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Carytown Meeting Regarding Big Box Store - wtvr

There are 31 comments on the WTVR story from Aug 16, 2010, titled Carytown Meeting Regarding Big Box Store - wtvr. In it, WTVR reports that:

Members of the Carytown Merchants Association held a closed-door meeting Monday night at St.

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North Garden, VA

#21 Aug 18, 2010
Fun Police wrote:
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But anger and name-calling lets me easily overcompensate for my tiny wang. It's true. 5-year-olds look better in a Speedo.
You just made my case. Its really sad when someone has to live life like this. I feel sorry for you.
Fun Police

Washington, DC

#22 Aug 18, 2010
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You just made my case. Its really sad when someone has to live life like this. I feel sorry for you.
Don't feel sorry for me. Save your "sorry" for the local business owners who get run out of town because the Big Boxes come in to help make their stock price rise by 1/10th of a percent, no matter what it cost.

And my life isn't sad at all. My days are filled with joy and happiness and love and puppies and my ice cream truck route and innocent children/eldery men to molest.

Even though your mother made a horrible mistake oh-so-many years ago when she decided to not fall down that stairwell lined with coat hangers, I still love you, Mike. I really do.
Steve S

Richmond, VA

#23 Aug 19, 2010
I live in the Museum District and work in Carytown - walk to work!

First, I am appalled at the name calling in these comments. Let's deal with facts, not prejudices, please!

While I would love a Whole Foods type of store the traffic in the area is already a problem. The road situation would need to be addressed before anything that would drive that much traffic to the area is approved.

Petersburg, VA

#24 Aug 19, 2010
I would be so happy if I never had to drive out to Short Pump ever again. While I'm not crazy about Whole Foods, I think it would be nice to have a store that has just about everything I need in one place. For a chain they make a good effort to sell local produce and have pretty high standards when it comes to the freshness of the foods sold. Plus, competition is always great in a city-it helps keep prices down. Not to mention the jobs that will come with the store.
Richmond needs to embrace these changes. Anyone who has lived in a bigger city and enjoyed it knows that despite some inconveniences (traffic, noise, bright lights) a growing and bustling city has a wealth to offer it's citizens. This small change is no exception.

United States

#25 Aug 25, 2010
Whole Foods Fan wrote:
P.S. Ellwood does not have good produce lately. The apples are a disgrace. And the whole wheat organic pasta at Whole Foods is about half of what Ellwood or Kroger charges.
Ellwood's may not be able to charge the cheaper cost due to their size vs. WF's size. Price is relative. I accept the fact that I'm going to pay more at a small locally-owned place sometimes, and I think that the benefit outweighs the cost. Yes, I could get what I want for cheaper, but at what cost (not necessarily monetary -- I'm talking consequence-wise)?(No good product lately? Those heirloom tomatoes I've been picking up have been delightful.)

Ultimately, I don't think what WF can charge vs. what Ellwood's charges for produce should really be that big of a deal-breaker. There are bigger issues, imo, at stake.

United States

#26 Aug 25, 2010
Whole Foods is still technically all speculation. For those who are for a Whole Foods in Carytown...what if this turned out to be either a bait-and-switch or simple speculating mistake, and it DID turn into a Wal-Mart? I wouldn't be too swift to support a Whole Foods just because it's Whole Foods, since it's not certain that it WILL be Whole Foods.

I say lend your support to one side or the other based on the other issues, such as traffic and homes facing the building, as those will be issues regardless of whether it's a WF or Wal-Mart.

Charlotte, NC

#27 Aug 31, 2010
I Would love a Whole Foods, I went into Kroger and Martins the other day and in and the produce sections were pathetic I just wanted 4 organic grapefruits but at both places they were ooshy and over priced. Also A Whole Foods will provide jobs, will allow other buisnesses to thrive, would contribute to the local events, Watermelon, and strawberry festival. And the majority of people who live near there are the type of people whole foods aims for. A Target would kill some of the business, so would a walmart. But A whole foods is a wonderful compromise and they are willing to listen to the local demo graphic and usually have low impact bulbs to minimize light pollution in their lots anyway.

Richmond, VA

#28 Aug 31, 2010
Don't "Big Box" My Carytown...

Understanding that this campaign was initiated by the same employer who has attempted to build his own empire of chains, and infiltrate neighborhoods in cities very far from the intersection of Ellwood and Thompson, makes this campaign extremely laughable.

It makes sense that Ellwood Thompson's would look to the the Carytown Merchant's Association, a coalition of capitalist with a lowercase "c", for allies in their struggle against a "big box" development. This, after all, is one of the fundamental roles of a merchants association. The association consists of employers united under a single organization to protect the autonomy of their carefully built community. Ironically, no matter how progressive some of these "small businesses" may think they are, they would all agree that a similar union of their respective employee's would be bad for their personal interests, and somehow the community would be at a loss if a business failed because of it. What? Allow workers to have rights in the workplace? That's crazy talk Virginia!

However, for employee's of such establishments, especially Ellwood Thompon's, the rumor of a Whole Food's moving into this development sends our minds racing with possibilities! Those possibilities include, but are not limited to, employment there with the promise (for whatever that's worth) of a living wage, profit/gain sharing, regular performance reviews and subsequent raises, consistent hours, and perhaps a chance to actually have a say in how the store operates (highly unlikely). I'm just sayin'!

See, the question here essentially lies with which capitalist venture should we choose to be more loyal to? Who is the lesser evil? I guess it would all depend on if Whole Foods would hire me or not... right? Of course the ultimate work environment would be that of a worker run and owned grocery store, how much more local and community oriented can you get than that? Maybe that'll be what is born from the ashes of Ellwood Thompson's, something that is truly representative of the "needs" and "wants" of the community it operates in, one that will be responsive and respectful to both the workers and it's community.

The "Don't Big Box My Carytown!" campaign calls for residents in the area to reject this "big box" retail development, but if you were to hold large chains like Whole Food's next to "small businesses" such as Ellwood Thompson's, you will see little difference in their philosophies as a business. They both want to expand. They both are anti-union. They both cater to trends in order to maximize their social capital which in turn translates to economic capital. They both wish to fool you into thinking that they are first altruist and capitalist ventures second. They fool you into thinking that by supporting them, you are supporting the community.

The reality is, by shopping at Ellwood Thompson's, you are simply supporting the exploitation of those who work there and sometimes that of the workers of whom actually produced the products you've bought. It's a vicious vicious cycle, but you the customer, community member, resident, human being, are the end of the line. Demand more from your community, be more critical, and fight for social justice everywhere and not only with your wallets!

We are the expendable. We are the majority. We will not go quietly.

Concord, CA

#29 Sep 2, 2010
why don't we wait for the developers to present their approved plans before pouncing. Does anyone actually think the Verizon building is beautiful anyways? Just maybe we'll be presented with a WIN-WIN for everyone.

Richmond, VA

#30 Sep 2, 2010
Ellwood Thompson's has a really bad rat problem. Good news is they're all LOCAL rats! Hooray!

Richmond, VA

#31 Oct 11, 2010
Would everyone be this up in arms if it were a GAP rumored to be the Verizon tenant? Or a movie theater? Methinks not.

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