Missing Daughter Shows up in Internet Porn, Family Uses YouTube...

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A Nevada mother turns to YouTube to locate her missing daughter. Police and federal agents are looking for convicted pedophile William Matthew Smolich and Angela Finger.
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Unless you have children of your own, you cannot even begin to understand how these people feel. They love their child. Their child was literally tricked by this man. She was tricked, then led to a life that she probably would have never done otherwise. Would your parents try to find you if you were in this young ladys shoes? Would you try to find your daughter? I am 53 years old. I had a daughter who met a man online 5 years ago. Turns out he was wanted for robbery. They said he was non-violent. Today, my daughter is buried in massachusettes by where she was born because I listened to everyone else and did nothing. To this girls mother I say: dont listen to anyone, they are not you. do what your heart tells you to. Do what it takes so your daughter will be happy, healthy and safe. She was 22 I read when she disappeared, while that is legally an adult, it doesn't mean she isn't still a child. My daughter would be 28 Friday. I don't get a second chance. Good luck to you, and I will be praying for Angela's safe return. Jess
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« Reply #7 on Jan 31, 2008, 6:05am »
Hello furbin8r,
I think there is nothing you can do better than to find your daughter -- and that should be your focus. However, getting into arguments with the father of the accused doesn't help bring your daughter back. It's counter-productive.
If you want to make a new board, that's your option. Your old board will not be coming back.
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« Reply #8 on Jan 31, 2008, 12:41pm »
I picked fights with HIM????? Did you even read the stuff???
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« Reply #9 on Jan 31, 2008, 1:44pm »
Michelle please give it a rest and stop argueing with everyone. It isn't Proboards problem who your daughter runs off with so quit venting at everyone on here and act your age. Have some dignity woman.
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« Reply #10 on Jan 31, 2008, 5:37pm »
Yes, actually I did read the posts. You both started fights. Maybe he started the first one between you two, I don't know, but you definitely helped to continue it. How about you put it to rest and work on the issue at hand, finding your daughter?
Also, there were other TOS violations on the forum unrelated to the topic at hand.
Jan 31, 2008, 1:44pm, Rourke wrote:
Our support forum is not the place for bickering -- on either side. Post something like this again and you won't be welcome on this support board.
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« Reply #12 on Feb 1, 2008, 7:02am »
And what do you have to say about the verbally abusive pm's Furbin8r is sending to people? Like this one - "Asshole..mind your own damned business"? Is that acceptable behaviour?
Will they still be welcome on this support board?
I am not looking for a fight but you need to open your eyes Patrick, this woman has attacked just about everyone who has tried to help her & when you don't agree with her she starts sending you abusive pm's, but you don't seem to think that warrants a warning for some reason.
And Furbin8r - keep your foul mouth to yourself and stop sending me abusive messages you pathetic woman.
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« Reply #14 on Feb 1, 2008, 12:42pm »
and no, I did not send this person a PM!
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Furbin8R, You can lie to some people, but you can't lie to me about something like this. I checked their account and you did in fact send that PM. I can't believe the lies coming out of your own mouth. Go look for your daughter instead of spreading lies here. Consider this your last warning before you get banned from ProBoards as a whole.
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« Reply #16 on Feb 9, 2008, 5:10pm »
furbin: You have been insulting and rude. I am sorry your daughter is missing but, insults will not be taken on PBS. Patrick checked and you lied.
PBS, can not do anything else anymore.
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Page 4 The following is an excerpt from her admittiing to stealing the money and then justifying it and gloating about not getting caught.

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Posted: Feb 20, 2008 05:26 PM
Honestly, I dont see how that could happen. The bank is doing something wrong, as most if not all deposits go by either your SS number, or at least your account number. We deposited a check into our account for 240.01. The bank put it in as 2401.00. We never told them. If you read your bank contract, most have a clause that within 60 or 90 days if there is an error, you have to rectify it, or it is null and void. That is usually in their favor, as they like to think they dont make mistakes, you do. We left the money in there just in case, for the 60 days ours was. They never caught it, and we spent it. 5 years later, same bank account, never said a word, of course now, not a leg to stand on. I wonder what this guys bank policy is? If he has a good lawyer, and has a copy of the contract he signed when opening the account, he may be free and clear, and the bank may have to eat it, then again, Im sure for that much money, there is a loophole somewhere. I do think the bank is somewhat culpible for negligence in any case. Who does the deposits there? Daffy Duck???
Michele

Chicago Jake on Feb 20, 2008 06:10 PM
Michele, I can't agree with this at all. That's called stealing.

furbin8r
Posted: Feb 20, 2008 at 10:35 PM
Not stealing, if it had been the other way around, and I didnt notice they would have kept it. I know people it has happened to. That not with standing, I left it for the time THEY alloted, its not up to me to do their job, its up to them. If I am short, I have to bring it to their attention, they dont go out of their way to bring it to mine, I simply returned the favor.
Michele

Edited by furbin8r on Feb 20, 2008 at 10:38 PM
edited to say: They have the 60 or 90 day rule for a reason. In Las Vegas (where it happened) if a casino, who is depositing millions a day, and come up 2000-3000 short or more, may not notice it for at least that long, and the bank gets to keep it. Dont think for a minute they dont. It just so happens on that day, someone made an error in my favor, and I smiled while I spent it. I did comply with their rules, and gave them their 60 days to find it. cant help they didnt!:)
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We all know it is Smolich's dad..theres some credibilty! Why try to discredit or whatever a mother looking for her daughter. Of course youd like to believe it your way, its YOUR son who is the wanted felon here, and to make it seem like Angela isnt in danger may soothe your conscience, but, people still hate you, and know you are a liar, and the father of a wanted felon pedophile.
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Smolich's father is a piece of work. He uses assumed names, and attacks e veryone he can, because his son is a wanted pedophile who has my daughter. He doesnt want them found, and has stated numerous times on the internet, that he wouldnt turn him in if he knew where he was. if it were my son who was wanted, I would turn him in, and beg forgiveness from everyone my son has caused undue grief for. That is what a normal person would do. I am assuming here, that we are a few pieces of chicken short of a picnic here. who would get on the internet, when so many people are trying to help find a missing daughter, and attack their character? Over things that happened 20 years ago? 2 years have been spent looking for our daughter. It could be likely Smolich has brainwashed her so much that she believes all his lies, and doesnt want to see us. I would like to be prepared for that, but, how can I truly be? Here is a daughter that did things with me, gabbed on the phone about her workday, asked my opinions, and went shopping with me. Here is a daughter that always said "I love you to me" and would call me when she was at the grocery store getting advice on what to make her boyfriend, Joseph for dinner, and staying on the phone until we picked out all the ingredients. Here is a daughter that flew to houston when I lived there, to stay a week, just soaking the sun and thrift storing with me. We had a lot in common, and enjoyed being together. She loved her family with all her heart, I have no less that 50 homemade cards for every occasion, for us. I have letters, and postcards, and gifts, and just little I love you notes. If she is mad at all of us, it is Smolich's doing..he is smoothe. He tried to do it to another girl, I have talked to her, I know how he operates. he cannot have full control if the girl has family ties. He told my daughter, jen, that he "approved" of her, so Angela can talk to her. This was THE FIRST week they started going out, and 6 days after he proposed (he proposed the very FIRST day!!!). Many of you do not know Angela, many do, many are worried for her, and many met Bill Smolich and got bad vibes same as I did. I have heard from co workers about him when he worked at Sun. They got in contact with me, and told me what he was like, even back then. His father seems to think everyone is at fault..everyone except him. We should all feel sorry for his son, whom MY DAUGHTER led astray! His son is a 40 year old man, my daughter is a 24 year old woman, who was 22 when she met him. How can that compare? he knew I didnt like him, that why he kissed up to me, and bought me things, and took us to dinner..he was scared. When I wouldnt compromise my beliefs, and started checking on him (he was still using a fake name, however) he got more scared, and left with her. No one can change the facts. Not Bills dad, not me, no one. Bill Smolich is still wanted pedophile scum, among other atrocities he is wanted for, and he has my daughter, my daughter whom I love dearly, and will look for as long as I have to in spite of Bill Smolichs fathers online tirades. he is not a victim here, he is the source of the problem, and he doesnt know when to quit!
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How can you say or assume that "We all know it is Smolich's dad ?" as you put it. Sounds like Obama saying he sat in the hate-filled anti-American church for 20 years and did not know what was going on. Since Mrs. Fingers's posts are avilable by Googling them I checked and these posts by Mrs. Finger are out on the web just like this article says. She does not paint a very nice picture of herself by posting these kinds of angry, hateful, accusatory posts. Just by what I saw by some of her posts, she verbally attacked and accused a number of people; not just the father, but anyone on that site who did not agree with her. It is one thing to try to find your daughter (and I hope you do) but to make assumptions or accusations and attack people because they do not agree with you whether it is his father or the other people on the Proboards site is not right either. I was also disturbed by your statement of keeping over $2,000 and then laughing about it when you spent it. Don't you think you should have turned it in ?

Since both of your replies come from the same town in Oregon, one must assume that it is Mrs Finger or a member of her family responsding via both of them and accusing the father of posting the articles. Her posts are readily available on the internet for anyone to Google and see (I did)and copy. Any one of the individuals Mrs. Finger has attacked and had arguements with on that site could have posted them. I did not see any recent posts from Mr. Smolich's father at all. A number of them seemed very upset in their posts especially about her lying about sending out abusive PM's.

How can you make accusations against people that you have no way of knowing whether or not they are true ?. Could it be that you are just so hateful and upset over the fact that your daughter is with a pedophile (possibly by choice because apparently she was not forced to go) that you are taking it out on the father and the others
on the proboards site out of frustration ? Just a thought. I hope you find your daughter soon and that all ends well.

PS - Have you talked to anyone about your anger issues ?(a priest, pastor, counselor, it might help). Good Luck
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It IS Smolich, and so were the proboard posts. The boards were erased with his tirades over the last few months, but, it is him, his style, the way he writes, and HIS hate. He was responded to as the way he gives. He can pretend to be anyone, most that know him, and have seen his work, know it is him. As for the 2000 dollars, I tried to google it and couldnt..thatnotwithstanding, it has absolutely nothing to do with a missing daughter. Unless you have seen it all, from the begining a year ago, and all Smolich has written, you can never understand.
I do wish you well..it is nice to know the subject has changed from a missing daughter to an ass online who has to post everywhere, and get defended.
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By the way...Why does it matter whether money is turned in or not, or whether She got mad at a few people that she thinks are Smolich's father? It most likely is. She is ONLY trying to find her missing daughter, not be judged by people who know nothing about the case, or about Smolich's father. This case goes Way deep, there are MANY players and all can tell you Angela is probably in danger with this guy, his father is pathetic, and you should do your homework. IF it were my child, I would be bitter and pissed off too. Obviously, you havent been privvy to the drivel Smolich's father has written to her..and everyone in the past. A person can only take so much. I would say anyone that has seen his work can tell it is him, if you cant, you havent seen his work. Also, you are only mentioning a few things you have seen that are taken out of context, and not a whole other slew of things she has written. She is concerned about her child, and is doing everything in her power to find her. I would do the same, and so would most parents..and when a parent can openly say he wouldnt turn in his pedophile son, and has flamed everyone on the planet almost for saying his son should be locked up, there are a few screws loose somewhere.

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do not like what is said here - don't read it or better yet get your bean pickin lazy ass to Mexico Poncho !

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You too PUNK and you are the worst part that ran down your momma's leg.

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You too PUNK and you are the worst part that ran down your momma's leg.
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No Dickhead - this is my first post on this website, I actually was just google surfing when it brought me to this site. I saw your assine post. What the hell do you care what people post on here, if you do not like it - don't log on to it. As far as child molestation, you brought it up so you must be the expert.
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Dear Smolich Hater, I have to do this in several parts because I got so wordy, sorry. I have been out of town or I would have responded to your queries to me sooner.

Part 1

I am sorry you have so much hate in your heart but it may be directed at the wrong person(s). I can sympathize with the mother for her concern. I have worked within various factions of the legal community for over 25 years and we are only allowed to deal with facts that have been proven to be true. The facts as I see them here are that you and the mother are making statements because of your opinions, rumor or your emotional involvement or as is said in the legal community with “hearsay evidence.” That, in generic terms, is evidence which is based not on a witness's personal knowledge or has been proven to be true but evidence that is based on another person’s statement with the caveat that the person may not be telling the truth because they were not on scene to see it or hear it or may have reason to fabricate or embellish the statement.
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From what you both have posted, neither you nor the mother actually know that the father is sending out any internet posts; you just think or assume he is. However, the mother’s own posted statements certainly are hostile and inflammatory. The angry replies from individuals that she has attacked or offended are also available for all to see. I have not seen anything from the father posted by anyone recently to prove that he has done what you are accusing him of doing; that of posting said internet comments. All an objective person like myself or anyone else who reads these articles can do is believe what the facts are. The facts that I have seen in the posts regarding the mother do give cause to doubt her credibility because:
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1. She admitted that she kept money from a bank error and then laughed when she spent it.(Her statements, not mine. One of the replies to her admission called it stealing and she disagreed and said it was not technically stealing. How can she or anyone justify stealing in any form?)
2. Mr. Klinger posted that he proved that she lied about sending an abusive PM when he checked it out on the site.(His comments not mine. How can she or anyone anyone justify lying?)
3. She also posted angry attacks on Mr. Klinger, Mr. Rourke, the Boulder Sheriff's deputy, his supervisor and others allegedly because they did not agree with her and she used foul, vulgar language when doing so.(Their comments, not mine)
4. Her own postings, as well as theirs, with times and dates are listed to verify that they were her postings
Just by reading the few posts that were listed does indicate that she does seem to have a quick temper and responds to rebuttal arguments in an inflammatory manner by making accusations and assumptions that she just does not know to be true and apparently can not prove. That just is not done nor tolerated in a legal sense as it can lead to libel or slander charges with punitive damages. I, for one, would never accuse someone of something that was not true, especially in writing, it is just not very smart. I can understand that you and she may be angry and frustrated but you may actually be venting your anger at and accusing the wrong person. Any one that she has offended, attacked or alienated by her postings could have easily copied, pasted and posted them from a Google search of that site and the father could be innocent of your accusations. He may have posted others earlier to refute other things she may said, I do not know because I wasn’t privy to those posts. There just is no proof as to who placed the latest postings in question.
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You also said in your last post “By the way...Why does it matter whether money is turned in or not, or whether She got mad at a few people that she thinks are Smolich's father?”. It does matter because you and her are asking the readers to automatically believe you and we do not know you any more than we know the father or Mr. Klinger or any of the other responders. When you make accusations or assumptions about people that you can not prove about people and purposely antagonize people the way you both have and post them publicly on the internet, it does not come across very well and makes you look like the aggressor. That is also a double standard. And stealing is stealing no matter how you define it.
You also mentioned something about her comments being taken out of context. How could they be taken out of context ? She wrote them and posted them and people read them just as she posted them. How do you justify taking out of context the fact that she admitted to stealing and Mr. Klinger said he proved that she lied ?
She seems to have a lot of hate for the father and blames him for the son's actions. That is understandable but also is an invalid conclusion unless you are also going to blame the mother for raising an internet model and porno star and that makes no sense either. She also seems to be implying that her daughter is being held against her will. If she has no proof, legally she is wrong and could be opening herself up to possible legal action depending on the depth of her accusations. Parents are not responsible for their adult children, the father for his son or the mother for her daughter in this case. Apparently both children are both over 21.
She needs to let go of that hate and focus on contacting her daughter as all of that anger is not healthy. Unfortunately the fact also remains that it may be her daughter who does not want to come home or contact her for whatever reason.
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I do not know about any attacks from the mother on the father but the posts that I did see from her towards other individuals are disturbing and do raise some credibility issues about her in my mind and probably in the minds of others. She does not seem to want to take any responsibility for her statements but always seems to come back with an argument and takes it out on others. I am just telling you what I see in her own posts and the replies to her posts from the people she has had verbal confrontations with. If you look at what is available, you can only come to the same conclusion as I have. People do have a right to disagree with each other without getting criticized, unjustly accused or attacked verbally. How can I or anyone else come to any other conclusion than to be suspicious of her credibility after what she has posted ? It is also presumptuous and morally and legally wrong to automatically blame the father or anyone else just because you think they posted something.
I also have to ask the obvious question - do you or the mother personally know the father or any of the people she may have offended? If not, then you are also being aggressively assumptive and may be aggravating the situation by making accusations that may not be true or are based on rumor or fabrication. What other individuals tell you is also biased and legally inadmissible because if they did not personally hear what an individual said or were not present at the time an incident occurred, the information they provide you with is considered hearsay because it could be rumor or biased and is not accurate information. I can not tell you how many times we see in the legal community that an ex-spouse or ex-in-law or ex-friend has made an untruthful, hateful or embellished accusation just to get back at someone. Emotions cause people to do many strange things and many, many of them regret it later because of punitive damages awarded against them for libel or slander or are incarcerated for perjury.
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I am sure that the father did not purposely raise his son to be a pedophile any more than the mother raised her daughter to be an internet model and porno star as is being broadcast on the internet. Her daughter and boyfriend or husband, whichever it is, are both adults and are in control of their own lives. I have adult children of my own and am not proud of nor do I agree with everything they have done or are doing. Unfortunately as young adults we all make some dumb decisions but hopefully we and they will learn from those decisions.
I hope she finds her daughter but being antagonistic or accusatory in her posts towards anyone is not going to solve anything. It is counterproductive and inflammatory because the accusations and statements in her postings make her the aggressor in a fight that only she seems to be fighting by accusing someone that may not even be guilty of what she is accusing him of. Since there are no apparent recent posts from the father, one would have to assume that he has moved on, so should she.
I can see why she might be worried or angry and frustrated because her daughter has not contacted her but accusing people of things that you can not prove or because they disagree with you or because you are angry at them or that you may have fabricated is just plain wrong and may be illegal.
I am not trying to defend anyone, and I especially do not condone what her boyfriend or husband is charged with but my replies are to yours and her comments, not the boyfriend issue. I am sorry to be rambling here but I just wanted to make sure that I responded to all of your thoughts and questions to me regarding this subject. I have tried to do so in an objective, logical, fair and unbiased manner based on my involvement in dealing with people and our legal system. I am only pointing out that the postings you make about these issues appear to be based on emotion and/or assumption or rumor but apparently can not be proven, therefore your conclusions are also assumptive and flawed.

Good Luck, my thoughts are with all of those affected

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