fact vs reality

Since: May 13

Stoney Creek, Canada

#1 May 5, 2013
DISCLAIMER!! These are my personal opinions & are not intended to offend anyone.

FACT
1 Some people will go bankrupt during this lockout.
2 USS swings a bigger stick than the unions.
3 The good ole days of Stelco are GONE.

REALITY
1 Whatever USS wants they WILL get (later rather than sooner)
2 I f you don't like it leave.(Good luck finding a job that pays what they do, for the amount of work actually done during a shift)
3 The union has 0 barganing power ( re Fact #3)

The sooner the executive commitee realises this the better off people will be, this is the second fight they are going to lose. The first being the last lockout, USS wanted the indexing,they got it. At a cost of what to the average worker, my guess would be approx $ 4K a month x 8 +$32K (to stay a float)=$64K.

BTW I am barganing unit NOT salary.
I welcome any constructive replies.
reality two

London, Canada

#2 May 5, 2013
Good post hopefully the replies are mature and constructive without name calling and I would encourage all posters to ignore and not reply!You are right in all of your points,8782 and 1005 have zero bargaining power.USS can and will do what they want and they have proven it over and over in the last contracts with both locals.By voting no on the contract this has helped USS bottom line even more with the hold on the re brick that was scheduled.I'm not sure why 8782 is trying to play hardball with USS,they some how think they can?
Jon

Toronto, Canada

#3 May 5, 2013
reality two wrote:
Good post hopefully the replies are mature and constructive without name calling and I would encourage all posters to ignore and not reply!You are right in all of your points,8782 and 1005 have zero bargaining power.USS can and will do what they want and they have proven it over and over in the last contracts with both locals.By voting no on the contract this has helped USS bottom line even more with the hold on the re brick that was scheduled.I'm not sure why 8782 is trying to play hardball with USS,they some how think they can?
We have no bargaining power and never will. We need to get in touch with the company and tell them that we'll ratify the last offer and get back to work. Why waste all our wages trying to fight a battle that can't be won.

Since: May 13

Stoney Creek, Canada

#4 May 5, 2013
Jon wrote:
<quoted text>We have no bargaining power and never will. We need to get in touch with the company and tell them that we'll ratify the last offer and get back to work. Why waste all our wages trying to fight a battle that can't be won.
I hear you with that, will it happen anytime soon? again just my opinion is NO. The union will drag it out to try & save face just as they did with the last lockout, even then when they do get back to them, it will be same offer we just turned down or one that's even worse.
Only when people are really hurting will the union address the situation, unless a motion is put on the floor & seconded at a meeting.
I have been in a union all my working life, I have never seen such a narrow minded, blinkered approach to contract negotiations. I can picture it now.(A room with a table, in walks thousands of dollars worth of suits, 10's of thousands of Rolex watches USS people. In walks Fergi, Jean Jacket & Denim shirt. Talbot, somewhat smartly dressed. Graham, sweat pants & 'T' shirt.)
USS have a whole army of lawyers & negotiators just waiting to rip people apart.
reality two

London, Canada

#5 May 5, 2013
this union needs to look at what happened to the big three in Canada and in the US.Look what they gave up two tier wages that are permanent in the US plants and six years in Canadian plants were the company wants it permanent.Look at Oshawa were they are going to lose the Camaro to a plant in Michigan that has two tier workers that are permanent.Cami in Ingersol is a ticking time bomb GM has a plant in Spring Hill TN were the wagers are lower and GM is building a plant in Mexico that will be ready for production in less than 2 years.Yet 8782 bargaining committee thinks they can squeeze USS for a better deal?
abc

Hamilton, Canada

#6 May 6, 2013
I agree with your comments, the problem is this is fergies last contract and he want s to go out like he won, I will consider him a winner if he gets us back to work, sooner than later. For all of us that voted yes and the ones that wish they would have, we need to voice our opinion when we see fergie.
lew boy

Port Dover, Canada

#7 May 6, 2013
abc wrote:
I agree with your comments, the problem is this is fergies last contract and he want s to go out like he won, I will consider him a winner if he gets us back to work, sooner than later. For all of us that voted yes and the ones that wish they would have, we need to voice our opinion when we see fergie.
You just don't get it, you voiced your opinion when you voted yes on the contract offer but you lost that vote so now you have to live with it until uss wants to negotiate, the union is waiting for their call , the union has stated many time that they want to be back at the table . it is uss preventing that from happening.

Since: May 13

Stoney Creek, Canada

#8 May 6, 2013
lew boy wrote:
<quoted text> You just don't get it, you voiced your opinion when you voted yes on the contract offer but you lost that vote so now you have to live with it until uss wants to negotiate, the union is waiting for their call , the union has stated many time that they want to be back at the table . it is uss preventing that from happening.
I do get it, USS has done negotiating that was their final offer. It seems other people don't get it. They some how think a better offer will be put on the table by USS, like I stated earlier it happened in the last lockout, they wanted the inedxing ( they GOT IT). Oh I forgot we got a signing bonus.

I'd like to hear why anybody thinks they will come back to the table? If that was gonna happen wouldn't they have done that before the lockout?
The only way we will get back is if we take the offer they presented, again just my opinion.

Since: May 13

Stoney Creek, Canada

#9 May 6, 2013
Oops my apologies lewboy, your post was directed at abc.

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