Council lets oil companies off hook d...

Council lets oil companies off hook despite harsh words

There are 27 comments on the Farmington Daily Times story from Sep 9, 2009, titled Council lets oil companies off hook despite harsh words. In it, Farmington Daily Times reports that:

FARMINGTON ECity councilors, arguing late into Tuesday night's meeting, blasted two oil and gas companies accused of commissioning construction of an illegal fence that a man contends blocked access to his property.

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Los Alamos, NM

#1 Sep 10, 2009
The city council is ridiculous. Why not make an example out of these oil companies and the fence company ? Maybe then others will think twice before doing something illegal. Otherwise, it will be business as usual and everyone will say "well they didn't have to follow the rules so why do we" . Again big business uses their muscle in getting around the law !!!!!
Confused

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Sep 10, 2009
It looks as if fences do not make good neighbors. It was not that long ago that that this very paper reported the death of a young child that was playing on oil field equipment. At that time public outcry was for the oil companies to do more to enhances safety around the equipment on there locations. They responded by putting fences around there locations. Make up your minds people……..
just me

Bloomington, IL

#3 Sep 10, 2009
I agree completely with confused...come on people! Thou I do have to say they should have obtained a permit.
two one two

United States

#4 Sep 10, 2009
two: councilors showed some guts. one: mayor lost his. two: are gutless wonders who don't have a single original idea and need to resign immediately. Thank-you Ms. Fischer and Mr. Sandel for trying to " do the right thing." Your hard work and devotion to the community are noticed by many citizens.
Arfff

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Sep 10, 2009
He who has the money makes the rules, or breaks them..
Jed Clampett

United States

#6 Sep 10, 2009
Once again ol' Georgie Boy at it again. This time belittleing a collegue in a public meeting. Telling Sandel he needed to becareful.
As much as I hate to say it I have to side with Sandel. Sharpe has a lot of gall to tell somebody to becareful after his lat tirade. He approached this oil and gas contoversy much the like Merrion well fiasco in Westland Park in a residential area.
I wonder how much business Merrion was at stake to lose if the Council went against big oil? I wonder how that would have effected Georges pocket and his lavish lifeswtyle?
I guess George figured this was going to create a contrversy so he wrote another letter to the editor in the DT praising the Fire Department. If my memory serves me correct he used the same ploy after his last tirade condemning the news about criticizing the educational ranking of area schools.
And this is the same council who believes the PD will do an excellent job investigating the FD. I know federal monies were involved in some of the construction of the new fire station which means the Feds should be investigatiing but Mayes wants it internal so its findings do not have to me made public. Go figure.
AnimalRights

Albuquerque, NM

#7 Sep 10, 2009
Lehmers' have basic animal rights. All they needed to do is not get an attorney involved, and visit themselves directly with the gas companies - again Standley voted, without reading the facts, then rationalizes his vote after creating a mess. Fire Fire Fire Bill Standley
C Lee Nickel

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Sep 10, 2009
Why should this have even been a council issue? Good grief! Maybe they have too much time on their hands.

If the fence blocked someone's property access, move the dang fence so the landowner can get to the property, while at the same time keep people off the equipment. It's pretty simple.

Keeping kids off the equipment is a life or death matter, so the fence IS important.
What the French Toast

Phoenix, AZ

#9 Sep 10, 2009
C Lee Nickel wrote:
Why should this have even been a council issue? Good grief! Maybe they have too much time on their hands.
If the fence blocked someone's property access, move the dang fence so the landowner can get to the property, while at the same time keep people off the equipment. It's pretty simple.
Keeping kids off the equipment is a life or death matter, so the fence IS important.
Best post on this subject yet.
Justice For All

San Antonio, TX

#10 Sep 10, 2009
I fir one know the next time I get a ticket in Farmington I'm going to the City Council for a reprieve and if I don't get it I'm going to the Mayor. Looks like all violators get two free passes. Hey it works for the big guys so it should work for the working class. Nice message Mr. Mayor, Dan. and George.
Harvester Of Sorrow

Denver, CO

#11 Sep 10, 2009
C Lee Nickel wrote:
Why should this have even been a council issue? Good grief! Maybe they have too much time on their hands.
If the fence blocked someone's property access, move the dang fence so the landowner can get to the property, while at the same time keep people off the equipment. It's pretty simple.
Keeping kids off the equipment is a life or death matter, so the fence IS important.
Due to city ordinance violations.
Justice For All

San Antonio, TX

#12 Sep 10, 2009
Harvester Of Sorrow wrote:
<quoted text>Due to city ordinance violations.
Ordinance violations which means citations should have been issued and went through the judicial process. But that wouldve resulted in the same result NOTHING. Once again a deviation from normal protocol. SNAFU
Wizard

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Sep 10, 2009
Why do you people always defend some of these issues with the most pedantic arguments???

DUHHH - a fence is important for safety; thank you for reminding us of this fact, geniuses.

DUHHH - they VIOLATED ordinances and laws in their reconstruction of the fence and their trespass onto another person's land.

No one SAID to tear down the fence; they just said to move it. No one SAID the well should be made unsafe; on the other hand, if it absolutely cannot be operated safely with a fence placed where it should be, the companies should try to either a.) buy the land they need to expand it, or b.) shut down the well site.

*****

I sure would like to live next to some of you. I'll just reconstruct my fence next to your house and move it another 5-10ft onto your property - ha ha, instant property value increase!

Apparently some of YOU won't bother to call the city, because you think you'll just "work it out" with me... after all you obviously have the time, money, and can afford the incovenience of what it would take to TRY
and get me to move it back.

And before some r-tard start suggesting physical violence against me, let me remind you that it is a MUCH more serious crime than a little fence placement!

*****

Obviously the point is that the rights of the landowners are what is at stake here. By letting these companies off the hook the city has essentially said that the only property rights YOU have are the ones you are willng to actively and indefinitely fight for with your own money...

The law isn't relevant until YOU sue the violator. Oh wait, apparently the law doesn't count then, either.
Harvester Of Sorrow

Denver, CO

#14 Sep 10, 2009
Justice For All wrote:
<quoted text> Ordinance violations which means citations should have been issued and went through the judicial process. But that wouldve resulted in the same result NOTHING. Once again a deviation from normal protocol. SNAFU
And you are correct. Just don't know what SNAFU means.
REB

Albuquerque, NM

#15 Sep 10, 2009
3 industry-driven Republicans and 2-almost liberal Democrats vote on this issue is a lesson for everyone. Democrats (Fisher and Sandel) cited with the people that owned the surface property for 50 years; and the Republicans (Major, Darnell, and Sharpe voted for the industry although they illegally settled their wells without going through the permitting process.
First rule of the Jungle

United States

#16 Sep 10, 2009
Keeping kids off the equipment is a life or death issue.

So what kind of monster allows wells/drilling anywhere near houses, schools, or parks?
C Lee Nickel

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Sep 10, 2009
First rule of the Jungle wrote:
Keeping kids off the equipment is a life or death issue.
So what kind of monster allows wells/drilling anywhere near houses, schools, or parks?
Often the houses, schools, or parks are put in long after the well is drilled, so what kind of monsters allow homes, schools, or parks to be put in next to active well sites?
Harvester Of Sorrow

Denver, CO

#18 Sep 10, 2009
C Lee Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
Often the houses, schools, or parks are put in long after the well is drilled, so what kind of monsters allow homes, schools, or parks to be put in next to active well sites?
That's George Sharpe and Merrion's specialty.
city boy

Albuquerque, NM

#19 Sep 10, 2009
What kind of decision does one expect,in San Juan County the Gas Companies run the City Councils and shaft the homeowner, thats where the mony comes from to close eyes (WHAT RULES just pay me)
11 4 08 sad day N history

Fort Worth, TX

#21 Sep 10, 2009
C Lee Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
Often the houses, schools, or parks are put in long after the well is drilled, so what kind of monsters allow homes, schools, or parks to be put in next to active well sites?
You're wrong.

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