that also makes no sense. If someone had copied her misspelled email name and pasted it into a word document, of course it is going to be spelled incorrectly the same way every time that person accessed it and copied it from the word document to paste into 5 or 500 posts. Anyone could have done that; the father, any of the other individuals the mother may have alienated, even you.
You say furbin8r was justified in berating the Boulder police? To berate anyone publicly, especially the law enforcement, is immature and just makes the berater look like a fool. To me it just shows what she may be capable of and the possible pattern of her antagonistic accusations. I am appalled that you or anyone would automatically accuse someone of something just because you think they did something. Yet you staunchly state that the mother is completely innocent and you put the blame on other people for everything that she allegedly had written or done. You have no proof that she did not antagonize the father or others with her posts any more than you have proof that the father or anyone else is to blame for anything. Your accusations are based on anger, emotion and revenge, all very dangerous areas especially when it leads to possible false accusations of other people and possible libel or slanderous legal repercussions for you and/or furbin8r.
#42 Jul 7, 2008
If the emails about the Boulder police deputy and his supervisor were sent by her then I certainly think her credibility needs to be questioned just like anyone else who may have done the same thing as her should be. She should then also be investigated by the news media before they automatically believe her and print her articles. If they do not, then they are being irresponsible as a news organization and are printing her story for sensationalism purposes to promote readership rather than because it might be true.
If as you say, someone made this up, which I think is highly unlikely and even irresponsible for you to say without proof, this person would have to be an idiot because he/she would be asking for a lawsuit from a police officer and his dept.
If the emails from the police officer and the mother are accurate, then they show what she may really be like and that she is capable of antagonizing the father and the others mentioned in the other posts. This would mean that she incited the situation and brought on the angry responses from them herself. If someone falsely accused me of something publicly, I would most certainly respond and possibly take legal action as I am sure you would. I do not think any mature, responsible adult would let something like that go by without responding in some way, do you ?.
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